It's about goddamn time.

It's not the same as earning dragon tamer outfits or completing in-game challenges for things like Ace Trainer scarves, but it's a start. I'll be happy with a start.

Which Pokemon is that? If it's early access, how do we get it?

 

They changed the XY page drastically

Go Look!

Monkey linked a part of it already though.

 

I wouldn't. That's not what Pokemon is. Pokemon is not that, and will never be that, either. I don't even know why you would want that.

I just said it seems like early access because all of the pokemon they've shown so far (excluding legendaries) are the early access pokemon. Starters, normal/flying stand in, ratatta stand in, pokemon that in general have that "cutesy" look to them. To me, Helioptile looks like a pikachu stand in, albeit a pikachu stand in that is more original than any of the other pikachu stand ins.

 

Shiny.

X got the better end of the Legendary stick this time, no doubt. It's glowing crystals and Princess Mononoke versus a giant hand-falcon.

Would anybody be interested in doing some online trading? I probably won't get both versions, but I often like to do a run of the game where I begin with all three starters, and that's really only possible if you trade.

Because getting to pick how you look when you challenge others to online fights is better than forever being a bug catcher because the last number of your trainer ID is 9. Fuck your nine, Churchey. Nobody wants to be a goddamn bug catcher.

 

I'd definitely be for trading if I get both games or if the GTS dns cheat works.

 

I was just being sarcastic about your adamant nature (pokepun) towards change when it involves anything you disagree with, while simultaneously being so vicariously supportive of adding CoD style prestige elements.

Besides, that's not how avatars work in gen V anyway.
http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/multiplayeravatar.shtml

 

I know who you were quoting.

There's a difference between wanting to look different from everyone else you battle against in a way you can actually control, and wanting to conquer the world and torture Slowpokes.

I don't want that. That's not what Pokemon is. Pokemon is not that, and will never be that. No game in the Pokemon franchise will ever allow you to do that, and I'm happy for that fact.

 

Once again, you can control it.

And no, that just sounds like a new way to grind, which we already have plenty of in pokemon. I'm glad that pokemon won't implement a prestige system. I'd much rather have Menace's idea or some form of divergent storyline.

 

First of all, are you trying to imply that Pokemon isn't about grinding?

Secondly, nobody said anything about my prestige idea. We're talking about decorations versus taking over the world, Churchey. Stay on topic, here.

 

RPGs are inevitably about "the grind". You can't escape "the grind"; many designers have tried and they always ultimately fail (I'm looking at you, SaGa series). The grind is the journey and if the journey isn't a little grindy, then the destination doesn't feel satisfying. There's some work to be done, in a good RPG. That said... I don't care for a "prestige" system.

I get that you want to play a different role in pokemon though. I too, would love to be able to become a gym leader, where you hold a position, build up some apprentice trainers to haze your challengers, then hold your title against rival teams. It seems like it would be a fun role to play. Being stuck in every pokemon game as "that stupid boy/girl who has to wander all over the place for some shallow reason" is a little old, even if it's effective enough. Being put in the role as a trainer for some organization, like Team Rocket, would be interesting. You don't need to be a dick, either, you could just be spying on them, as a double-agent.

But ultimately, pokemon isn't about that. It's about building up teams, collecting pokemon, raising pokemon, and battling people. Gamefreak should just focus on improving those elements. More "rare" pokemon to collect, more team ideas to build around via new abilities/moves, more ways to battle, more ways to specialize pokemon, et cetera

Pokemon is meant to appeal to a wide, but particular kind of audience. They can't really change the formula without calling it something else. A divergent story would be "interesting" but it wouldn't have nearly the lasting appeal as more variety in battling.

 

Someone took a screenshot and drew what looks like Gogoats pre evolution
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It's like you're fucking brain dead. In what way does

imply that pokemon isn't about grinding? Reading comprehension is really hard.

And you're right, I'm sorry. I'll try to stay on topic but the retardation behind all your ideas just kind of blends together.

 

It must be, because you implied it in part where you're bitching about it. If you admit that Pokemon is a game about grinding, then please explain why new and novel ways of grinding is a bad idea?

Since you apparently actually want to start an argument now, fine, I'll oblige you. How is prestiging a bad idea? The most annoying thing about Pokemon is that once you've done everything, you've really got not much left to do. Random Encounter Legendaries that also flee at every opportunity can only pad out the gametime artificially for so long. Once you get to the end, the only thing left to do is to either play the endgame until it gets old, fight your friends, or obssess about minmaxing EVs and stat gains to the umpteenth power.

My idea gives you another option. Bank everything, start over, pick a new starter, and play the game again. It's like deleting your save file and starting the game all over, except once you beat the Elite Four, you get all your old stuff back.

Explain to me how this is 'retarded?' Especially since you're holding it up in comparison to joining the likes of Team Aqua?

I agree that that would be fun. I'd probably want to play it myself. But the thing is, that's not "Pokemon" anymore. That would be a resource-management game that is taking place in the Pokemon universe.

And I'd be totally fine with that. I would play the hell out of some kind of Pokemon X-COM where you create the Pokemon-universe equivalant of S.H.I.E.L.D, train Pokemon and elite trainers in spying and open combat, and protect the world from criminal organizations like Team Rocket and Team Galactic, and neutralize threats like random Legendary appearances.

That would be extremely entertaining.

But it wouldn't be a Pokemon game anymore. It would be taking place in the Pokemon universe, but being a Pokemon game and just existing in the general neighboorhood are two different things.

 

Everytime you post I want to get a puppy, name it Lord Raine, then punch it in the face.

You want to do everything in a Pokemon game. Then restart but keep all of the items? Because you really need those Hyper Potions at level 10 right?

You feel the bad part of Pokemon is that they end? They should just have it as a downloadable game that comes out once then updates with more content every week then is what you're saying.

You know nothing of economics, game design, or thought.

 

Reading comprehension really must be hard. I mean damn.

Do you want to try and figure out your goof, or should I go ahead and tell you?

 

Pokemon is more widely recognized by kids today than Comic Book Characters/Disney Characters/Cartoon Characters. In the west or in Japan, Pokemon is still going strong, after two decades now. I think it's unfair to suggest something like that. Nintendo is Japanese and a publisher first; they want to push their console and they have established relationships with many Japanese stores. Nintendo isn't about making the best game it can, it's about making the best profit and maintaining the largest leverage in the industry. Pokemon is still showing no signs of decaying in strength so there's no pressure to change anything significantly. Nintendo is also doing a lot better than Microsoft and Sony, who failed to turn profits on both of their major platforms this generation.

So I think your judgment is a little unfair. Would downloadable updates make sense to make the game better? Yes. But selling a whole new iteration of the game on a cartridge means you have to buy the latest Nintendo console to play it, it also means that any updates to the game must be paid for to be enjoyed. It also is a way of exciting you - I'm always excited by the newest pokemon game, because I always wonder how they'll update things. If we had an update once or twice a month (or whatever), that "majesty" goes away.

Nintendo is a business and they probably have tight reigns on Gamefreak.

 

Yeah "Get everything back after the Elite 4" So you just want to play the game again and then not do any of that pesky pesky post-game stuff again. I stand by my point.

Chime: You make the same point I was making.

 

I am? Then I completely misunderstood your point somehow.

I'm going to bed. /headdesk

 

You didn't. He's said nothing that matches even slightly what you have. He's just trying to piggyback onto a legitimate point so he doesn't come across as a total troll.

 

Everytime Raine posts I'm reminded of Jbern's TLIL

Stop trying to put words in my mouth or make strawmans you can tear down to feel accomplished.

Pokemon has plenty of grinding to keep you busy. It's already got plenty of postgame content between catching and trading for 649 (soon to be ~750) pokemon, breeding IVmonsters or shinies, leveling and EV training pokemon to level 100, putting together your base in the dream world, playing the PWT/battle subway (try going on a 100+win streak in the battle subway and fighting ubers before you dismiss what pokemon has for endgame) and then all of the multiplayer battling as well.

Your idea to add another method of grinding is fucking stupid. Pokemon has plenty of grinding available already. Every single time you want to reach a new level? Grind. Every time you want to get to level 100? Grind. Every time you want to EV train? Grind. Get an egg? Grind. Hatch an egg? Grind. Catch a rare pokemon? Grind. The entire game is a grind and your suggestion is to add a stupider version of it. Gameplay is a bit stale? LET'S ADD A "REPEAT" BUTTON!

That's beyond fucking retarded. But you somehow can't comprehend that "Pokemon has enough grinding already" doesn't mean "Pokemon isn't about grinding." :facepalm

Because your solution to "the endgame gets stale" is "let them play through the entire thing again!" That's fucking stupid. And stop fucking mis-characterizing other people's arguments so you can pretend to be smart through your witty retarded insults. Menace didn't say "It'd be cool to do everything the bad guys do wrong, except do it alongside them!" He said it would be interesting if the wandering child protagonist, instead of single-handedly saving the world, joined the "evil team" and did something with that instead. It would be interesting if the same storyline for the last 5 generations was changed and a modicum of choice was given to the RPG element.

Hardly "selling slowpoketales," but then you wouldn't be able to hurl frivolous insults around like a tween on her first period.

Adding a prestige system isn't adding anything to the game but a new method of grinding that would appeal to elitism and get really old, really fast. If I want to play the game again, I'll play the game again. That's not a solution to your perceived lack of end-game content.