The only way I could imagine the Kyuubi influencing the healing ability is that since Naruto has so much chakra his healing ability is better than most, and he has the crazy amount of chakra due to being the Kyuubi container.

 

I rather like to think that Naruto is the Kyuubi jinchuuriki because he has so much chakra, not the other way around. After all, Konoha brought Kushina to town specifically to fill this role. It makes sense that no ordinary kid could have the Kyuubi sealed in him and be fine.

 

So what your saying is that Naruto was going to have some monstrous amounts of chakra and the Kyuubi just made him into even more of a chakra monster?

 

That's what we're led to believe.

 

Assuming a normal ninja has chakra amounting to a 10, then Naruto would have what amounts to 25 from his Uzumaki lineage. It gets up to 150 from the Kyuubi, I would say.

 

Based on what?

 

http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-315/10/ http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-315/11/

This?

 

Oh Jesus. I actually got it right.


So that's what it feels like.

 

Sort of. Kakashi said that with the Kyuubi Naruto's chakra can be up to 100 times his. You put it at 15 times.

 

Edit: You're right. It was good while it laster, I suppose.

 

150 is wrong. As I said you have Kyuubi powered Naruto as 15 times stronger than Kakashi. He should be at 100 times stronger. On your scale he wouldn't be at 150. He'd be at 1000. Your estimate missed Kakashi's by 850.

 

Though I wonder how those mix.

That is to say, is there always a small amount of Kyuubis chakra boosting Naruto, even when he is not actually drawing on it? I seem to remember Jiraiya mentioning once that the seal always leaked small amounts which mixed with Narutos.

So it might be that Naruto is as you say indeed 25, but is there always a small boost going on, to lets say 35 (25Naruto+10Kyuubi). Then when Naruto draws on Kyuubi actively, the levels go way up.

Its also kinda confusing about the shadow clones. I mean Naruto has created like 50-100 clones at a time on few occasions without significant signs of drain. And yet, in that chapter mentioned above, Kakashi says that Naruto has atleast twice as much chakra as he does. Would that not mean, that Kakashi either totally screwed up his estimate and Naruto actually has something like 20+ times the chakra Kakashi has even without Kyuubi, or that Kakashi should be able to create 25-50 clones (since he has half the chakra of Naruto)? Given how much Naruto is hyped as the huge chakra beast, and how often Kakashi seems to run out of chakra from just a few techniques or using his sharingan for a short time, it seems hard to believe that Kakashi actually has 50% of Narutos reserves. He should not even be close.

For that matter, if Narutos reserves are not WAY beyond average, then why is he the onlyone who can abuse clone-training like that? Should not every jounin be able to create atleast a couple clones to boost their training speeds, with the stronger ones capable of creating 5-10 (which is a mere one tenth of Narutos chakralevels)? None of that makes sense, unless Kakashi was utterly mistaken and Narutos reserves are actually many tens of times, if not hundred of times the average, even without Kyuubi.

And ofcourse, given that Kyuubi is supposed to be a humongous chakra battery (greatest there is apparently, not counting the Juubi), Narutos reserves while using Kyuubis chakra should be insane. Especially in the recent chapters where he has gained the KCM and BM and therefore full and unrestricted access to Kyuubis (or should I say Kuramas) chakra. I would expect that the difference between BM-Naruto and Kakashi would be approaching thousands rather than a mere hundred.

I think Kishi did not pay all that much attention to the chakra levels and make sure they were consistent in practise, which leads to problems and logical errors.

 

It has been my understanding throughout the series that whenever Naruto uses a chakra-heavy technique, say, the Summoning technique or the Mass shadow Clone technique, he draws upon the Kyuubi's chakra to accomplish it, rather than his own reserves.

 

Where has that ever been suggested? Certainly there was never even the slightest sign of it, and there usually is (slitted eyes, thickened whiskers, claws and so on. Or chakra aura).

Not to mention the things that conflict with that idea. For example, during the clone-training, Yamato was specifically there to suppress all of Kyuubis chakra, and yet Naruto was still able to create huge armies of clones without problems. If he needed Kyuubis chakra for clones, the moment Yamato put his suppression up, Naruto would suddenly have found himself unable to create clones. This did not happen.

I also seem to remember Naruto making lots of clones, even after Orochimaru blocked his access to Kyuubis chakra. Yep, chapter 062. Even with Orochimarus seal, Naruto was able to create a small army of Kage Bunshin.

As for summoning technique, he did use Kyuubis chakra for that, but it was very explicitly made clear that Naruto used Kyuubi. Infact he had to meet Kyuubi in his mind and demand chakra to be able to use it in sufficient quantity to summon Gamabunta. This has never happened with Kage Bunshin, and infact the need for Naruto to meet Kyuubi and ask for chakra to summon Gamabunta, would infact suggest that he would have needed to do the same if he used Kyuubi for clones. That obviously never happened.

Bottom line, everything suggests that Naruto creates clones using only his own chakra. Kyuubi is not involved in any significant way. So how can Naruto create so many clones while others cannot, without having massively greater reserves than everyone else. Maybe Kakashi was just lying to try and keep Narutos ego in check .

 

Since this is the only way this makes sense, I choose to believe that rather than the dubious alternatives.

I mean, really? That's what you came up with? Suit yourself. We'll just agree to disagree.

 

Did you somehow miss the smiley that made it obvious I was joking?

The reason for this inconsistency is that Kishi screwed up and created a situation that does not make any sense by having Kakashi state chakra values that don't fit with the rest of the manga. Is not like its the first time things like this have happened in the manga. And while we can come up with plausible explanations and excuses to justify it, we are just trying to make things fit, when in reality the author screwed up here. That is the only true explanation.

Your Kyuubi chakra explanation does not work since it contradicts other scenes, such as the ones I pointed out where Naruto uses mass-clones in cases where Kyuubis chakra is blocked and they still work fine.

Naruto having only 2x the chakra of Kakashi does not make sense since it contradicts other scenes and the way the world works (Naruto would NOT be the only one capable of Kage Bunshin training if this were true, and yet apparently he is).

Kyuubi being a weakling that has only 100 the chakra of Kakashi(who was never suggested to have all that much chakra), but can still create super bijuudama nukes with diameter reaching into 10s of km does not make sense.

And so on.

Kishi screwed up and there is a contradiction. Thats it.

 

Kishimoto is hilarious when he uses numbers. It's always so hyperbolic.

Remember when Konan used something like 600 billion explosive tags that she apparently made herself? That was funny.

 

I think only Naruto can use shadow clones this way, because of his insane regeneration, which refill his chakra reserve very fast. Kakashi himself said that he could not sustain clones for longer period of time.
http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-315/10/
He could summon a few - http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-33/10/ - even after prolonged using of sharingan, summoning and chidori.
So I would say it isn't that Naruto has such insane chakra reserve (he has massive but not like 1000 times bigger than others ninja), but speed at which his regenerates (often during battle).

 

I'm pretty sure that Kakashi was trolling Gato's men there. I think he used the basic clones and acted like they were solid scare Gato's men. He does say something about fooling them before he does it.

 

It's possible, but he also says that he "can do that, at least". So I'm thinking that he did make the shadow Clones, but just like the original, they were too tired/wounded to fight properly. Thus, his best bet is intimidation.