So yeah, just had a game with singed and I was top vs a hecarim. And holy shit do I counter him hard, I was able to constantly outfarm him, he did fuck all damage since I went boots first and turned them into an early ninja tabi, and what little sustain he got from the W was last from the fact he had to run though my poison to get CS. He ended up building mainly MR, but he ended up not being able to do any damage to me at all. And when you think about it, Singed's skills counter him perfectly: hecarim has no poke so he can't outrange me, his sustain is lost from my poison and I can farm faster with my Q than he can with his W+Q. Whenever he charges me I just fling him, and my W cuts down his bonus AD by a ton. And he can't take advantage of his massive movespeed to get away since I can just ult and ghost.

 

For shitz and giggles, take GP mid. Use parley only to hit the enemy champ.

Pew pew 1 bar of HP every 7s.

 

I want to learn a support and I have been thinking about Karma. Opinion?

 

Karma's not a real support until late-game. She requires farm.

 

Then that's out. Back to Janna.

 

Just wanted to reaffrim that Blitzstar, when successful, is the most hilarious bot lane combo. Who needs cs when you can farm champions?

After getting a few kills, we stacked up on triple dorans and boots of mobility, pushed our lane then turned into a roaming gank force. You can almost feel the rage as people are perma-cc'ed. Fun stuff.

 

Note to self: Assume all Kennens do shit-all for damage since they always rush WotA first instead of just leaving Hextech and moving on.

 

I only rushed WOTA cause I was behind and needed sustain for farm. I got camped in the beginning by their jungler so I was behind. And when Hextech is built, it's only 900 gold for that extra 40 ap and 8% spell vamp (aura too for team fights). But w/e.

If you think Blitzcrank Alistar is strong, try out J4 and Alistar. That stuff is op.

 

The money that you can funnel towards a faster Rylai's or Death Cap.

It's a good item in and of itself, but its better rushed late-game, especially since all of one other person on our team had a non-AOE skill.

 

In 1000+ games. I have never, ever seen a j4 do really well. And the vast, vast majority I've seen have been terrible or useless.

Why is that?

 

Whenever I play Jarvan, I really struggle to balance damage and defence. Either I can do decent damage but die really quickly, or I can tank decently but can't deal any damage. I can't hit that sweet spot in the middle like I can with a Gangplank, Garen or Riven.

I assume he's like Lee Sin and has a bunch of tricks I'm missing that the pros use to increase his damage.

 

Hit them with the pointy end. I've heard it works >_>

 

The sound of J4's auto attack is one of the most satisfying in game, on par with the twack twack of Jax beating down on someone.

 

Lux's laser charging up is my favourite.

 

I have two Jarvan wins in my match history right now.
4-2-1 and 11-6-9.
You don't see him as often because he doesn't have sustain or mobility. His Q-E combo is great, but actually pretty slow for avoiding harass or anything. Since his damage is very bursty with Q+passive proc, he actually isn't that great at trading vs most top laners. Combined with his mediocre jungle clearing, he doesn't have a strong spot for a team.

People complain a lot about his W/Ult. His W is nonscaling mana intensive piece of shit that only slows by 35% at max rank, making it pretty buttfucking awful. His ult is countered by every other character in the game having a way out. But his Q+E combo is basically a malphite ult on an 8 second cd. Very strong character imo.

 

I main J4 in jungle-where the hell did J4 come from?- or top. If I have a choice, I will play him. I enjoy being an initiator, and that is where he really shines. He takes a smart team to make him work though, because you have to force lanes to blow their flash before he can ult, which is obnoxious. Otherwise, I've found he doesn't really need to trade top at all. You can get ranged CS with his Q and E seperately, and if you're really getting creamed, like every other melee attacker, you have to buy a Doran blade or two to up his damage. If you wait for triforce or whatever else your first item is, you may suffer badly. In fact, I've been thinking about trying top with philo->boots-> brutalizer then going for trinity. His Q will stack with regular ArPen, and the eventual upgrade helps his mobility and burst.

He is really kind of a weird champion, he is a mix of support and a Bruiser because he generally picks up gold/5 items but has decent output. Once he gets farmed, however, he can be a monster. He is very tanky with just one survivability item, and if you get FoN he can turn into a very aggressive assassin vs. Casters. It is very satisfying to tank Mage burst, then burst them back, and if they live, just kite them until your 20 HP regenerate a second and cds come up to do it again. Jarvan is built to harass, but his native MS is a little too slow to really let you do that. Similarly, his AD doesn't support him being a carry, so most people build him as a tank. Unfortunately, he doesn't punish you very well if you don't Target him, except that he will hit you once in a while for like, 8% of your life.

Of course, I've tried some crazy builds with him. His AS is pretty high, and even a moderate crit amount turns the first hit brutal. I wish he could afford to build speed3 boots and zeal to help his game, but you need the mres really badly. At least I do since I don't have an mres page. If Jarvan gets over 500 ms, he becomes very powerful. I've thought of triforce and the zeal upgrade, which makes him very deadly, but also prone to over extending. Triforce and FoN makes you fast, but you'll hit like a wet noodle except for your burst. When j have triforce and FoN I basically never die.

He ks very good in dominion though. He clears the waves with his combo, making it easy to farm before you B. Combine that with triforce and FoN, then an Atma and you can tower dive all day. I've found it is easier to increase Jarvan's damage with armor pen items than things that actually increase straight damage. 2x crit sword is terrible compared to last whisper, since you'll never by his crit very high. The availability of the +ms on that map mitigates your low mobility, and you can really fly with FoN TF and the buff there. He excels at surprising bot with a gank to take tower.

Overall, ms is what cripples Jarvan against a smart team. Even with his combo gap closer, it is either a choice to get close, or to crowd control, and the current game needs the CC. That, combined with no real need for initiators in the current meta, and no defining characteristics, it is hard to see him as viable. Good team mates will make or break an aggressive Jarvan. And if you aren't using Jarvan to punish players who aren't in the right position, there are better champs.

 

Abbreviations are generally used when the word in question is too long to say when you're going for speed.

Jarvan IV becomes J4 because two letters is way easier to type. And if you're talking to someone on skype, it becomes so much easier, because again, you're saying two letters instead of four syllables.

 

How many fucking times do I have to tell people to FOLLOW ME, the ONLY character on the entire fucking team with spammy hard CC and is the only tank, before people get a fucking clue?


You have FAILED your lane utter and completely. You have been useless all fucking game. You lose all your fucking privilege to think for yourself at that point about where you want to go.

 

I have no idea why you depended on an extremely high Zilean to do anything well that game but your raging at the rest of the team (Myself, Cookie and the Sona) was completely uncalled for.

Starting the game by bitching at the Sona for not having Flash? Seriously?

Bitching at me because I didn't always have 2 wards top? That you ping to Ult so I did... and then you whine about you not being in range?

Bitching about bot lane doing bad and taking out your anger at Zilean on the rest of the team?

Being so insufferable that I had to actually ignore you in game because of how much rage you are spamming into the chat?

That shit is completely unacceptable.

Thanks for making that particular game one of the most un-enjoyable games I have ever played in League of Legends.

 

Hmm. Well, after jungling at least 10 games with Hecarim, I've come to the conclusion that he's only good for early game ganks. He's an awesome, *fast* jungler with his Spirit of Dread and a decent kiter for when you want to bait the enemy team, but that's about it imo. Even if you build him as tanky DPS, you'd be lucky if you are able to build your 4th item before the game is over one way or another. His farming really sucks (thought that might be because I refuse to spam!stack movement/attack speed.

He's fun, and a good CC champ reminiscent of Alistair, but without the awesome stuns and fears. The fear on his ult is just not good enough, imo.

Ultimately, he's not my favorite champ, but still my favorite jungler. Mostly because he's super easy to use, at least to me.

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This is why I NEVER play with Promethius. I've given him several chances to play like an adult and every time, he acted like a whiny 5 year old.

Some of us like to PLAY, not treat every match like it's life and death. Ragers like Promethius ruin the experience for everyone else.