...Riley. Stop. Fucking. Antagonizing.

I'm going to ask you to lay out your entire timeline for the Nights, please.

As in...

N1: # gold at start. Action. # gold at end.
N2: # gold at start. Action. # gold received (start, middle or end of night? During the day?) # gold at end.

And so on in that format. Please do this for me.

 

@sloth. I was roleblocked one night. Then I was out of gold last night until I got more at the end of the night. Now I have gold. I was not able to audit because of the timing

 

Riley, your post was just that bad that two people that have been attacking each other for half the game had to turn around and tell you off.

This is going to be hilarious in hindsight after the game ends.

 

I think I know, but I want him to answer my question first.

That's good, but doesn't the fact that you discussed this and had a plan set up make it ALL the more unlikely that he wouldn't have sent you any gold in his Will?

Unless I'm missing something, this mostly serves to doubtcast Titus. Which is fine, except not exactly on the current topic. Unless you're trying to say Zennith wouldn't have left her anything based on this?

 

I wasn't antagonizing. I think it's fairly well coordinated of Ird/Mori. but that aside. Last night is when I received new gold. Between then and the night I audited you and got roleblocked I had none. I was pretty clear on that.

And How is it bad to notice that even though the main lynch targets are myself and citrus amongst the other members, you two are off in your own little world? That's suspicious and I called you on it. Deal with it.

 

....Riley, it's like pulling teeth with you. -__-
I asked for that format for a reason. Ok.
When did you get the gold? Was it at the beginning of the night? The end?
Be back later.

 

Night 1: Audit Fonti: 4 gold (1 Gold at end)
Night 2: Nothing (1 Gold at end)
Night 3: Received 1 gold at start of night. (Mathblade I assume) Audit Sloth: blocked. (0 Gold at end)
Night 4: Received 2 gold at end of night. Unknown sender. (2 gold at end)

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And I was working on it. Not my fault you can't read.

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@Moridin: The devil may care attitude, the decisive push for a vote on me. It all feels like doubtcasting and it's partially working as no one seems sure of anything. The gungho attitude to be lynched is a frightening bluff for both sides and it's working well. I'm even doubting it a bit, but mostly because now you're little sidebar with Ird is making me wonder about things.

Ird's reaction was way to quick and waaaay too defensive. A quick note of how you two are off in your own little sphere set him off and he's now extremely "something". Worried, upset, frustrated, I'm not sure but it's ping my radar. You answered fairly well but as a previous player it couild be a calm collected scum player appearing town.

 

I started doubting Titus after Mathblade flipped.

Jailchat

/m165

Titus said "we should be ready to quickhammer MathBlade or Riley"

/m176
Titus said "would you kindly vote mathblade"

I posted that transcript from jailchat with Zennith that night because what was discussed was asked.

@Titus
Honestly, you still haven't answered my question about why you wanted a quick hammer on mathblade so fast. You also said you would post your reasoning that night (after she was dead). You still haven't given reasoning. I began doubting you then due to the fact that you pushed for a replacement then got the slot lynched rather than allowing it to be modkilled. If you thought the slot was scum before why not let it be modkilled rather than push for the replacement? you effectively wasted our lynch for the day

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Day end time in QT is wrong. We have ~30 hours left right?

 

Vote Count 3.5
(4 to lynch)

Moridin (1): Irdiumstern
Irdiumstern (1): Moridin
Sloth (1): Titus
Riley Poole (1): Citrus
Citrus (1): Riley Poole

Abstain (2) blab, Sloth

Day end has been updated.

 

Proph, how much time is there left in the Day? Also, questions on the QTs, please.

 

1 Day 2 Hours from now
It's updated on the Info post in QT now

 

@Citrus, Mathblade was derping with theories that could not ever be even plausible for ANYONE to believe. I figured she was scum because she wanted to divert the three of us, who I was solidly townreading but now I'm not so sure. She was a liability at best to the group. I was praying she could rehabilitate the slot. It's scummy to want a town slot modkilled. I didn't waste the lynch for today. There's no guarantee that the slot would be town OR scum. There's no guarantee we'd lynch scum.

Are you seriously arguing that I should have let someone be modkilled? and that player was town? Are you freaking kidding me? If we didn't lynch Mathblade and mislynched yesterday, we'd have to no lynch here AND solve the entire game.

In our current state we can... a) mislynch for information b) have two no lynches or c) lynch scum. In all states, we can analyze the Mathblade wagon.

If Mathblade/Custer got modkilled and we lynched town... we would be forced to no lynch, and then solve the entire game. It's not a situation I want or desire. The Mathblade death yields nothing and it would have been near impossible to get a scum lynch if there are two scum and we're down a body.

If Riley isn't town, why would he claim to have received the exact amount Zennith got? It would be much more beneficial for scum!Riley to sit on his ass and let us go after each other supposing that one of us MUST be lying about the gold? Zennith did townread Riley.

That also suggests that Fonti did not townread Citrus. Otherwise, why not give him gold? Me, I understand why no one gives me gold. I don't need any more gold.

#1579, if Ird was your first target, according to the jailchat, then why did you come out swinging on Riley Poole? This seems to be a theme with both you and Sloth. You wanted Ird, according to your jailchat, and you vote someone else. Sloth wants Ird, yet never votes Ird.

@All, If there's a better PR suggestion for Fonti, I'm all ears but the host practically crumbed there would be an innocent child in the game with his "jester" PM in the first post. Innocent Child would have 1 Gold. So why would Fonti have 4, Possum's gold.

@Sloth, yes. As a general rule, if town have daychat (jail worked during the day), then scum have daychat. Also, why the hell would I need to commute as scum day 1? I just was a significant player in a day 1 lynch on Zeigt. No vig in their right mind would be shooting me. There is no evidence of a third party.


@Riley, the consensus was that you audit Citrus. Assuming it's plausible you actually followed consensus, Citrus scum makes sense. You get blocked and thus no audit ever occurs. That would be because Citrus has gold from another source. I know you were reluctant to check Citrus at the time, so that's why I'm asking you to take another look.

@Citrus, #1588 is reason why I think you and Sloth can be unaligned pairs. Mathblade, unquestionable was derping, "faking" in her own words. The fact this is picked up on by the town and is lynched is understandable. However, paranoia is somewhat justifiable given my confidence level.

Yet, you have given Sloth absolutely no questions, no doubt no anything regarding the lynch of Luckylee.


@Riley, I did flip a little bit fast on you but I have been having my doubts. I would have expected you to have some sort of independently scummy behavior. I wasn't seeing that for the most part. I wasn't seeing bad votes or anything. I like your recent behavior these last couple days. If I can't see someone's thought processes, I don't townread them.

If Citrus is scum and the game is not over, Sloth is almost certainly Citrus's buddy. If seems by context that you're townreading him.

His claim is ridiculous. 1) Slow Tracker, really? We have a slow vig. We have a Watcher {although it was mafia}. We have a copish in you. 2) The information Sloth gave could have easily been made up. It's easy to say players who are likely VTs didn't go anywhere.

Balance: Town Double Voter + Commuter, Auditor, Innocent Child, Jailor Merchant {1 shot Rolecop, BP, Watch}, VTS
Mafia: Roleblock, Goon (Messenger or Messenger with Daykill), Goon (Daykilll or Plain Goon), Wiretap

If you give the town two investigative roles active at the same time, the game can be broken via follow the cop. Daykill prevents OP secnarios of always jailing the IC, or the same target getting healed.

Vote: Citrus

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@Blab,

I think if you look through Day 1 and Day 2, Citrus has very little interaction with ika and Zeit. Can you compare the volume and intensity of Citrus's interactions with Sloth to see if they are consistent with scumbuddies or inconsistent?

 

I townread Sloth right now though. If he's scum he's earned the win.

Instructions for town:

Tomorrow -> Lynch Riley Poole
Day after: Give Titus another look for 3rd party. I can see him being non-town but NOT scum. Lynch in Irid/Moridin. Chances are Sloth dies tonight, then Blab dies tomorrow night, meaning it'll be 3way final day with Titus/Irid/Moridin surprise surprise (unless game ends with Riley's death

Vote: Citrus

LYNCH RILEY TOMORROW, DON'T FUCK THIS UP IN MY ABSENCE

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And fyi I'm at L-1, not L-2. Noone else is being lynched today so hammer and go.

Riley, "audit" Irid/Moridin. DON'T audit Sloth/

 

Aye, just saw.

@Blab

This has also been debunked: RBs cannot block Last Will. You can as Prophy to confirm.
Did you have any other alternative theories? Otherwise, given how things have unfolded recently, I'm almost certain I'm on the right track with my theory.

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@Riley

….I apologize. I missed the comment where you said you’d respond. It must have ninja’d on me. Thank you for the breakdown.
Ok…it mashes with what I calculated in my head, as you started with 3 gold. Does this answer your question on it, Citrus?

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@Citrus

Good, someone else thought this.
It’s true, and I pointed it out when she brought it up, but I let it pass because she had otherwise been impeccably Town at the time.

As for the jailchat transcript…Ok. It’s damning enough. I’ll wait to see what Titus has to say about it. I assume she’s busy with RL since she hasn’t addressed my points like she said she would last Night.

In the meantime…
Ok, Citrus, I’m going to be blunt with you. Make of it whatever you want: I’m still seeing both of you as equally scummy.
The things you’ve brought up on Titus are scummy, the things Titus brought up about you make me doubt you as well. I touched on what rubbed me the wrong way about both of you in #1554. I can give a more detailed case on request after I come back.
…However, right now, I’d lynch you first. Specifically, because on #1555 you said, and I quote “For tmrw consider Titus town, I'm confident enough she is town to say she should NOT be lynched tmrw.”
You were willing to be lynched and flipped all on your confidence of Titus being Town. And now, two pages, you’re doing your best to doubtcast her despite the fact you’ve suspected her since Mathblade, a full 2 Days ago.

Here’s my proposal: We lynch you today. If you flip Town, I will do my best lynch Titus tomorrow, and if the rest of the Town is paying attention, it shouldn’t be hard to make it happen.
Yes or no?

 

Rest of day should be done talking about what to do when I flip town and Blab/Sloth dies tonight

 

....oh. damnit. Ninja'd.

 

No, you lynch RILEY tomorrow

 

Ok, I'm on my way out, so I'll just answer Titus' thing and catch up on whatever it is that's happening when I come back:
Ok, so you ARE saying that your scummates would have warned you not to commute. Despite the fact that Zennith clearly claimed he purposefully never brough you up as an option (in Jailchat), neither ika or citrus brought you up, and that he attempted to bring you in without telling them?

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BBL. /10chars

 

Yes. Obvjail target is obvjail target. Scum would naturally be discussing in their jailchat that there is a jailor and you just pushed for a Zeit lynch. You are a jail target since Zennith was never that clear on who he would jail.

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If you flip town, I will strongly consider that I wasn't stubborn enough. I don't think I'll be going back to Riley scum but given how much what the fuck has gone on in here, who the hell knows.

 

At this point I'm willing to concede that Citrus might be town and if he flips town I'll be fucking pissed. That's part of why I'm looking at the Ird/Mori interaction that everyone else seems to be ignoring.

Options:
A) Citrus is doubt-casting. He flips scum. I'm vindicated.

B) Citrus is town. He flips Town. I (a town member) am the guilty party in everyone's eyes.

C) Citrus is town. He flips Town. Someone else becomes our target.

D) We take a moment to look at the Ird/Mori cases since we have a full day left in Day.