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Discussion in 'Tech Support' started by Riley, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. Nuit

    Nuit Dark Lord

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    Didn't feel like making a new thread for this and this one pretty much says what it need. I'm going to assemble a new PC but I wanted some advice as how I might save some money, if I can. Here's my current list of parts. My budget is $740, possibly $800+ if I could get my brother to chip in.

    Case ($54.99)
    Rosewill LINE-M Micro-ATX Mini Tower Computer Case, Dual USB 3.0, come with Dual Fans, Support up to 4 Fans, 12.5" card
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147166

    Processor ($219.99)
    Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

    Motherboard ($109.99)
    ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157296

    Memory ($66.99)
    CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233196

    SSD/Hard Drive ($114.99)
    SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147163

    Power Supply ($29.99)
    Rosewill RV350-2 350W ATX 12V v2.2 Power Supply
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182023

    Monitor ($119.99)
    Acer S220HQLAbd Black 21.5" 5ms LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ACM 100,000,000:1 (1000:1)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009316

    DVD Drive
    I'll probably just use the one I have in my current PC.

    Video Card
    AMD Radeon HD 6450 (Can't really afford a better one with my budget)
     
  2. Comnenus

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    Can I ask what sort of things you are expecting to use the computer for? Are you a gamer at all? Photoshop?

    It's hard to say at the moment but honestly your build looks very unbalanced at the moment.
     
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    This is why I'm asking around. :3

    Yeah, I wanna be able to play most, if not all, at minimum quality at least. Not much photoshop-ing planned but I do like to tinker around with CS2 every now and then. Other than that, just browsing the internet.
     
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    Two further questions, your current budget is ok, but are you planning on investing any more money in it at all soon. Because some choices are dependent on how upgrade happy you are. That is to say are you happy to have say limited graphics capability for a bit knowing you will have another 150 or 200 bucks to spend on a graphics card in a month or so. Or once you have spent your budget is that it for a long time?

    Secondly, I notice you haven't budgeted for Windows. Do you have a valid copy or are you perhaps *cough cough* planning on downloading Linux.
     
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    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    I think you can do better in your price range, personally. I don't have time to go through and find the links but with your budget I'd think you could manage to get in at least a 7770 card, and probably a 7850. The PSU is also a bit iffy, but the the Corsair Builders series has been on sale lately for pretty cheap and you might pick up a 430w or 500w there.
     
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    Hrm, I decided to use Part Picker as it may be easier. Changed some parts around and removed the monitor for now. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/K9c4

    I would like to be able to possibly upgrade in the future. As for OS, I suppose I could give Linux a try, or just borrow a Win7 OS from my brother in law.
     
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    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Consider some of these parts as alternatives, in my opinion:
    GPU: 7770 or 7850
    PSU: Corsair Builders 430w or 500w
    Case: Corsair 200R (but really a case is a case, if you like yours keep it - obviously)
    Hard Drive: Spinpoint F3 320GB (same price as your 250gb) or the 640gb for only $10 more.

    You could also probably get the i5 3450 and be fine, though you wouldn't be able to overclock. That might let you shave a few dollars off the mobo as well, plus you wouldn't need a special CPU fan. Then again I'm not super clear on the performance change from the 3450 to the 3570k so double check I suppose.
     
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    I decided to take all your suggestions Cheddar, the only reason I wanted an SSD is because they're supposed to be faster OS startup times. Here's an updated part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/K9ym
     
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    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Getting an SSD is worth it if you can fit it into your budget. I suggest the Crucial M4 or the Samsung 840 (which I think you had selected). But you still want something larger for general storage.

    If you are really on a tight budget you could probably get by with a 64GB one instead of the 128GB -- enough room for your OS, a few apps, and whatever your current favorite game is.

    Looks pretty good though. You've still got a little wiggle room in your $740 budget, so give it a bit longer and see if anyone else chimes in.

    As usual I'll also suggest asking on HardForum.com -- they're great. But DLP is people you know, which in many cases carries more weight (at least for me). Just something to consider.
     
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    Here are my recommendations for a build that is about right for your budget:

    Processor
    Motherboard
    RAM
    Graphics Card
    Hard Drive
    Power Supply
    Case

    The total for all the parts is about 686 dollars which should just about leave enough for a monitor. It hits all the base attributes for a good midrange gaming rig. Quad Core processor, 2 gig 7850, 8 gigs of RAM and plenty of storage for games, with good reliable parts in a decent budget case.
     
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    Good choices, the Carbide 200R case is also an excellent alternative to the case I suggested. I would just warn you, that the hard drive you have listed is 2.5 inch instead of a 3.5. I'd suggest you replace it with a 3.5 inch model of hard drive and also it is a 5200 rpm drive. If you are getting a single mechanical hard drive as your main drive on a system build you at least want a 7200 rpm drive otherwise you will have to put up with some torturous boot times and load times in games.

    I also suggested the 500 watt version instead of the 430 watt power supply. It is up to you when it comes to that, the build you have should be fine on 430 watts but you are beginning to butt up against it. I suggested the 500 watt to give you some leeway for PSU degradation and incase you decide to later add any more internal hard drives or perhaps shove in a less frugal graphics card. Neither choice is wrong as such but I always prefer to leave a bit of leeway. My own i5, 7850, single internal hard drive build uses a 530 watt Bequiet PSU (good brand but not available in the US sadly).
     
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    Hrm, very well, I switched out the Drive and PSU I had for yours. Also, what advantage does your 7850 have over the 7770 Cheddar suggested? Other than the AMD Gift coupon: Bioshock Inf. + Tomb Raider?
     
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    The 7850 is a better card than the 7770. However I am wary of the HIS brand, as well as many of the other "cheap" brands. The Gigabyte card I suggested for the 7850 would be my preference if you get the nicer card (which is probably worth it). The 7770 was a cheaper alternative if your budget couldn't handle the 7850.

    Edit: Yeah, a 3.5" hard drive wouldn't be a bad idea. I suggested 2.5" as that's what you'd had initially I think. Not a big difference in quality that I know of, just difference in installation (I think).
     
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    Well like you mentioned that is like a 100 bucks worth of up to date games. Though of course YMMV depending on how much the genres appeal.

    As for the cards themselves, the 7770 is a good low end performer especially at lower resolutions but its limited resolutions but at the modern standard of 1080p it suffers and any level of anti aliasing is probably beyond it.

    The 2 gig 7850 on the other hand is an excellent performer for the price and should give you at least medium if not high settings with some level of AA at 1080p. It has also got excellent overclocking potential if you want to go into that, and often you can push it beyond 7870 levels of performance.

    For 1080p gaming I really wouldn't want to go below a 7850. It delivers at the minimum medium level beyond console visual details (and often higher) alongside some AA and good frame rates of 45 or above fps.

    They are both good performers for their price though and certainly not bad cards, it really is up to you. What level of experience do you think worthwhile compared to the relative costs.
     
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    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Ah that's a good point -- I'd linked the 1GB 7850. No wonder the cost was the same. The 2GB would be nicer, though the Gigabyte version is a bit more.

    I have a 6850 and it's doing fine still at 1080p. Not sure how the 7770 compares to it.
     
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    HIS is fine, if a little unknown. Here are some benchmarks from the HIS 7850, and as you can see, it can handle Battlefield 3 at 1920x1200 on full settings with and average of ~30 fps (but keep in mind that you won't have the exact same system they tested with, so your performance may vary).

    A pretty good choice for that price. Of course the Gigabyte version is more powerful since it's overclocked (and has the better cooler, which gives it even more OC potential), but if you want to save some money you should be fine with the one from HIS.
     
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    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Er, I know the benchmarks are fine. I was referring to quality in terms of "overheating" and "breaking sooner than other brands" and "bad customer service." But that's just what I've heard -- I've never had one nor have I heard negative comments from a source that I trust completely. Just gossip I suppose?
     
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    With regards to the GPU, look at this for a quick reference. Use it to narrow down your search and then look at specific benchmarks. Good reviews can be found at that site, as well as Anandtech and Bit-Tech to name a few.
     
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    Someone on another site suggested a downgrade to an i3, This is what I've got so far http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KgqS

    Also, Seems I had my numbers mixed up, I've got $704, not $740. :(
     
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