Everything wrong with the Tower is Zahard's fault? Not in my opinion. The only really 'bad stuff happens' we've seen is when people try to climb the Tower when they're not strong enough to do so. And the rampant death that follows. The average peasant seems decently content. Zahard's empire is the only rule in the tower, without them it'd be total anarchy and chaos. Like any empire that rules with power, it has its downsides and upsides. I personally feel pretty much neutral towards Zahard and his people at the moment.

FUG, on the other hand? Criminal organization, takes hostages to manipulate you to do what they want? Yeah, a bunch of dickbags who should die.

 

Did you miss all the stuff in part one about how Rankers can use the people like cattle, or the more recent stuff with Jinsung about how the Ten Families can do the same with anyone? Or the backstory stuff with Serena and Ho that showed there was no real law to speak of in the outer Tower? Or rather, none that actually protected the people. The floors are ruled by the Rulers, who are Rankers set up there by Zahard, and they certainly don't help the common people or protect them. The people can never do anything about this because they haven't climbed the Tower and as such are effectively ruled by Gods.

The outer tower is made to be a shithole where Rankers can do what they want with power they never would have had if it weren't for the Regular system set up by Zahard, since originally the only ones who could climb the Tower were those who could open the door. It's this way so that people will be desperate enough to become Regulars. Where they'll fight and die and very very few of them will become High Rankers, who are confirmed to exist so that Zahard can climb higher, as all Rankers that come from the system technically count as Zahards servants and can be used to conquer floors.

 

Eh... fair enough. I admit I just read through it and didn't really think about it much. First impressions =/= actual story, looks like. Make it a tyrannical empire, then. I wonder if there's anyone who thinks otherwise~ I'm interested in seeing a pro-Zahard opinion of the thing.

 

I'm not really concerned about the big picture story of the Tower universe, though, as callous-sounding as I'll readily admit that to be. I'm concerned about Baam and his story. FUG were the ones responsible for ruining his life and enslaving and tormenting him. So, fuck them. It's not any more complicated than that to me. I have no sympathy for them and think they've earned whatever fuck you Baam gives them on his way out the door. Which, I hope includes stealing or (better) destroying their anti-Zahard superweapon so they can never use it. Given the kind of behavior we've seen out of FUG every time they've appeared in the comic, I see no reason to want anything but for them to choke on a bag of cocks. Certainly I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that their rule would be the slightest bit fairer or gentler than the Zahard Empire's. I'm sure all those orphaned children sacrificed to their precious Thorn research would agree with that sentiment.

But Jinsung can still leave the shithead crew and chill with Baam because he's a bro.

 

I highly doubt we'll see the end of FUG after this Story Arc, due to powerscaling a lone of the No. 1 Slayer and the other Slayers.

 

There are hundreds of powerful Rankers in the ToG universe. It doesn't stand to reason that we will see all of them, or have any need to. I could easily see FUG getting pushed out of the story in favor of exploring a new group after this arc.

Beelzebub.

Natural story progression, or is the series being cancelled? I'd heard something about how Beelzebub's Jump rankings have been routinely in the tank lately.

 

Yeouch. Just got around to reading to reading the latest chapter of beelze, and I gotta say, while I could certainly see it ending there, I really, really, hope it doesn't. Granted, if it isn't making much money it will probably get cancelled, but still. Baby Beels' first words and Oga manly tears of manliness.
Hopefully the series won't be cut and we can see Beel grow up over time, rather than just a chapter or two of summary as the last chapter a la Negima.

 

Tower of GAR.

All that needs be said.

 

More like Tower of proving I was completely right about Reflejo and crew being Karaka's puppets rather than FUG as a whole.

Also interesting to note that this means Hwa Ryun was the one who blushed when Baam ripped her clothes to make a mask. I guess she does have emotions after all.

 

Um, what? Hwa Ryun outright said that much during her convo with Koon after the events at the Hand. Doesn't change the fact that FUG are collectively a bag of shitheads for everything they've done to Baam up 'till that point. Still hoping he bails on them. It's time for him to start writing his own story and stop being a pawn for the ambitions of others.

 

If he's any kind of decent person (and he is) he'll end up killing Zahard anyway.

Hwa Ryun's comments seem to indicate this turn into a weapon plan wasn't even part of the initial faction split talked about earlier, just Karaka.

Still not seeing it. He's their absolute only hope of being free of Zahard, and they would have done literally nothing except give him power if he'd joined them after they saved his life by faking his death.

That seems pretty god damn tame to me in a crapsack world like this. For instance, again, the opposing group would have simply killed him for daring to exist. The only other group is Wingtree, and they're kind of massive dicks themselves for having the power to oppose injustice and sitting around doing nothing all day because "lol we'd rather find a way out and leave (not that we're really doing THAT either but y'know)".

 

This sounds good, except that Baam never would have been made to out himself as an Irregular had it not been for Yu Han Sung's scheming. Ren, the RED Ranker whose business an Irregular would absolutely be, was completely clueless about what Baam was until Baam revealed it. I think it's a fair enough proposition that he would have been able to climb freely and happily with his friends without FUG's bull. If Baam's life was in danger, it's because FUG deliberately placed it in danger.

I don't think them wonderful people for orchestrating everything that happened to Baam.

 

Because all the other Irregular's totally never got found out. Plus again, he's literally their only hope. Acting like they're the worst people ever when they've gone out of their way to find ways to give him both power and relative autonomy when you have an example of how easily they could have gotten what they wanted at his expense this very arc is pretty ridiculous IMO. It's like you're able to acknowledge Jinsung is a pretty awesome guy but unable to recognize there's a reason he's with FUG.

Sure, they're not wonderful people, but they're the better fucking option for sure. Seriously, he leaves FUG and climbs. Cool, then what? Does he leave Zahard alone? Then he's as massive a wanker as Urek and Enryu. Does he kill him? Then he's in exactly the same situation if he leaves or doesn't. Only without Yu Han Sung and Hwa Ryun scheming their schemes to give him more and more power.

 

The other Irregulars were GAR as fuck from the beginning (at least, the ones we do know of - Zahard and his clique, Enryu, Mazino, Phantaminum if he even counts). Baam was a weak kid more than capable of passing as a talented Regular. Perhaps he would have gotten outed sooner or later either way. We'll never know, because that route was closed from the get-go.

Worst ever is...well, they're probably not worse than any of the other power factions in the rotten ass Tower. But not better either. Again, I have seen nothing in the general character of these people that leads me to believe that they would be kinder or fairer overlords than the one they're aiming to be rid of. And like I said, I want Baam and his friends to start being the authors of their own damn novel. The pawn thing is growing tired.

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He does whatever the fucking Hell he decides to do, and not what other people decide for him. That's all I want, really.

 

Doesn't matter, because they would be ones it's possible to overthrow. I would have agreed with you right up until we were told that Zahard can't be killed except by Baam.

Yeah, that sounds nice and all, but in my opinion that just makes someone a twat. If you're the only person who can end thousands of years of tyranny and you don't because "I can do whatever I want to!" then you're a grade A asshole, and I don't think Baam is a grade A asshole. So while I'm not actually against Baam leaving FUG, I don't really think it will change much, and it's actually kind of stupid of him. Not being a pushover sure, but he doesn't really lose anything from being part of them as long as he learns to get full autonomy.

 

He loses the ability to climb and be with the people he cares about. And that literally means the world to him. That is, unless they kick Androssi out of the party. She pretty much cannot climb with a FUG, unless she's willing to ditch being a Princess (unlikely at the present juncture). And that same reasoning probably applies to a couple of the others.

 

I suppose. I hadn't really thought about her. Yihwa got away with it, but Androssi certainly seems much more of a celebrity.

Would that even change if he leaves FUG though? He's already remembered as a Slayer Candidate.

 

Anyone read UQ Holder? I find something about it charming but I'm getting a bit sick of how the main character just gets almost everything handed to him.

 

UQ Holder has some major Negima vibes. It's okay.

Tower of Awesomeness indeed. Glad Viole didn't need to get rescued. And with Thorn, he should be able to reach High Ranker in strength soon. Definitely above average Ranker.

 

That's presuming there isn't experience needed to handle it's power. Personally I don't think he's going to fighting High Rankers till late story, and we're not there yet given Enryu hasn't even made his first appearance yet. Also there's a lot of floors left we know about that will definitely be story arcs.

On UQ Holder, it's a sequel, of course it's going to have a lot of the same vibes. I stopped bothering to follow it pretty fast though. Large amounts of people seem to love Akamatsu's stuff, but this one remains yet another I can't find anything remotely interesting in. Art style's still pretty bland, the premise is not particularly inspired, and the characters seem incredibly flat. So anyone that likes his other stuff will like this I guess.