The moment when you realize you used all five of your thumbs up in the Naruto manga thread.

p.s. Much love for Hashirama, who has single-handedly fucked up approximately 95% of the history of the Leaf.

 

The First is actually an time traveling amnesia Naruto who fused with the kyuubi to win the fourth ninja war thus going back in time doing this all over again

 

For all intents and purposes, he did. Sure, Itachi intended to die and all, and infact was already dying from an illness. But ultimately if Sasuke had not forced Itachi to spend so much effort, its almost certain that Itachi would not have perished then. He might have died later from his illness (maybe just a few months later), but if not for Sasuke he would not have died that day. I would say that is close enough to say that Sasuke killed him.

If you go to someone with terminal cancer with only a month to live, and then shoot him, then I think you killed him. Even if the guy wants you to kill him (euthanasia basically), and you shoot him, then you still killed him (just with consent).

I think when it comes to the MS requirement, Sasuke killed Itachi.

Obito is a bit of a unique case. Its strongly implied there, that somehow he saw things happen from the perspective of Kakashi when Kakashi killed Rin. You can see it happen in the previous chapter, where Obito suddenly seems to grab his empty eye-socket with pain, and then an image of Rin impaled with chidori appears.

So while its true that Obito did not strictly speaking kill Rin, he apparently experienced killing her from Kakashis perspective due to some unique connection between their two sharingans. That might have been enough to cause Obitos MS to awaken (he saw himself do it). Another possibility is that this connection meant that one sharingan going MS automatically caused the other sharingan to go MS aswell, even if implanted in someone else, so Kakashi killing Rin to awaken his MS, automatically caused the other of the pair to go MS aswell.

If the latter idea is true, then in theory Sasuke could have had his eye implanted into some desperate criminal somewhere, bribed that criminal with lots of money to go and kill his best friend (with Sasukes eye implanted at the time), and when said bribed criminal killed his best friend, Sasuke would have gotten MS to his remaining eye without having to kill Naruto. He could then have taken the implanted eye back and paid the criminal.

 

It could also be that Obito saw his failure to protect Rin as him killing her himself. Hence, MS.

 

I used to think MS could be unlocked just by feeling immense guilt over a loved one's death. So even if you didn't kill them, but blamed yourself for the death anyway, it would suffice to activate the Mangekyou Sharingan. Now, I'm not so sure that's the case. It seems it really is activated by personally killing a loved one, or at the very least, wholeheartedly believing you killed them.

The only unexplained MS activation so far I can think of is Shisui's, but that was presumably the result of killing his best friend in order to pass Danzou's final test for becoming a true agent of Root.

 

I think we see the MS in Kakashi's eye when he kills Rin and Obito showing the same thing, eluding that they both unlocked it at the same time.

Obito is an Uchiha and his love felt rage made him use it, whilst Kakshi passed out, not being an Uchiha and thus it took him that long to actually realise he had the MS and learn how to use it.

 

Kakashi probably didn't even know about MS until he got beaten up by Itachi.

 

If the First Hokage taught Tsunade gambling doesn't this mean that he died after the Nidaime had already become Hokage and also died? Aka he should already know about his brothers reforms. That's if we go by ages in that Tsunade was 51 in Part 1 and Sarutobi was between 68-70.

 

I actually got the impression that the seeing a loved one die is what causes the sharingan to be activated.

So it goes like this: see loved one die? -->Sharingan kill loved one?--> Mangekyo take loved ones eye? --> eternal Mangekyo.

And judging from what the Second said, that means Sasuke's love was already turning into hate since before he showed up in the manga.

 

I am pretty sure Obito atleast activates his sharingan despite no loved ones dying. I think he himself was in danger, or maybe Kakashi was, but no one had died yet. Likewise Sasuke (re)activates his sharingan in Hakus trap before anyone has died (but where they are in trouble).

Seems likely that the base sharingan just activates in a situation where the Uchiha in question or someone else close to said Uchiha needs help.

 

Look at this chapter again, when the Second is talking about this change the Uchiha undergone it is the regular sharingan that is shown.

Sasuke's was activated when a loved one died and that retcon appeared after the Gaiden where Obito activated his.

More than likely, if Kishi ever felt like revisiting Obito's activation it would be revealed that it was first activated after someone important to him died.

 

What should have shown? MS? Whose? Madaras is the only one Tobirama would realistically know, but he uses rinnegan these days so that eye would be just confusing.

It seems improbable that Uchiha only activate their eyes when a loved one dies. That would be the kind of thing that would be common knowledge among the clan, and Sasuke would have known it well. And again, did not happen to Obito. Could Kishi retcon it so its true? Sure, but he could in theory also retcon Naruto to have been a secret Uchiha all along. I don't really want to talk about things that Kishi might retcon until said retcon actually happens.

 

Anybody's. The panel was for the readers, it wasn't like the Second drew it while he was talking. Besides the Second recognized Sasuke's eyes as MS the instant he revealed them.

 

Didn't the Second say feeling great despair was enough to activate the Sharingan? I don't think anyone actually has to die. Sasuke activated his when he was under great stress, because he and Naruto were about to be killed and he could never get his revenge. Obito activated his for similar reasons, as his beloved Rin was kidnapped and he and Kakashi were struggling in their fight. It's only the MS that needs (percieved) direct involvement in the dead of a truly loved one to be actived. In the end, the activation and evolution of the sharingan is based on a specific emotional state, which can be created to several different situations, although love always plays an important role.

 

This smelled like bullshit the very instant that Itachi said it. I didn't know that anyone still bought into it.

And no, it's not supported by the manga.

Honestly, the explanation we were just given as to how the Sharingan evolves makes perfect sense with what we know. I have no problem with it whatsoever.

 

I liked the chapter. So it seemed Tobirama mightve been acting on anger about the Uchiha as Hashirama seamed to have a better view of the clan.

Wondering wether Sasuke is gonna ask the Fourth anything, and realize he's Naruto's dad.

 

I do get the impression that Tobirama was referring to the Uchiha activating their sharingan in general with that despair. Like you said though Tobirama is unlikely to be a perfect source of information here as he's bigoted and not even an Uchiha. That can be the explanation for why almost everyone in the clan didn't have the sharingan.

As for Obito and Kakashi unlocking their MS, I think you have it backwards. Given Tobirama's information about special chakra and whatnot it should be impossible for Kakashi to have unlocked the MS on his own. I think it was Obito who unlocked the MS by seeing what Kakashi did and then Kakashi's eye evolved due to the connection. Your idea of the special chakra causing the blindness is then supported by the fact that Kakashi doesn't seem to have that problem at all.

 

So has anyone here watched Road to Ninja: Naruto the Movie? AKA Masashi Kishimoto's official fanfiction for his own series. I'm just curious if it is any good, or as hilariously bad as it sounds.

 

Has anyone seen it besides the Japanese?