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General League of Legends v.2.0

Discussion in 'League of Legends' started by Dark Syaoran, Sep 10, 2012.

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  1. Wildfeather

    Wildfeather The Nidokaiser ~ Prestige ~

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    The first thing I learned about solo queue: play someone who can hard carry a team of idiots. The second thing I learned? Wards don't keep you safe.

    As Yorick though...Can't you ranged check brushes with a ghost? Seems like you may have been overextending if he could consistently gank you like that on a champion with an MS slow, and MS boost. If someone is that intent on your nuts though, give up the tower and roam. Part of the problem with solo queue is people get attached to their farm and KDA and don't pick strong roamers when they are better than their elo. If you win your lane consistently, pick a strong tanky initiator and play that champion and roam like it's going out of style.

    In my experience, a shut down opponent who is left to free-farm is much easier to kill than an opponent who is fed from the beginning of the game.
     
  2. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    You could be as fed as reasonably allowable on Yorick and you still won't carry the game. He's a shitty champion if you're looking to carry.

    Playing Yorick, imo, is a cop-out. You're relying entirely on winning your lane 1v1. Ganks are going to hurt you more than other picks. It isn't mordekaiser, but it's still a pretty bad champ to be when the ganks come a knockin.

    Past the lane phase, you aren't that strong of a champion. Your ghoul harass is infinitely less useful than it was when you started the lane phase, and 9/10 you aren't as tanky as you need to be to dish out the damage you need to, since your damage is consistent with very little burst, requires you to be in melee, and your kit doesn't provide the tools to stay there. Slow ghoul isn't that great compared to what CCs you give up by putting a Yorick in top lane.

    Not to mention, your ult is like directly counter intuitive to your own ability to carry. No matter how shitty your ADC performs, she will likely do more damage than you. It only makes sense to ult her to get the most out of your ult, but at the same time, if she dies, you wasted it more or less, since she will probably get herself killed again. edit: The strength of this ult is completely reliant on your ADC, not you. For that reason, you don't carry on Yorick, you play a top lane support. But others can do this better because while they don't give the Yorick ult to the ADC, they can deal more damage/be a larger threat/provide more cc, which support in ways that are almost equally effective for good ADCs and better for bad ADCs.

    Meanwhile, that malphite, while he probably sucked and got destroyed during the laning phase because very few champions can 1v1 Yorick, still contributed more to his team. Even going completely itemless, he can ult and apply a 50% attackspeed reduction to a large portion of the enemy team before they can focus him down. So while he lost his lane, he will arguably provide more utility if your ADC is good, and definitely provide better utility if your ADC is bad.
     
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  3. thebrute7

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    May I suggest Olaf? He's a perfect toplaner for ranked if you need to solo-carry in my opinion. He gets monstrously tanky, has true damage, is incredibly deadly in lane, tough to gank, and is virtually impossible to fight 1v1. I have encountered more than one fed Olaf who was able to easily charge in and take out both the AD and AP carries of a team before dieing.

    With those two down, even if you die right after, even the most retarded team can finish the fight for you and win (since presumably you shut down and/or bullied the top lane sufficiently).

    Not a good choice for me, because I have a toaster for a computer that lags off and on during big fights, and occasionally not so big fights, which makes adequately controlling Olaf a pain, but if you don't have that problem he can be utterly devastating. There's a very good reason he is a super commonly contested pick with the pros, and has been for a long time now.

    I've got to get back to playing, I've been playing nothing but Lord of the Rings lately, and am craving some League. Playing league specifically, since I have still been watching all the tournaments. Maybe tommorow.
     
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  4. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    Wow just enabled login music for Thresh.

    That's some dishonored-level shit. Nice.
     
  5. Evan Tide

    Evan Tide Chief Warlock DLP Supporter

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    Kha Zix, if you can get him top. Huge roam threat + Monstrous 1v1 + insane wave clear + hard to gank unless bad.

    Yeah, he's not tanky. But seriously, insta-gib enemy squishies then reset spam with E.

    Personally, I prefer singed, Talon, Kha, and Olaf for my pubstomping. They usually work and can go beast mode at some point.
     
  6. Consumptus

    Consumptus Groundskeeper

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    Solo queue is meh. It mostly relies on stomping your lane and then spreading your advantage to the rest of the team.

    You'll notice the best solo queuer's can stomp lanes, deny your lane opponent, and then provide something to snowball your teammates.

    Talon, Khazix, etc. all roam very well due to their assassin kits. Stomp lane, then roam.

    Olaf is a hard carry right now. Health is just so efficient in gold AND he scales with it.
     
  7. Darth Disaster

    Darth Disaster The Waking Sith ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    AP/AS-On-Hit (in that order) Kayle = OP Kayle.

    Seriously. She's got soft CC and escape, Farm/Wave Clear, Utility, sustain, ranged harass, good sustained damage AND moderate burst, strong 1v1/dueling, and her ult+w makes her deceptively hard to gank or kill. Makes towerdiving a breeze, has team utility, and late game her W lets her zoom around the map.

    As long as you get a couple kills early, it's really strong all game long. You don't fall off at any point, really. Strongest, however, is early-mid. Still, mid-late continue to be a threat.

    The build sounds strange, but it works.

    Boots/3 --> Nashors --> Mpen Boots --> Malady ---> Dcap --> Gunblade --> Rageblade (provisional).

    Personally I prefer a Furor enchantment on boots for better chasing enemies. But of course those are situational.

    Mpen Reds, Mregen Yellows, Flat AP Blues/Quints.

    24(4/4 Fury, 2/3 Havoc, normal AP Masteries otherwise)/3(Perseverance)/3(Meditation) Masteries.

    First time playing AP-Kayle... just absolutely stomped my last two games in a row. Once top and once Mid.
     
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  8. tragicmat1

    tragicmat1 Death Eater

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    Yeah, I enjoy Kayle a lot too, though I prefer AD a bit more. Have you tried Lichbane instead of Gunblade though? Gunblade has nice stats for Kayle, but Spellpen isn't THAT great for Kayle, and the extra burst you get from Lichbane is great. (Gets amplified too by your Q). I don't really find a need for Rageblade imo, if you already have Nashors/Malady. It's probably best to get some sort of defensive item, such as Abyssal/Zhonyas/GA/Maybe Void Staff if needed.
     
  9. Republic

    Republic The Snow Queen –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Why aren't there good 3v3 teams in my server? I understand that 3v3 is generally looked down upon by the better half of the player base, but this is ridiculous.
     
  10. ElDee

    ElDee Unspeakable

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    Get a Liandry's Torment after the Nashor's Tooth. The AoE health shred you end up with is crazy strong.
     
  11. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    Will Liandry's torment apply from Runaan's Hurricane attacks?

    Also, I love watching TheOddOne streaming. The retarded "yeaaaa TSM" chant he does is great, but he just got dominated in a game and said "that's not TSM, that's DIG right there"

    shot milk out my nose

    There are, they just don't play often.

    Less people play 3s. It's a different game entirely and so it's just that no one cares. There's no solo queue for it, players aren't streaming it, and guides don't cover it. Everything you learn about playing the game, learning new champs, and trying new strategies are all based on SR. Playing TT is stepping into a new world and there aren't many resources to help you learn it.

    I don't think the ranked 3s queue is much worse than the ranked 5s queue either. Getting a group together is just difficult compared to the ease of queueing up for solo.
     
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  12. tragicmat1

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    No, I doubt hurricane procs Liandry's. Hurricane deals on-hit after all, and those don't work with Liandry's.
     
  13. ElDee

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    Nope. Hurricane spreads on hit effects, but Torment only applies from abilities.

    Basically if it procs spell vamp, it'll proc Torment. So Teemo's Toxic Shot doesn't apply it, but Kayle's Righteous Fury splash damage and Cho'Gath's Vorpal Spikes will.
     
  14. Darth Disaster

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    Someone's recommendation for a Fiora skin:
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Dreamweaver Mirar

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    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    Yea, but here's what the wiki says on Kayle's ability details:
    So it seems like perhaps it would because Kayle's E isn't anything similar to Teemo's toxic shot.
     
  17. BsuperB

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    I'll never understand how people are still this bad at the game. Today I've had a Xin who tried to level 2 gank, watched me use my stun to reset my auto to clear a ward so he could gank, then ganks and cusses me out for not stunning/following him in. What the hell am I supposed to do at level 1 when I still have 8 seconds on my stun? Flash pointlessly?

    Following game I go Kha mid because all my roles are called and well, it's better than ADC. Picked Kha into Kat, destroyed her and put her far behind but couldn't kill her. I expected to be camped by Lee Sin and then they switched Panth into mid so then I got screwed because he killed our top twice. After that, my jungler (Trundle) doesn't gank and spends the game calling me paper (which I was, to be fair) - But it was hardly surprising. I got killed returning to lane 3 times because their whole team was mid after dragon, then caught me trying to ward so I didn't die. Meanwhile, my entire team's still in lane farming.

    By the end of the game I'm barely 15 whilst their whole team is 18, my jungler's Trundle who is useless, our only cc against Kata was Taric and just eurgh. Such a frustrating game to play as I couldn't do anything. Cait would shred me if I went near her because she had 3 levels on me all the time, nobody helped me farm and I couldn't make plays anywhere because they just shoved their lanes, and still didn't manage to take towers. We took 2 towers & 1 drag in a 40 minute game; How am I supposed to be an assassin if we can't group or take objectives and I get out-levelled? I just don't... Such a terrible session.

    Edit; Not a fan of Kha'Zix either, maybe it's just me but I don't like the fact that you have to still click to use his Q & W even with smartcast on. It's just pointless trying to click your target with Q in a teamfight, why doesn't it just enable on next auto?
     
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  18. tragicmat1

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    Well, first of all, if you are playing Kayle, you do not need to bother with Hurricane to proc Liandry's. The splash damage from E will do that. If you have both on Kayle, you will do the splash damage AND hurricane damage, but ONLY the splash will proc Liandry's. Hurricane just does seperate damage all by itself.
     
  19. Fenraellis

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    Think of the Kayle's bonus magic on hit like a Malady or similar, which doesn't trigger Liandry's either, but does get added onto Runaan's hits.
     
  20. ElDee

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    Right. The on hit damage is 'just' normal on hit damage so it doesn't proc anything. The splash damage is a separate ability cast which does proc things. Vorpal Spikes works the same way, it's an ability cast which happens to fire after you attack something - ever notice how the damage on it is slightly delayed?

    It doesn't matter too much though. Runaan's Hurricane and Righteous Fury have similar ranges and Liandry's procs don't stack, so you'd be instantly overwriting them anyway.
     
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