Probably one of the best riot threads in a while.

p.s. Trundle or Urgot to buy?

 

My god but Bronze is goddamn toxic. Three games in a row of AFKs and lolwrongrunes.

 

Bronze isn't Toxic! The Tribunal Works! Leaver Penalties stop trolls! Really! Tons of Damage! Kat doesn't need Nerfing! Darius doesn't need nerfing!


=,= Fuck sometimes I get tired of Riot.

 

It isn't any more toxic than Silver, Gold, Platinum or Diamond.

 

Go with Urgot, Trundle is going to be free this upcoming week, I think. At least LoLwiki says so. And Urgot is also just a better buy, in my opinion.

 

Bullshit. Bronze is full of more trolls than any other level. It's the attitude of being at the bottom that causes people not to care. It's not like they have anything to lose. The higher up you get, the less trolls you find. I KNOW platinum players who climbed from bronze, through silver and gold. They all say that yes, there are still trolls, but a whole fucking lot less of them.

 

Think about what you're saying for a minute. Why would a higher rated player have more to lose than a low rated player? That argument has never been true. They lose some rating? Oh no, now they have to make up for it by winning the next match - against lower rated opponents!

Now that the new League system is in place and people can't ever drop out of a tier once they earn it, that argument is even less true.

You know why there's 'more' trolls in Bronze? It's because Bronze players label everyone as a troll. You were higher in the pick order and dared to play the lane that they wanted? You're a troll. You lost your lane? You're a troll. You try to gank, but get outplayed by the enemy and die 2v1? You're a troll. If for any reason you fail to measure up to the completely insane, impossible, distorted standards they've set for you, congratulations, you're a troll.

Higher level players don't. They are able to tell the difference between someone playing an unconventional pick, someone having a poor game and someone who is actually trolling. And when they do encounter a genuine troll, they don't get so fucking emotional about it. They knuckle down and try to carry anyway, 4v5 if need be, then send off a report after the game.

The whole attitude that 'Bronze is full of trolls' causes more negativity and toxicity in games than the few genuine trolls playing League ever could.

 

Eldee wins.

Also, for reference, Dunning-Kruger Effect is all I hear whenever people bitch about their elo/division/rating whatever bullshit, and how they always lose because they are getting trolls/leavers/afks.

Suck it up and deal with it. My god, people are good at whining.

 

You just proved my point. Higher level players don't act like lower level players. They act better/Less Toxic. Die a couple times in mid? The support won't start intentionally trying to take kills from you cause 'he thinks you suck'. Your CS isn't great? The Jungler won't run by and take every CS as often as he can because 'obviously you don't want it.' Get a blue and then lose a duel or get ganked and donate it to the other team? The jungler won't just quit giving you blues because 'you're just going to keep donating them'.

While these things may still happen at higher Leagues/Tiers/Elos, they are, without a doubt LESS common. Which was my point to start with. Toxic players acting badly (but not necessarily throwing the game flat out by going tele-port revive karma and chain-feeding mid) because they're angry that they can't raise their Tier/League/Elo, which makes them and their teammates perform worse, which begins the whole vicious cycle all over again.

Higher level players act like teammates more often. They know when someone is having a bad game and when someone is just fucking around, and how to tell the difference. And respond PROPERLY to it. At the lower level tiers that doesn't happen. Maybe the new League system will have an affect on the amount of trolls at various levels, but it hasn't been around long enough to show any results as far as I've seen.


You're telling me the common definition of troll in Bronze is broken and wrong? You're correct. But that doesn't affect MY argument since I don't subscribe to the common definition and my original statement was not based off of it either.

When I say troll, I don't mean un-skilled players. When I say troll, I don't mean someone who is trying something new that has an actual chance of working. I mean someone being an utter bastard/toxic for no damned good reason. Prometheus is a fucking troll. Is the dude skilled? Yes he is. Is he a negative impact on the games he plays because he's a giant goddamn douchenugget? Yup! That means he's a troll in my book.

Not because of performance/what he plays, but because of his actions and his attitude and his overall impact on the game. Which is almost always negative because he rages constantly and berates others like he's the Almighty God of all things LoL.

Okay, bit off topic.

Anyway, my point is, you said it yourself, though in different words. Higher Tier/Elo/League players are less toxic in actions and attitude. Which was my point from the start.

 

k.

Except that's not what I said at all.

But k.

 

That's how it came across.

 

I agree with both ElDee and WalkingDisaster on this topic. You both make good points overall.

The point I agree with most: Prometheius is a total douchenugget. Doubt I could have put it better myself.

Regardless, everyone has different definitions of what a true troll is. I play Viktor support, Fenraellis plays tank AP Veigar, Kellros will play mid Tryndamere. All troll picks by most people's definitions. We've had it work stupid well on multiple occasions, and fail horrifically like screen doors on a submarine.

Overall, you're going to encounter trolls no matter what tier you're in. You could be in Bronze and never come across trolls, and then get to Gold and get nothing but trolls. Or vice versa. You can't really simply define a tier.

 

The problem is that the term "troll" is used too broadly. Promethius rages, but I'd hardly call him a troll. He still plays normally despite everything else, so a quick mute will solve the problem. I agree with ElDee's point, which is proven by Walkingdisaster's. ElDee basically states that lower elo labels almost every negative impact to the game as "troll." Which, coincides with Walkingdisaster's definition. I swear, 1200 ADC calls supports "trolls" if they even dare to take a single CS.

 

I am unsure if you mean that ElDee's point is proven by my Definition of troll being the same as everyone elses, or if you mean that my definition supports ElDee's point because the attitude of others in bronze is trollish by..my defintion? Which would confuse me, because that was what I was stating to start and what ElDee was arguing against.

Because, if the first one: No, no it doesn't. I stated specifically that my definition of troll does not include mechanical performance or skill in the game, but was instead based on attitude and impact on the game in that regard.

If the Latter: Clarify, your wording is confusing and I'm almost positive I'm misunderstanding.

 

Not had any what I would call 'real' trolls since I hit ranked thankfully. You get some odd picks mind you (Like Thresh top vs Garen, Caitlyn top vs Zed, leading to someone dodging) but so long as people are competent with the champion they're playing, I don't mind. Though if it's someone like Heimer, I'd rather we win inside 25 minutes before he becomes nothing other than a damage-sponge for all of 1 second.

As for Urgot vs Trundle... Depends what you're into. Trundle can be so frustrating with his god damn Dildo permanently being around when he has enough CDR but apparently his Q and thus main source of damage is bugged vs champions, doing a flat 0 to them. Urgot, I feel like he needs a good early (which combined with Taric he's bound to have, given ArP on him + shatter and ban, easy double kill) or else he doesn't do much. He gets tanky and has good poke (to an extent) though arguably I'd say he's only good for his ult by ;ate-game - Again, that's just my opinion as I very rarely ese him outside pro play and even there, he needs to be fed or he just does nothing, like most adc's I guess. You could use him top, but it's a tad risky given his lack of escape and CC of any form bar his ult.

 

True story.

 

I've been taking Leona into the Twisted Treeline lately...She wrecks face there. I optimally like being teamed up with two carries, or a bruiser and a carry. Not even attempting kill steals, I went 15/6/20 in my last game. She can chase where no one else dares. So much CC people can't get away.

Next time, try to make a dent.

 

And then the enemy took an Olaf.

 

God. My bane. He just does not give a fuck.

 

I thought that was Mundo?

As for Twisted Treeline compositions, I've found that a CC tank(Like Leona), an AP champ of some sort(I prefer playing Swain or Rumble for tanky AP), and a Bruiser(Olaf, Darius, Vi, Jax), tends to work pretty well.