Think I got lucky & hit the seem of trolls today, three games in a row where we're down 10 kills inside 7 minutes is rather depressing.

I feel like maybe we need some kind of system in champ select where you get asked to check your runes/masteries or something, had a couple of people today who've been active throughout the champ select screen yet have loaded into the game with AD runes on mid & vice versa. It's not game-breaking but it basically makes bot an automatic loss when your ADC has 23 AP at level 1 so they hit like a wet noodle.

Still, back down under 1300 ELO, annoying but not much I can do. Still improving which is always a good thing to recognise, just a shame teamwork and general common sense is so hard to come by over here.

Good ol' reliable Sejuani though. Not sure if Smurf or just badass, but, man, I love that pig. Hard to believe people underestimate her.

 

That'll do, Pig, that'll do.

Also, I enjoyed a Penta on her once before Liandry's came out. Haven't had one since, but that's hardly the point. I don't play her as often as I might like, I admit.

 

@BsuperB
When you're winning your lane like you were vs Katarina, push quickly and then go roam.

For example, go top and help your top laner with that Pantheon.
Or best case, go bot and help them snowball.

Most people don't know how to deal with roaming players.

 

Why Talon is evil. OHKO waves after BF sword. Silence to stop flash. Rampage.

 

That was the plan, I can't remember what happened but something did that stopped me, I think it was an ss call on Panth so I didn't want to wander too far as he was still in top and had recently hit 6, figured he was coming for me.

Still, it's an idea. I very rarely get mid and I think I could've made a better pick when I saw it was Kat, but hey. Someone with some form of CC would've been great, hell, I got Kassadin lately just because of the double IP weekend. No worries.

Talon's just disappeared which is weird. Out of all the melee casters/bruisers that rose to power when they changed BC, Pantheon seems to be the only one I see as a rather common pick. All the others have just vanished, which seems odd given Talon having a silence, though I suppose Pantheon's stun trumps it. Having said that I daresay 1350 - 1500 is hardly the place to kind of see an unusual pick. I do love watching a good Syndra for example, though you just don't see her down here.

In the mood for some Vi/Olaf play so think I'll try and squeeze in a couple of jungle Vi games later, not played her since the bug fixes so should be interesting, also want to try maxing q first in the jungle.

 

Well, after the nerfs to BC, Talon has kind of fallen back to where he's always been. Strong assasin that can beat AP mids. He's always been able to do that, and he still can. But if he can't do crazy damage in teamfights anymore, he just gets outpicked again.

 

Problem is that people still think Talon relies on BC when it's his 4th completed item in his tool kit, if he ever completes it.

Yeah, it was nice when he could get some good HP with BC stacking and mass shred off one W, but the BC was always his worst damage purchase.

Talon can still gut the enemy mid and brutally murder enemy teams. Pantheon might have his stun, but he can't murderize lanes, harass, or engage from as far as Talon unless Panth can ulti in perfectly.

 

Yep, that's what I was saying. Talon has more of less fallen back to his original S2 build. Getting an early brutalizer> Bloodthirster > w/e. He's still strong (never really been weak to begin with), but he's lost his faceroll status and just kind of back to where he was before.

 

I suppose, it's just one of those champions I don't see. People seem to have an obsession with playing whatever's FotM down here which kinda sucks given some people's inability to play certain champs. I figure I should probably start practising Jayce, Kassadin and probably play Cho more in the jungle just so I don't play the same old 4 - 5 champs repeatedly.

Also probably need to practise Thresh some more, lost to him as a Taric the other day though I think that was because my adc just didn't have the balls to go for it. When their adc's backing in a bush and Thresh is trying to grab some extra souls, you can easily chunk him... Still! As for countering him, Leona would certainly work early, though I hear Fiddle's quite good just to zone him off souls with fear/silence so you can get in some extra harass minus the shield.

 

Support LB with more gold than farmed top lane, jungle, and mid. Was glorious.

 

Speaking of Thresh, I've been playing a lot of Thresh lately, and he is definitely a unique support. His kit works very well together in the lane. As for going against him, it is somewhat a bit like going against a Blitzcrank. As much as I would like, Thresh will probably never have the lane presence that a good Blitz does, but he certainly excels at zoning. I have noticed that early on he can certainly be squishy and a bad Thresh is prone to harass while gathering souls if he's not careful. I definitely think Leona would be a good counter because of her hard CC and insane tankiness (partly why I like playing her). And Nami is pretty annoying because of her CC and heals. After going against a Sona, I pretty much just facerolled her with the help of my ADC. Since I play so much support, it would be interesting to see what other supports you guys think would counter him, or vice versa. Traditional and non-traditional supports are both welcome, since I've played support Viktor quite a bit too (It's pretty hilarious when partnered with Caitlin as Fenraellis can attest). Oh, and one interesting tidbit about his soul gathering: At 119 souls, Thresh has 148.5 armor which is the same amount as Maokai with the highest scaling armor in the game naturally. So anything above 119 would just be icing on the cake.

 

Think we need a new client, getting dc'd in champ select twice so I have to dodge because I random or can't see the chat/picks is kinda annoying. That & I got the fun bug of all the bans appearing on one side today, was rather amusing to see. Still, think it might have been a slight problem on EUW, happened again earlier, really random.

Edit; Then my laptop blue-screens in an aram where I get Ashe and was 6/1/20, finally come back after everything reboots and we lost. Fml.

 

The problem is that Thresh is hideously weak early game. Taric, Leona, Alistar, Blitz, Naut, pretty much any support that goes aggressive with their ADC will shut down Thresh.

Of the 5 games I've fought him at bot as support vs support, I've always ended up as 1/1/1x within 15 minutes with my carry getting at least 5 kills while Thresh and his carry are shut down completely.

 

I could definitely see Lux shutting down Thresh because of her more powerful zoning capablities. Taric and Alistar I haven't really had any issues with, but only time will tell if I come across any situations that warrant them getting a true "counter" merit against Thresh. Naut, Leona, and Lux definitely have the zoning and CC lockdown to dominate Thresh. Blitz is just hilarious because both ADCs are afraid of doing very much, and the double pulls are entertaining to say the least.

 

The problem is that you're thinking I'm saying they counter Thresh.

The actual problem is that NONE of them give a single damn about Thresh and will just roll over your ADC all day, because Thresh has nothing early game to help.

 

Well, yeah, you are saying they counter him. Granted the word choice doesn't explicitly state it, but the implication is definitely there. Not to mention the fact that, depending on what champion your ADC is playing, they certainly have a role in the "shutting down" process. And yes, most of them do give a damn about Thresh. If we're strictly talking about level 1-5, Thresh can help his ADC tremendously. There is no getting over the fact that he is weak early on. But so is Sona, Soraka, Nami, and Janna. Yet any of those four supports still bring plenty of utility to the lane. Just because a champion might be weak early on, doesn't make them worthless. End result, Thresh does bring something to the table early game. Is it as strong as others? No. But he certainly is no slouch either. Ultimately, a match-up depends on the player's skill.

 

Except no, those champs are all stupidly strong early (Nami debatable)

Sona has massive harass and damage aura/Sustain.

Soraka has free pokes and the highest sustain period.

Janna has instant shields/buffs from a huge range, CC from a huge range, and the ability to nullify many of the aggressive supports. With some AP, she can even wave clear and harass.

Thresh? Mediocre grab. W travel time shield that also relies on allies clicking it. E short range AOE CC that has maybe just barely the same CC time as a quick Janna Q.

His most lethal skill is the Box and unless he saves casts first then push/pulls someone in or the enemy just ate some hard CC, it won't hit. I've walked out of a Thresh casting that sucker right after he grabbed me.

There is practically no reason to play Thresh without an extremely coordinated team who can react to lantern tosses instantly.


There are admittedly some very neat tricks that a super coordinated team can pull (Teleport to lantern and other derivatives) or even maybe as a defensive champ while your team is running, but his laning and actual fight presence is almost completely overshadowed by Blitz and other aggressive supports.

And no, it really doesn't depend much on skill. I fought a Plat Thresh in draft and roflstomped all over him with a Taric just because the sucker can do nothing to actually help his carry when the enemy goes on the offense.

 

Anyone play on the PBE?

If so, does the new Seeker's Armguard passive disappear when you upgrade it to Zhonyas?

Also, is this a joke?

At that point...

 

I know Kellros plays on the PBE, so I can see if I can get a hold of him to ask. But if so, the Seeker's Armguard will be even better because of the cost effiency.

 

Haven't been on the pbe yet to check the stuff out, saw annie's remake the other week and was happy enough with that, might check it out before I sleep or something.

Update : As of right now the passive is attached to the item so when you upgrade it the passive goes away. Also panda annie kicks ass, that is all.