Guess which one of those guys you listed lacks both a penis and any cc.

After Caitlyn, my favorite ADC is Miss Fortune because she can chunk silly people thinking that creeps will protect them. Tristana, Ashe and Sivir are the only other ones I own and I prefer them in that order because they're not as pew-pew fun as Cait.

 

Which is why I said pair her with a CC bot

Fiora, Master Yi and Tryndamere all scale harder than their ranged counterparts, they just need help getting to their target without being poked full of holes. Pair them up with a good Leona, Blitzcrank, Nautilus, Shen, Rammus, Amumu, Fiddlesticks or anyone else who can just land some CC and let them get close.

They still get fucked over in team fights of course, so it's not exactly tournament viable. If they don't surrender at 20 because you dominated their bot lane, you're left desperately split pushing and trying to backdoor turrets while your team rages at you for not picking Caitlyn.

 

Pantheon and Vi bot lane, fun stuff.

 

Jarvan Leona has a 98% success rate in lane for me, and a 70% win rate overall for me, when I play with my friend Juede. We've practiced it enough that we know our strengths and weaknesses, and we coordinate it well.

Jarvan is the single greatest compliment to Leona in the game during the lane phase. Leona with an ADC will have difficulty proccing her abilities. Her bind lasts like .75 seconds before she stuns or they escape with generic adc escape ability. Other ADCs -can- definitely proc both instances of Leona's passive, but Jarvan does it consistently. Leona zenith blades and Jarvan E's, Leona stuns and Jarvan Qs, Leona's shield explodes and Jarvan's autoattack procs it. Other carries do great with Leona and she is a strong support all the time.

But Jarvan Leona is a combo that can 100-0 wombo-combo a bitch at level 2, and simultaneously isn't reliant on that wombo to stay in the game. Even playing from behind, hitting level 6 is a guaranteed kill, because you -cannot- escape from Jarvan/Leona with ults up, and the burst damage in an E/Q/R combo from both Jarvan and Leona is enough to crush a carry through 3 doran's, a barrier, and a heal/shield from the support.

 

I play Varus or Miss Fortune in the botlane. Rarely ever play Cait.

 

I've played every ADC in save Twitch (because I don't own him).

Ashe is my favorite, bar none, simply because I love the champion as a whole. She's not as good as most of the others in most situations, but I prefer her anyway.

Sadly she gets outperformed by Varus in pretty much every meaningful way.

Can I just say I hate Draven. I pick the guy occasionally and every time I pick him I am reminded of why I hate his guts.

One, I can't catch axes with any consistency. And the recent change to his axes landing positions has made him literally impossible for me to play, since I can't catch axes more than twice in a row now.

Two, I don't understand how to play him in a teamfight. I never know when to catch an axe and when not to catch an axe, and I can't keep track of him and his axes and the enemy.

Three, he's a dick. The sheer amount of damage he puts out in lane is dumb. Really, really dumb. There are literally zero ways to trade with a Draven in lane, unless you are Caitlyn, who can auto and back up before Draven can get in range to trade back unless he hits W. Everyone else just has to stay the hell away because he can kill you in three autos.

I can't think of a single champion in the game that wins lane as hard as Draven straight up. Not one. In every other lane there is something you can do, but not against goddamn Draven. If you trade he kills you, if you don't, he out farms you, and heaven forbid your Support ever gets in his AA range, because chances are they're even squishier than you.

At least he's hard as hell to play in a teamfight, which is pretty much his only balancing factor.

Seriously, screw Draven and everyone who plays him. Including me when I try.

On a more serious and less hyperbolic note, playing Caitlyn is like playing Draven but without the "I kill you in three attacks" thing. Poke the enemy away because they can't trade with you, out-CS them, win lane.

Playing bot lane:

1. Learn Caitlyn and Draven
2. Play Caitlyn and Draven
3. ???
4. Profit

 

Trundle is Troll Draven.

No seriously, listen to his new lines.

I think the only 3 ADCs I consistently enjoy playing are Draven, Graves, and Caitlyn because they're such huge douches in lane. I hate the passive "farm forever" champs like Vayne. I'd rather go aggressive with those three and score kills.

 

If you are simply talking about trading in lane, Miss Fortune can easily trade evenly or come out ahead as long as it's not a continuous trade. Caitlyn, if you are fast enough, can go lolol and put a trap where his axe lands. Ashe can actually farm safely, as a quick W if a Draven tries to poke will slow him enough/damage that the trade should more or less be okay (this lane is a bit tougher depending on the supports though).

All the other adc just has to be more careful, or get a Nunu as your support

 

Caitlyn is the easiest AD to play, and she's not bad either like Ashe.

I prefer Ezreal, Graves, Corki and Twitch the most. After maining AD in S2 I have a lot of experience with all of them, including a high of 70% win rate with Graves. Which I'm super proud of.

Vayne can be super aggressive too, but it definitely depends on the matchup. Level Q and when you buy your BF sword you can usually trade really well.

My personal favorite bruiser bottom is Jarvan and Lee Sin. And coming in a close second is the good old Blitz Alistar.

 

Lissandra is shit. 18s CD passive. Q mana costs are buttfucking insane for a poke mage and require target bouncing to actually be decent poke. W is meh escape since it's only a very short root at really high CDs. E is piss-easy to dodge since it's as slow or slower than Nidalee spear, is about as wide as Noc's Q, and can be CC'd out of the teleport.

R is fun though, but Liss doesn't really have much to back it up with outside average damage on crazy high CDs.

 

> Champ goes on PBE.
> Champ gets universally declared underpowered.
> Champ gets hotfix nerfed the week of release.

 

I'd rather that happen than a really pathetic/unappealing champ at start, such as Yorick, Sejuani, and Syndra coming out.

 

I don't know, I think Sejuani has basically remained where she's been, with slight buffs. She's always been okay (an AOE range stun can never be bad), just that her kit is so freaking boring that not many people plays her. Agree with the other two though.

And, most of the time these "OP" champs at release are hardly as strong as people make it out, just that kit is different and they don't like getting killed by unknowns. It's really dumb tbh. It's why the top junglers/laners has remain basically static, because nobody likes it when a new champion may be able to take those spots.

 

Regarding Sej I'm actually quite excited given her remake on the PBE. I've not had chance to try it but it looks rather good on the whole, her W going down to 4 second duration isn't amazing but with maxed CDR you can probably get 100% uptime on it, though I don't like the sound of that much CDR on Sej myself. Not entirely sure if they've removed her health-scaling damage amplification.

 

Getting 40% CDR on her would be pretty easy, you'll have Spirit of the Ancient Golem (10%), Frozen Heart (20%), Iceborn Gauntlet (15%) and Spirit Visage (10%). All of them would be good choices, so I don't see that being a problem.

She has Bonus health scaling on her W and enemy Max Health scaling on her Q.

 

Locket + Fheart + Golem = maxed CDR sej already.

Sej's W still has HP scaling, but it feels like the AOE has been reduced a bit.

 

Yeah, I forgot about several items having CDR even though I regularly build some of them, Golem being a prime example. Guess it's time to start thinking up a new Sej build, or at least a consistent one as currently it feels like rushing Warmogs after a Sunfire is your best bet.

Trundle's also starting to look scary and seems like he'd be an option for top, an extremely annoying one at that given his slow and own steroids.

 

BORK + Phage + W + Ulti = deadly Trundle 1v1s. He'll consistently out-sustain you and hit faster than Jax unless Jax has been autoing crap.

And no escape cause pillar + bite = lulz.

 

Been down since half 3 or so, not sure what happened exactly as I figured it was my internet being dodgy at first, restarted LoL and, well, EUW falling over as per.

Standard free compensation for NA jokes were made, though I guess LCS is on in an hour... Was hoping they'd have fixed it by now.