Hell, something hat to happen to allow both siblings to take an antagonic position in the story.

Until hat moment, nothing that Jofrey did, really interfered with Harry, it would always exist the possibility at a reconciliation of sorts.

Now, from that moment fowards there isn't.


Not only that , but the seeds for the event were properly planted in advance, and, with that, to the reader, even if a predictable event, it makes sense in the narrative proper.

On the other hand, even if a cliche of sorts, it is a very usefull tool to put the readers in the rigth mindset, and exactly because of that, it is overused, sometimes without technic, other, like in this one, it is used properly, improving the tale, by bringing conflit and emotions to the story that, otherwise would be laking.

 

I hoped Aeryn doesn't get fridged, that would be dissapointing.

 

Indeed, poor Aeryn, having to deal with her friend seeing her get raped.

Side characters are characters too, and rape storylines are almost impossible to do well. Frankly, it was a foolish decision that was designed to introduce conflict between Harry and Joffrey.

Which is fine, just not exactly stellar writing.

It also would've been more powerful had I not known it was coming since the second she was introduced.

 

I knew something was coming, but not that bad. Until then, I didn't know if Cxjenious was going to treat his characters as callously as GRRM. It wasn't a surprise that there were repercussions for Harry's behaviour, but it was still a powerful and shocking scene for both me and the protagonist. It was effective, without being crass or gratuitous.

I strongly dislike rape as character growth - it's cheap and disrespectful - but here it just worked.

 

What.

¯\(°_o)/¯

 

I believe this is what Anya means. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StuffedIntoTheFridge

Either that or not wanting sex anymore...

If the former, it seems it's already happened though.

 

You know what I meant. The story is written from Harry's point of view, so everything we see/read is what Harry is thinking, and how that affects him. When we read about the aftermath, we aren't privy to her thoughts beyond what Harry sees. We're privy to how Harry feels about any given thing. It'd be the same thing if his dad/brother/whatever was murdered. Don't be an ass.

And, let's be honest, there was plenty of conflict between Harry and Joffrey before that. And honestly, beyond the 'ick' factor, I don't see why you think it was done bad. Rape happens in Westeros, and on a pretty regular basis. Now, is it distasteful? Yes, but honestly, I'd have been more surprised if she had just gotten away unharmed. Joffrey is a vindictive asshole, and it's dangerous as shit being lowborn in Westeros. In one of the books, a highborn girl was raped by something like fifty people in a riot.

 

Fridging implies the death of Aeryn.

EDIT: nm. Nuit has the right of it.

 

Found this story and I like this story, especially how Tywin is being built up. But it's a little odd after watching s3 finale snippets on youtube and listening to Tywin telling Tyrion to his face he thought about throwing him into the ocean but didn't because even a dwarf mother-killer is a Lannister. How much of that is about the House all the time that Tywin goes on about and how much of that is just being cruel? Consistently telling Tyrion he's a killer by being born, how shit he is, on and on. Honestly, if Tyrion weren't a dwarf and the fact that as a dwarf in Westeros, being a member of the richest family means that even being treated like shit is better than on the outside, Tyrion might have cut and run and lived his own life.

That's the thing that gets me and I hope the author covers more, because Tyrion was pulled off really well, especially in the chapter 4 back and forth in the brothel. Tyrion is mad that Harry was made heir and he was passed over. Understandable. But (and I know the anger is not rational) did Tyrion ever expect Tywin to hand over the keys to the kingdom? The show pulls off the dynamic wonderfully. Tywin constantly and indirectly cuts at Tyrion all the time but still uses him and Tyrion allows himself to be used. Is this because despite being treated like crap the Lannister gold allows him to live like he wants? 'Tywin can say shit all he likes, but I'll spend his gold on wine and whores.' A petty revenge? Tyrion has a sharp mind but enjoys living down Tywin's demands of a Lannister?

I think above all, the author is doing a good job of showing how Harry is learning from all these movers and shakers around him. Even if Tyrion might think Harry too young and naive, talking to Harry about the Westerosi classes and the peasants is engaging for him. Joffrey wouldn't even think to ask or even to care, even if Tyrion thinks Harry needs to grow up and don't look at the social situation from an angle of equality. Harry is thinking, and Tyrion and Tywin might appreciate that. Tywin would work to sharpen Harry in the appropriate direction. Chapter 6 was secondhand accounts of Tywin and what he did to secure position. Kevan talking about how Tywin's father was a weak Lord and invited disrespect is important. As is what Tywin did to cement loyalty with the new Baratheon(sp?) regime. I think what Harry might take away is that blood and death and cruelty is a necessary evil in order to effect change in Westeros, controlling the level of barbarism, the severity of damage is important. If the smallfolk expect that they will suffer and be brutalized and be raped when the Lords play the Game of Thrones, if Harry plays and does his best to make sure his fighting men don't turn into beasts, that will leave an impression.

Thoughts?

 

Wasn't she also mentally disabled?

Heh. Considering Gail Simone's latest story (The Movement #1) has would-be rapist cops, pedophile castrators and urban gangs attacking cops trying to confront demonic invasions and being blatant dicks for the sake of being blatant dicks, I find her role in the innovation of the trope somewhat amusing.

 

Found this and loved it. It feels a lot of times more of an ASoIaF crossover than a Game of Thrones crossover, but it's great nonetheless.

A few problems though: I had no idea when the events in the story were taking place in regards to GoT. It wasn't until I read this thread that I figured out when it was taking place. The entire time I was thinking that Ned Stark was going to show up. I'd suggest making it clear in the first chapter when exactly the story is taking place.

The other is in the latest chapter, with the sheer number of characters introduced in the span of a single paragraph and then barely mentioned again. Since with the sheer number of characters (and my poor talent at remembering names; I go by faces mostly) I have to look up even some of the main(-ish) characters, I grew too confused as to who was who and whether they were a knight or squire or whatever. If they are important, perhaps a character introduction at a time rather than all at once would work better.


As for the 'rape as a cheap plot device', I'd agree if it was any other setting. It's not even a GRRM-exclusive bit, it was common in real-life as well. There's apparently a story about Sir Lancelot who was pining for a girl (Guinevere, maybe?), and Sir Galahad told him to just go out and rape a local girl. Chivalry existed only for the nobles--a whore's daughter would get no such protection.

 

Yeah, she was. I'm not gonna lie, that one scene was just like "Oh, come on, George. Really? Really?"

Edit for Anya:

Spoiler

Yep.

 

Spoiler

Didn't Bronn marry her?

 

Spoiler

And name the kid Tyrion

 

Not really. Even without that incident, Joffrey is terrible enough to induce conflict all on his own. Harry was convinced he was beyond vile before the rape scene came about.

The whole thing was about opening Harry's eyes to the cruelties of the world. How it would change Harry's and Joffrey's relationship was an afterthought.

But what makes it foolish?

Mr. Black said it best.

But riddle me this: had Harry been a Stark in Winterfell, would you have 'known' Aeryn would be raped?

I don't think you would've. And she wouldn't have been raped in the first place. That begs the question, how did you all know? Outside of my foreshadowing?

You know the characters. You know the world. Of course you expected something to happen. You read Harry Potter and he does magic, so you expect magic in every book after that. And you expect magic in Harry Potter fanfiction.

You read 'A Song of Ice and Fire' and woman are raped. A lot. You come to expect it. Roose Bolton kept girls in stocks for men to rape. As someone already mentioned, a woman is raped by a crowd of fifty men. Wildlings 'stealing' women? Rape. Need I mention the Mountain at all? Or the Ironborn?

Only a fool wouldn't expect some sort of rape scene, given that.

I added an AN to the first chapter denoting the year the story starts in.

You're just going to have to bear with me. Lol, they'll be mentioned again in subsequent chapters. Hopefully the distinction between them will become clearer for you in the future. Just think of each one as a sort of 'Chekhov's gun'.

It would leave quite the impression, on enemies and allies alike.

 

On the topic of Casterly Rock, are the ghosts in the Red Keep a phenomena specific to that place, or do they just pop up anywhere with a ton of history?

Casterly Rock is far older than the Red Keep, goes back more than 10,000 years if the Age of Heroes is indeed accurate. Might be overflowing with ghosts. Then again, the Age of Heroes is vague enough to just be a legend.

 

Oh there's no great evil in doing a rape storyline. Westeros is a shitty place, and like you said, the fact that it was set in King's Landing was a huge indication that something terrible was going to happen.

The thing is, GRRM doesn't tend to have rape victims as major characters.

If you can pull it off, fantastic, but rape storylines are, as I said, nearly impossible to do well.

 

Just realised that even though I have been spamming this thread I never even voted.

The fact that I come in here and check my favorites on FFN everyday for updates or even just discussion about it is enough to varrant a 5/5 from me.

Keep it up Cxjenious!

 

Legality alert - George RR Martin has stated that he will sue fanfic authors using the SoI&F verse to defend his copyright. Not that I agree with it, but just so you know:

GRRM does NOT approve.


"All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you."

-Joss Whedon

 

Lucky that cxjenenaasnfldas used the TV ages.