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Fawkes

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Egyptian Flame, Aug 25, 2006.

  1. Egyptian Flame

    Egyptian Flame First Year

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    I've been asking myself this questions. Why didn't Fawkes intercept Snape's killing curse in book 6 but was happy to swallow it from Voldie in book 5? Why also did Dumbledore bind Harry under his invisibility cloak but not Draco Malfoy in front of him?
     
  2. Necrule Paen

    Necrule Paen DLP Elite DLP Supporter

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    Fawkes might be having his burning day and from Rowling's comments it looks like Dumbledore arranged his own death. Not that he is alive, but he wanted it to go down as it did. Just don't ask me about the logic behind it because if there is any it is probably very weak.
     
  3. Egyptian Flame

    Egyptian Flame First Year

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    I think if he arranged it, it could've been done with more planning and dignity
     
  4. ip82

    ip82 Prisoner

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    Nah, he wanted Snape to do it, solidifying his place in the inner circle and Malfoy NOT to do it, so the spoiled brat would have his stinking 'second chance'.
     
  5. mcatrage

    mcatrage Raptured to Hell

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    All this planning and even sacrificing yourself.

    why not just train your savior.

    I just don't understand.
     
  6. Palver

    Palver High Inquisitor

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    Well, if Fawkes swallowed first curse, then there will be second. But he might have teleported Dumbledore out of there.
     
  7. Verse of Darkness

    Verse of Darkness Denarii Host

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    LMAO! QFT.
     
  8. DarthBill

    DarthBill The Chosen One DLP Supporter

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    It's just Dumbledore being stupid (Actually, more likely Rowling).

    He is sacraficing himself for Snape. Probably convinced himself that Snape is vital to the war effort. Completely disregarding his own responsibility as head of the resistance and second most important figure to the light.
     
  9. Nobody

    Nobody Backtraced

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    ...Is this why we don't discuss HBP, and why no one likes it? :p

    There doesn't seem to be an answer that preserves Dumbledore's dignity and gives Fawkes a valid excuse.
     
  10. mcatrage

    mcatrage Raptured to Hell

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    back on topic

    I don't blame fawkes because his bonded probally has to call him or something.

    So he (Dumbledore) is either still alive or Snape is the savior
     
  11. CGB

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    Rowling said that Dumbledore is definitively dead. And I strongly suspect, that Snape is still a good guy.
     
  12. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    Yeah, that's pretty much it. He could have gotten away with Fawkes easily. Shit, he could have let Harry curse Malfoy but he didnt. He wanted to die then and there, and make it seem like Snape really wanted him dead. Snape coulda killed Harry at the end, or taken him to Voldemort but didnt.

    I think Rowling has already said he is good too. I think she mentioned it at some reading thing. There is a thread about it somewhere. None of the Trio - Harry, Ron and Hermione - die either. What a load of crap.
     
  13. Niffler Lord

    Niffler Lord Headmaster

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    There isn't. The only reason that Fawkes did not come to his rescue is because Dumbledore didn't call him or rather asked him to stay away. Either that or shortly after a burning day.

    Personally from JKR's comments in an interview I think its the former. She says Snape is good (and all the zombie fans jump for joy) which mean that he killed Dumbledore only on Dumbledore's orders. IMO thats an irresponsible move from the leader of the light side. Not only that he does it in front of a 16 year old boy, that looked up to him, after making sure the boy could do nothing but watch.

    Phycological speaking if you had to watched a loved one die it would haunt anyone for years to come. So why did he do it?? To keep a spy in good standing? Yeah right. Once the war is over, or perhaps even before, there will be people out for the blood of this spy for causing the death of one of the most respected wizards of the day. And they won't care about the reasons just that he did it. Some life for the spy...

    And the trauma to the Harry having to watch someone he considered a mentor, (which is kindda hard to swallow after OoTP) die in front of his eyes would have destroyed his self-confidence and given him nightmares for the rest of his life. It is possible that Dumbledore used his death (if you consider him a manipulative asshole) to spur Harry on to destroy Voldermort. By removing something (himself) that Harry held in high regard he ensured that Harry would not give up the fight, at least until his death had been avenged and what he died for (ie fight against Voldemort) was won.

    One of many reasons I disregard HPB.
     
  14. Erotic Adventures of S

    Erotic Adventures of S Denarii Host

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    It wasn't a burning day, only a few hours latter Fawks was flying around the grounds chirping. So unless he grows REALLY fast and DD was REALLY unlucky to catch Fawkes at the moment he burnt it wasnt a burning day.
     
  15. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    And now Fawke's has vanished. I think we will be seeing more of our favorite fire turkey before the series is over, though. He might take a killing curse for Harry.
     
  16. sirius009

    sirius009 Minister of Magic

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    To answer the question as to why DD didn't stun/bind Malfoy, he probably thought he could redeem him to the side of the light or some shit like that. Malfoy's hesitation has helped fangirls everywhere think that Malfoy is a gay, yet redeemed kid.
     
  17. Dark Syaoran

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    Yeah. I didn't want to be reminded that Rowling pretty much warped his character slightly so he'd be loved and all that crap. Fans seem to be shaping these last books... well, apart from Harmony shippers.

    I'd cry if Hedwig took a killing curse for him instead of Fawke's. Seriously. Not because the bird died, but because she stole a shitty cliche from fanfiction.
     
  18. scionofkyuubi

    scionofkyuubi First Year

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    I guess it's just wishful thinking that Snape will get hit by a freak meteor from outer space...

    Though it'd probably be funny.
     
  19. DemonDream

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    Keep in mind Rowling's disregard for reality and human nature. I realise that canonically, Harry had little time with Sirius, but not even batting an eye at his death? Or Cedrics? I fully expect Rowling to continue the trend and have Harry seem to ignore Dumbledore's death, and any grief involved.
     
  20. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    Well, Harry did have a little cry over Cedric when Mrs Weasley was there, but thats about it. I didnt even mind the total lack of caring on Harry's part about Sirius. Yeah, its unrealistic, but with all the over-the-top angst shit I've read in the fandom after book 5, I'd had enough.
     
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