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General League of Legends v.2.0

Discussion in 'League of Legends' started by Dark Syaoran, Sep 10, 2012.

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  1. BsuperB

    BsuperB Headmaster

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    Just like that, 3 wins on the trot and up for promotion back into Silver III. Not too proud of myself mind you as my first win I tried my darndest to throw like a fool, the second game was just a damn fun match all roud with all kinds of low elo craziness and the 3rd match I was Xin top vs a Singed.

    Went for a weird start because I figured Singed, I should try and out-sustain and harrass early. Go 2 wards, 2 mana pots and I think 7/8 health pots, standard 9/21/0 changing rom armor to MR and boom. Get his Ghost at level 1 even though he went cloth 5, he backed for some reason, came back to lane by the time I was 3 and just killed him twice in a row and snowballed from there.

    Finished with 0 deaths but their team was rather derpy and we rolled them over, so I feel like I just got the lucky end of the draw this time instead of the shitty end. Still, promotion, excited but nervous. Worst case scenario is I lose my first game, pressure ahoy.
     
  2. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    Tragic makes a great point. Barring absurdity, it really doesn't matter how badly you win your lane if you bring nothing to the team late.

    I was saying something similar about Yorick a few pages back.
    It's the reason I absolutely hate these "lane-only" champions, as I like to call them. Yes, you are nearly uncounterable if you pick Yorick and yes you will probably dominate your lane. Same thing with Teemo, though he does bring more with s3 than he did previously. But that 10 cs Malphite who is 0/4 will probably bring more to the teamfight with just his ult than Yorick can with his 5kg advantage.

    I was having a discussion where this came up with Rabbit a few days ago as well. A lot of people say their teams are just so bad they can't be carried, despite your 10.0KDA and record-setting cs count. I'm not saying these games don't happen (I had one last night), but my attitude in every game is to check to see what I could have done better and what mistakes I could have avoided, because that is all I can change. Riven may have used a bug with broken wings to first blood you but that doesn't mean you aren't responsible for calling mia when you are pushed to turret, and it doesn't mean that this bug suddenly absolves you of all responsibility for the 9/0 riven destroying the team while you miss your skillshot CCs.

    A big thing a lot of people can change when they think they can't carry despite their 50.0KDAs and shut-down lane opponents is to start picking champions that do more for the team and are less about being dominant duelists. I mean, OF COURSE you won your lane playing as *assassinhere* against *traditionalAPmidhere,* but it doesn't matter when you assassinate the AP carry after he blows his load or drops his CC and his team proceeds to rape yours.

    This isn't to say that I don't play these laneonly champs (although I don't play the faggoty ones like Yorick and Teemo, tyvm), but I can at least recognize the mistake and risk in picking them.

    Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M303IGLWaA
     
  3. BsuperB

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    I think sometimes, if not most of the time people just seem to be far too focussed on countering someone. Like if they see a Katarina, they'll take Kassadin or something, which is great! You shut down Kat at 6 with a fairly short CD spell, you can just walk away if she tries to all in you and you can follow if she roams fairly well.

    Personally I'm happy if people are playing whatever they're good at, be it Teemo or Karma. I mean if they counterpick themselves then yeah, I'll facepalm and hope they're better mechanically at their champion than the other guy, but it can't be helped. Just seems from my experience at least if people play who they want, they (usually) perform well. Still have people that play Singed and think they're God at level 2 only to go 0-3 in lane and be utterly shut down but still.
     
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  4. Super Bunny

    Super Bunny Fourth Year

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    I don't believe Teemo can ever be truly shut down. You ever had a 50 minute game where enemy Teemo was 0/10 and had 400 cs + 50 shrooms on the map? DEAR GOD.
     
  5. Kaemrynn

    Kaemrynn Fourth Year

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    While I'm incredibly proud that Yorick (my favorite champ to take top) beat a Cho'gath, I am at the same time, incredibly stunned.

    Cho is the only champion that I cannot beat top as Yorick. Yorick is my fall back, no matter what. I will never lose my lane. I may not win the lane very hard, but I certainly don't lose it.

    That is, unless, I'm playing against any Cho worth his salt.

    With his insane amount of sustain (especially when paired with a Doran's Ring or Crystalline Flask start), high poke, and kiting capabilities, he is perhaps the champ most deserving of being called a counter to Yorick. And he's just plain fucking annoying.

    Now perhaps I'm simply building wrong, but I've tried various builds against a Cho. Maybe my playstyle is wrong, but I've played hyper-aggressive to tower-hugging like a hippie on a tree, and everything in between. Suffice it to say, I despise Cho more than any other champion. (Any suggestions are appreciated).

    Now, all of this probably(definitely) doesn't make you feel any better about the losses Republic, but I am simply at a loss for words at a Cho'gath losing lane to a Yorick.

    PS: Yorick is not a faggoty champion, as some have pointed out above me...
     
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  6. BsuperB

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    Can't say I've ever lost lane as Yorick unless the jungler sits and camps my ass top because I'm Yorick, sustain machine. One of the few top laners I don't mind dying under turret as because hopefully my team's actually doing something other than rushing top to try and save my ass.

    Cho I think is the one 'counter' to Yorick because of his sustain. Yorick has ranged harrass? Cho gets free sustain from his passive and can wave-clear exceedingly quickly. Maybe it's just me but I don't think Yorick's the best under-tower farmer unless you have a lot of mana regen, which in turn limits your in-lane harrass unlike Cho. I've never played against a Cho as Yorick, but I've had people on my team do it and yet to see them lose lane, doubly so if I gank pre-6 when Yorick is about as uesful as a pre-6 Singed.

    Yorick's problem is he just can't carry. You rely on your AD Carry (preferably) or someone on your team just getting big, out of control so that the enemy team is forced to focus them, and boom, your ult wastes their time. Usually this leads to me getting focussed first but it works out as then the huge carry is free to just roll people. Cho also wins here because he is just more useful than Yorick in a TF. Short of his ult, Yorick won't do shit unless he built for damage, which means he'll be like wet paper. Cho brings an amazing AoE silence, a knock-up which is great at low ELO when everyone clumps up and up to 650 True Damage burst on whoever he chooses be it the Bruisers diving his Carry, or the enemy Carry if he can close the gap. It's why I love Cho jungle so much currently, though Xin is a close personal second because maxing E is just hilarious.
     
  7. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    Yorick is the definition of faggoty champion.
    You're in denial.
     
  8. ElDee

    ElDee Unspeakable

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    True facts. Yorick is such a faggoty champion.
     
  9. BsuperB

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    Success! Back into Silver III after an easy first game, a crushing defeat in the 2nd and a semi-close call in the 3rd.

    That said, holy hell is Hybrid Kayle a beast in top. Their first 2 picks were Darius/Cho so Kayle was the only way forward. Forced a kill on Darius under his own tower just after I hit 6, then 2v1'd Darius and a half HP Olaf (with double buff) mid-lane. Probably should've taken the tower at that point as I got cocky and got killed in a 1 for 1 under my own tower by Darius, destroying Olaf again.

    After that it was mostly clean up with our Ahri getting wrecked by Cho but he got too cocky and was OOM from spamming Rupture, spent most of the game chasing people down after that because Nashor's Tooth, Rageblade & Zerker's with Alacrity is awesome.
     
  10. Churchey

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  11. Republic

    Republic The Snow Queen –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Thank god I can always count on Taric to carry stupid teams. I practically cook, cut up and chew stuff to get them fed, but I manage it.

    Taric is the shit. So OP.
     
  12. BsuperB

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    Been holding off on doing so, probably shouldn't because it's outside Necro-date and even then I suppose it's semi-relevant. Generally I just have this page open throughout the day when not working.

    Still, anyone else planning on watching the LCS start tonight? 10PM CET/9PM GMT/4PM EST I believe is the start time for TSM vs CLG.

    Personally I think CLG are gonna take it as TSM have been moving lately and don't seem to have been scrimming much at all, lot of soloq streams with little else happening. That and I think TSM kind of rely on Dyrus not losing his lane and whether Regi shows up and makes plays or just has a terrible game and feeds for nothing.
     
  13. ElDee

    ElDee Unspeakable

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    I'll probably watch it just to see how it goes, but I don't care at all about watching TSM and CLG play each other. I'm more interested in seeing how they do against Good Game University and Vulcun (former Team FeaR).
     
  14. tragicmat1

    tragicmat1 Death Eater

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    When we can fit almost every single thread in one page, there's really no need to worry about necroing anything.

    But yeah, Taric is one of the few supports that has been relatively untouched, and he's always been strong. He always remains a strong pick as bot support, and it's a wonder why he's not used more.
     
  15. Koalas

    Koalas First Year ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Because support is 'boring' as 'is' support Taric. Which is bs, hands down best support imo. Even the worst adc in league should be massively ahead in farm or kills if you play Taric right.
     
  16. Darth Disaster

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    Because everyone and their mother is very used to playing against him if they have any amount of experience bot. A good Taric is disruptive as hell and wants to play offensively by laying down a screening wall (himself) of stuns and Armor reduction in front of his ADC. People know how to counter this. Don't play aggressively, farm farm farm and wait for the gank. Taric can only stun one person. In 2 v 2 that's terribly important, but in 3 v 2 it's significantly less important.

    Also, he doesn't really EXCEL at anything. His stun CD is not great. His heal is not fantastic like Soraka's, but not terrible, his ult is not a game changer like Sona's or Lulu's. His CC isn't spammable/long ranged and AOE like Lux. Taric is sort of a jack of all trades, but master of none.
     
  17. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    League Etiquette: If you send someone a message asking for a game, do not then respond to their "Yes" by asking for them to invite you.
     
  18. Kaemrynn

    Kaemrynn Fourth Year

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    I figured that was a given, but meh.

    PS: I still maintain Yorick is not a faggoty champion.
     
  19. Darth Disaster

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    Check the batteries on your gaydar. He's about as faggoty as a wine tasting party hosted by Richard Simmons and Sir Elton John.
     
  20. Kaemrynn

    Kaemrynn Fourth Year

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    Also, Support is not that boring. It's the role I end up playing the most, simply because out of Fenraellis, Kellros, and others, I'm the only one who is competent. As in, I'm the only one who wards and doesn't steal CS. Note: Never let Kellros support because he steals kills and refuses to ward.

    Regardless, support is definitely a make it or break it role. You protect the carry from minute one, you let them CS, you feed them kills, and you ward like crazy to keep from getting ganked. A bad support hurts bot lane tremendously.

    My favorite support champions vary based on the day. My current list is as follows:

    1. Taric
    2. Leona
    3. Thresh
    4. Nunu
    5. Viktor

    They're definitely all aggressive supports, but that's my playstyle. But support can be fun, and you become possessive of your ADC. Soon you find yourself thinking like Ash in Pokemon: Go my ADC, and kill everybody at once! Think Pikachu killing Onyx when Ash takes on Brock. Should be impossible, but for some reason, because of the tender loving care of the support, they pull off a miracle. Which results in victory!
     
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