I can unvote and hammer closer to deadline if you need Titus

I would like to let discussion play out before hammering if I have it

 

@Citrus

At this point, I think Titus has the gold interference mechanic.
As for her alliance, I’m going to say scum because the more time passes, the more I think there might not be a Third Party. If there is, they’ve laid low the entire game, which is smart, but I’m trying to follow theories for which I have tangible leads on.
Refer to my reply to the end of this post, please.

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@Blab

Point on the gold mechanics, however, I would still argue that even with that being the case, the target would be the recipient, otherwise we’d have a lot more missing gold.
At this point, I feel like unless there’s any stronger theories here, it’s worth betting the game…but refer to my reply to Riley to see if you find that more acceptable.

On the first note, If anyone alive that received gold hasn’t said so, they should do so now and state when. Let’s try to account for everyone’s Last Wills.
I doubt we’ll get a complete picture with all the lynches, but we can try.

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@Titus
Let me tell you, I love how you can reply in a long block of text without answering anything specifically asked of you.

First, what in the hell is chaining lynches?
Is it that my theory that if you’re not scum, then Citrus has to be, etc? Fine. It can be anti-Town. If it doesn’t make sense. You have yet to state why it doesn’t make sense.

Again, no, you don’t. This is not what the argument is about.
You’re saying that in getting Mathblade into the game, you essentially got a lot more information for Town instead of wasting a day and pushing for her lynch.
I’m saying:
A) You cannot claim knowledge after-the-fact to prove you right. You had no way of knowing that in getting her here, we’d end up in the current situation we’re in. More importantly, you can’t claim than in not getting her in, we wouldn’t be better or worse off.
B) If you had let Custer be modkilled (which, by the way, no one is contesting would have happened, we’re all aware Prophy said he would), Prophy would have killed him off and told us his role regardless, like he did Zeit. We would have had the exact same information without wasting a day of speculation. Note that this isn’t posteriori knowledge, because we have supporting evidence for it.

And yep. At the end of D1 my vote was on Zennith, whom at the time you were voting for too, because he seemed scummy. I stated why, and I had no way of knowing that Zeit was confscum, or that Zennith wasn’t. What’s your point?

Or. Ok, so even though basically every freakin’ reason you’ve given for me being scum, every ‘evidence’ you’ve told Blab to go over to see my scumminess, has almost entirely relied on my being scummmates with Citrus…now you’re saying that even if Citrus flips Town, I’m still scum. Seems legit.
By the by, being sent gold so you can continue to commute makes perfect sense.
Also, now I’m the gold-thief? You’ve yet to disprove my being the PI.

Honest question: Do you have any idea how disheveled you’ve been sounding lately?

…Anyway, everyone’s mentioned this already, but no. No NL. I don’t believe for a second this is a Town move, and you know what, I might have thought that maybe you did, except for this:

What the hell is this? Even if we had agreed to NL, what is the point of laying this out for every scum to see? You’re not stupid. Any scum reading this would just lynch according to this to either frame you, me or anyone else.
Before, your NL plan was a bad idea. With this, it’s completely unworkable.

Finally, the best part,

…

So your response to me (sensibly) demanding answers and responses to every point I’ve made so far is to say “Nope, you do it.”
And you even say you won’t be around to respond to it. Is that a backhanded insult or something? Why should I bother when you’re not going to respond?
I want answers Titus. Address what I told you to and why it makes me scum, or shut the hell up about it. Those are your options. You don’t squirm away from this.

But whatever, I’ll make a case if I have to.

P.S.

…really? Get off your fucking high horse. No one is relying on you, certainly not me. We’re all trying.

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@Riley

Unvote for now, hear me out.
Ok. I’ve given my strategy. Here’s a reworked version to see if it pleases everyone:
D5. We lynch Citrus/Titus. If lynch flips Town, the other must be Scum.
D6. We lynch Irdium.
D7. If Irdium flips scum, we lynch whoever’s left between Citrus/Titus. If Irdium, against all possible odds, flips Town, I will accept that I’ve been completely wrong about the game from the start and will be open to the possibility that Citrus/Titus is not scum, we will revisit and plan, look closer into all scum options: Riley for Citrus, Moridin for Riley, Me for Titus, Blab for the last bits of my theory, etc.

Does that sound acceptable to everyone?

And @Citrus, is our deal still on the table? At this point, I’d honestly rather lynch Titus, but I doubt I would get the support, plus I was wrong about her before. Let me know.
In the meantime, Lynch Vote: Citrus
(Not a hammer, Titus and Riley unvoted)

 

I'm not in the least bit interested in lynching Citrus, I've said that already. I am suspicious of you, and your case on Citrus (who you did want to lynch, and quite recently at that) is relevant to my impression of you. If it's a good one, it may even end up influencing my impression of Citrus as well.

If you've already posted it, all I'm asking for is a link. We can then discuss it tomorrow, if you really insist. Otherwise you can continue stalling and insinuating I'm trying to derail the lynch of the guy I was the first one to vote for. I mean, you've already done the whole bit where you vote Irdiumstern right after I say 'Irdium or Riley'.

 

Why not flip your D5 and D6?

 

...Ugh. Or the lynch train could have already started. Anyone think I have a point here?

 

And Moridin, I've tried looking. It's buried somewhere and I'm at work. It'd be easier for me to look later when I'm not on my phone or posting between calls. I do respect that you want to lynch Citrus and honestly, he's still seems scummy in my mind, but at this time why not focus on someone who's been lurking along and hiding the clusterfuck the entire game?

Are you really unable to wait one day?

 

I'd consider a lynch on Titus, Sloth. I honestly don't see a lynch on Citrus as being pro-town in any way, so I'm not voting there. Only issue:

D7 you state that if Ird flips town, you'll rework your whole strategy and accept you may be wrong. As such, the Ird flip is important. Why not move that to today? Then the Titus/Citrus lynch tomorrow.

 

@ Sloth. D5/D6 flip?

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At least Moridin is agreeing with the rest of us

 

Riley: I've stated multiple times I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH CITRUS. You do. Or did, anyway.

 

Sorry, do should be don't. Like I said, between calls.

 

On the D5/D6 flip: I really, REALLY, almost 99.9% doubt that Irdium is Town.
The reason why I'm going Citrus/Titus today is because, as mentined before, we can afford a mislynch today. If they flip Town, we can still win. If we mislynch tomorrow, game's probably lost.
Hence, Titus/Citrus D5.

 

7 players alive, assume 2 scum. We mislynch between Titus/Citrus, 5 alive come D6 start. Lylo.

7 players alive, assume 2 scum. We lynch Irdiumstern, 5 players alive D6, 1 scum. We mislynch, 3 players alive D7, 1 scum. Lylo.

Yeah, I don't get your argument here. It seems pretty obvious lynching a likelier scum today is better.

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Assuming an Irdiumstern lynch tomorrow, the former scenario becomes

7 players alive, assume 2 scum. We mislynch between Titus/Citrus, 5 alive come D6 start. Lylo. We lynch scum Irdiumstern, 3 alive come D7, 1 scum. Also Lylo.

If scum Irdiumstern, both scenarios are relatively equal, except that Titus/Citrus involves picking between two potential townies, and we should put that off until we have the maximum information i.e. tommorrow.

If town Irdiumstern, better we know and re-evaluate now rather than mislynch and lose on D6.

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The point is that this statement is misleading. It should be 'if we mislynch today and tomorrow, game's probably lost' where if you're confident in Irdiumstern scum then that's not really an issue, is it.

 

Moridin, why are you suddenly trying to derail the lynch on me?

I'm still fairly convinced of Moridin/Citrus.

 

Where am I trying to derail anything? My vote's on you, I'm trying to convince Sloth to lynch you. Wth is everyone talking about here?

 

Forming a response to Mori right now, but, Irdium, memory's failing me. Link me to another post where you pointed to Citrus, or a Citrus/Mori scum thing.

 

That's the extent of Ird's response? Really? Yeah, kthxbye.

 

Moridin? Most of my posts since since day one. Citrus? Today and yesterday.

 

Sloth, I'm going to be going to sleep in a little while. If you have a response for favouring a Titus lynch over an Irdiumstern lynch, make it quick pls. Else my vote stays where it is and I won't be able to respond to anything before deadline.

 

Sorry, had a patient. Back now. Give me 15 mins.

 

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