I was just reading this pretty crappy AU fic (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2951627/1/) and couldn't help but wonder why Ron and Hermoine are friends in every AU story that has harry coming to hogwarts late.
I mean lets look at Ron at the beginning of SS/PS:
He's loud
Average student
Obsessed with Quidditch
Jealous to some extent

While at the beginning of SS/PS Hermoine is:
A mudblood new to the wizarding world
Bossy
Book smart
Controlling
Doesn't like Quidditch
Thinks her shit doesn't stink

Why do authors constantly write fics were ron and hermoine are not only friends w/o harry but are also dating? Ron would probably bully hermoine for the rest of his time at hogwarts if not for Harry, hell without Harry, hermoine might've been killed by that troll in her first year. After all it was Harry's idea to save her, that's how the friendship started..

 

I agree.

I guess its just the fact that they have characters to work with, each with characteristics well known to them. I'd rather use a well known character from the HP verse in a story than an OC and be easily succumbed to Mary Sueism.

I guess they just don't think about these things. Like, how it actually 'would' happen and not how they would like it to happen.

 

Well you wouldn't need an OC. The way i see it Ron would be friends with Dean and Seamus while hermoine would be a social outcast who occasionally socializes with Neville..

 

Aye, I get that. But Harry needs to be friends with someone and there are not many developed character around Harry's age. This usually means the the author will pair Harry with Draco, Ron, or Hermione as friends.

I shouldn't have used OC in my explanation and I apologize, I was mainly refering to the characters that hardly have any personality to them, the author would have to create one, and this would most likely turn into some from of Mary Sue.

 

But, would she have died from the Troll? The reason she was in the bathroom was because she had overheard Ron's comment to Harry about the thing in Charms.

 

True never thought of that.
Dark Syaoran i have read Freelance Hero and was upset when it was abandoned. But i don't think hermoine would've been taken in or atleast she wouldn't have lasted, she's way too bossy..

 

Na, Ron would still have made that comment in first year just to someone else. Hermoines bossy and helpful (depending on your veiw) nature would have lead her to commenting on Rons poor results anyway.

 

I may not have been clear, but my point was that she may not have overheard Ron insulting her and such.

 

I think it also has to do with the fact that in some fan’s opinion JK can do no wrong and thus they MUST be together. Also most writers aren’t creative enough to form a new person for Harry to be friends with or have him have no close friends at all. After all they never do anything and he just wastes his own time teaching them crap usually.

 

i agree about hermoine but what about ron?

i would think that neither of them would be that popular because of their very hard to be around personalities.

in some independant stories its pointed out that people only put up with them because they are friends with harry and people realize that they have to if they want to be around harry also.

while of course jkr would contribute it to them "growing up" its just an appeasing of the masses.

 

I think that Hermione would be an outcast, and Ron would hang out with Dean and Seamus. While he is hard to be around he's obsessed with quidditch which seems to be the only sport in the magical world. I know that half of my friends i would never have been friends with if not for the fact that we played sports with each other for years.

On another note, most of the fics i read where Harry is late to school, or is sorted into another house dont have Ron and Hermione being friends, maybe i just haven't read many, or maybe i got lucky.

 

Hermione might be an outcast of sorts from Gryffindor but I can see her getting together with the Ravenclaws.

But yeah there is no reason for Hermy and Ron to be good friends without Harry around. He is the buffer for their personalities. I mean both are stubborn and pig-headed, just in different fields. Ron I think would become a snobbish, bully (like Malfoy) while Hermione would become even more of a bookworm.

Of course if an author changes the personalities of the two then they could become friends.

 

Ron also has Fred and George as brothers and they are loved by everyone so that's someone for ron to cling on to. Hermoine is thrown into a situation where she knows no one..

 

Something's that always troubled me, if Ron was good enough at chess to defeat a Magical Chess board that had been meant to stop adults, why didn't the intelligence spill over to other factors of his life? Yes, I understand people can be lazy, but to play such good chess at 11 that you're commended by da headmaster... not a small feat.

But then, do you remember the manner in which the match went? He sacrificed himself, and One move later, the other king surrendered! I've been playing chess for a few years, and that blatant a sacrifice can succeed only if
i) It's forced.
ii) The other player is a total dumbass.

If it's forced then it's probably a brilliant Sequence of moves, or just plain blind luck. If it was a brilliant sequence of moves, then, yes, Ron, it could be said, is a smart player, and person, in general. (Stupid people don't make good chess players) But since that intelligence doesn't really manifest itself otherwise, I’d go for blind luck. In that case he's an idiot, perhaps and average player, and treat him as such. (If you’re playing the game for a while, then the inertia you accumulate, the repository of sequences and all, can overcome smarter newcomers for a while).

ii) If the chess board played shit, then one:
It was cursed by Squirrel
Or:
It was made to be shit by Dumbles.
Proof he's a manipulative bastard.

(Okay...)

In anyways, discount Ron, Harry can have many better friends.


Hermione: well, since I'm not sure I'll be using her or not, so not going to comment.

 

I don't think Ron's as good at chess it's really Harry just being shit at it. But i've always measured Ron's character in a positive light because he was always there for Harry.
PS/SS: Was Harry's 2nd, sacrificed himself (chess) for harry/hermoine to move on, he also was happy for harry making the Quidditch team as a 1st year.
CoS: Believed Harry and stuck up for him when just about everyone else thought he was the heir of Slytherin, and followed Harry into the Chamber. He also rescued harry from the Dursleys, and lets not forget him sticking up for Hermoine when Malfoy called her a Mudblood.
PoA: Stuck up for Harry when he got a Firebolt and WASN'T JEALOUS over Harry's good fortune. He also helped harry in the Shrieking Shack.
GoF: After Ron got over his jealousy, he helped harry research for the tasks.
OOTP: Followed Harry to the DoM and supported harry with the DA.
The book that shall not be named: Was supportive of Harrys use of the potions book.

 

About the chess game, it wasnt played by normal rules as the three of them had to survive so id bet he had to sacrifice a couple of valuable positions to keep themselves alive til the end.

Secondly, Ron wasnt as much jealous about Harry entering the tournament as to Harry not telling him how he did it. I think he believed Hermione was let in on it and therefore stayed by Harris side, he has always been paranoid against being left out.