And you've never done anything horrible to anyone?

But yes, if I were her boyfriend, I would be quite rightly very upset. But I'm not. And neither are you. Therefore it is none of our business. The only relevance to the conversation is whom she slept with and whether this had an effect on the coverage that led to her rise to prominence.

The question of morality with regards to her relationship with her boyfriend isn't and shouldn't be a matter for public discussion.

 

Well no, I would never do something like that to someone. I get that its a biased point of a view, but his blog gives me the impressions she's a psychopath. Its certainly nothing to do with much of the issue (beyond obviously Greyson) but if I learned any friend of mine was like that I would cut off all contact. Its pretty much a textbook definition of maximally immoral but still legal behavior. Im not sure how you could dismiss disgust of that kind of behavior as a variety of misogyny (slut shaming).

But yes, it has little (beyond grayson) to do with it

 

That's not what I asked. Funny that, when put on the spot about horrible things you might or might not have done to people in a public forum, you slide around the issue. Maybe because it's inappropriate to have every bad thing you've ever done posted on the internet to be scrutinised and judged by dozens (or millions) of people that don't know you or the context that you acted in.

But yes, it's irrelevant to the subject at hand.

 

Well, yeah, I've done some bad things. But I have never done what, in my opinion, verges on domestic abuse. I have also never doxxed anyone.

 

The Zoe issue is only an issue because the person she cheated with was someone covering her in an article which would have prevented him from being objective. If it was true that it occurred before the interview or before publishing(both of them say it happened after) I do think it would be a legitimate issue. People would still be stupid for going after Zoe and harassing her though, it would be on him for not recusing himself from doing the article.

An interesting livestream that's pro-gamergate is going on at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjdiC2ednok

 

You missed my point but that's cool.

My problem is this. You say that GamerGate has been hijacked by Shitlords and other such scum, and therefore they can't and shouldn't win. At the same time you acknowledge that a lot of SJWs "are fucking mental." However you still defend their position. How come the shitlords who have "hijacked" SJW communities don't warrant a dismissal of their agenda?
I mean a bunch of them hacked the TFYC indiegogo campaign. Zoe Quinn, herself a prominent SJW, retweeted a tweet from a friend of hers that included dox material on the TFYC guys, and later encouraged a DDOS attack on their website (iirc). Even more recently she did the exact same thing to a bunch of wikipedia editors who where trying to save the GamerGate wikipedia article from becoming the piece of biased shit that it is today.

Also we're not collaborating with people who want to stop equality. They are collaborating with us. GamerGate is about censorhip, nepotism and corruption first and foremost. The racist. sexist idiocy is from extremist assholes who exist everywhere.

EDIT: Regarding the Zoe Quinn cheating thing; She also slept with a game developer, after which she got a job working on his game, and also Robin Arnott. Head of an indie award panel that she won.

 

No, you missed my point, but that's okay.

Nobody is arguing with your claim that the ethics of video game journalism are suspect. Video game journalists themselves have been saying that shit for years and SJWs literally don't give a fuck one way or the other.

So what are you arguing for then?

 

I can only speak for myself in this but the main things I care about are the censorship and the ethics in games journalism. Yes its completely true that we've known that things were corrupt for years but we had 0 proof. The fact that so many of them are on the same mailing list despite being competitors is extremely troubling to me. My initial thought when I saw it come from Breitbart was that it could be manufactured but then people in the mailing list basically confirmed it instead of denying it.

Another thing that's extremely troubling is the indie game devs who are coming out and saying that they've been pressured to change things by these sites. It would be ideal to address this topic at a later date but we will never be able to amass this number of people to try to change things again.

 

If video game journalists have been saying that their own ethics are suspect for years, how come they haven't done anything about it? 9 articles in 1 day across 8 different websites saying the exact same thing (Gamers are dead, Gamers are misogynistic, Gamers are sad lonely cosplay wearing, con going neckbeards) are the action of a bunch of people who found a super amazingly convenient scapegoat and exploited it for clickbait, $$$ and goodwill with the right crowd, while at the same time avoiding the issue completely.

 

Slut
[sluht]
noun
1. an immoral or dissolute woman; prostitute.
2. Obsolete. a dirty, slovenly woman.

If the boot fits...

I'd like to think it's society's business when people go around being sluts (gasp, there's that word again) and cheating on their boyfriends (EDIT: or girlfriends for that matter). Not that we should necessary be peeking into people's lives looking for trouble, but allowing that behavior to go unshamed if/when it's discovered only encourages it. The difference between me and her is that I have the sense to not engage in that kind of behavior, and I especially don't put myself in the position where it becomes other people's business.

Backing out and trying to shut down the discussion. Wow, that sounds familiar.

Depending on the interpretation of those words. Going by the SJW ultra-politically correct interpretation, no.

Anyway, who are some people involved with video games that are worth paying attention to now? The only person I ever consistently paid attention to before was Adam Sessler, ever since the mid-2000s with X-Play, but even before he showed his side on this issue I was kind of edging away from him. He heaped way too much praise on some games (Bioshock: Infinite for example). Some of my friends tried to get me to like Yahtzee, but he annoys the shit out of me.

 

Jeff Gerstman at GB. Pretty much everyone at GB is cool except for Patrick Klepeck and Alex Navarro.

Personal opinion though.

 

Matt's put out another vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTxf6W3kdwU

 

That, and the whole long-standing double standard of how a guy sleeping around is considered acceptable, while a woman doing so isn't.

That said, a guy cheating on his significant other and sleeping with reviewers to get good publicity would be a just as wrong, so I don't see much of a case for this being a double standard. Though really, the censorship/ethics issue has largely eclipsed Zoe Quinn's initial behavior, at least as far as I can tell. The fact that she slept around doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that a whole lot of online journalism has gone totally rabid in an effort to defend her.

 

Whatever one's thoughts on promiscuity, that's not the issue. She's an adulterer and should be shamed for it.

Just as John Terry and Ryan Giggs should be, and are, rightfully shamed for it.

At least JT and Giggs aren't going around and getting charity funds shut down.

Well, afaik anyway. I wouldn't be surprised.

As an aside, I dunno if what you're saying is in just, but if the 'new' slut is genuinely seen as a cool thing to be...

Well, that's depressing.

 

the best thing that came out of this thread for me was finding out about http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/

Good lord the insanity.

 

I've never 'got' reddit. Is that just a list of hilarious tumblr (which I also don't get, lol) moaning?

 

No just that specific subreddit. There are subreddits for all sorts of things.

 

A feminist supporting GG has been doxxed...

https://twitter.com/GGfeminist/status/514238397653590016/photo/1

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Matt made another vid, apparently someone in the House of Representatives edited Kotaku's wiki page...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ-Ea0S2kp8&feature=youtu.be&a

 

I've tried to refrain from commenting on this entire controversy. I try to read about it, to understand what's going on beyond just the surface bullshit, and honestly, I just get pissed at the sheer amount of vitriol on both sides so I just ignore it. But I honestly can't not comment on this.

Why the fuck would you shame someone for this? I mean, who the fuck cares? Honestly. Who gives a flying fuck? It doesn't matter. It does not matter in the fucking slightest. So she's objectively a terrible person. What's your point? If you have proof that her sleeping with a writer got her good press, by all means, you should use that. Seriously. But just the fact that she's an adulterer? I'm sorry, but I fail to see how yours, or mine, or anybody's opinion on that matters in any sort of way. All it is, is sanctimonious bullshit "hur dur i'm morally better than these people" that dumbasses use to feel better about themselves.

If I know you, and you cheat on your spouse, I may judge you inside of my head. But people's private lives are their private lives. It doesn't fucking matter. And by dragging the fact that she's an adulterer into the argument, all you're doing is making this side look misogynistic and just fucking stupid, man. By dragging the focus onto that and saying she should be shamed, like you or anybody else in this world is some paragon of morality, you're taking the focus off of what we should actually be talking about.

Which isn't shaming people for making a mistake. Multiple mistakes, as it may be. I don't know. And I can honestly say I don't care.

tl;dr

Jesus Christ.