ya i'm siding on Q that the role already very powerful if it knows 4 towns right offhand

---------- Post automerged at 03:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:43 PM ----------

i would love to play/work on this game if thats how roles are made cus its going to be a bunch of balencing/reworking to be done

 

Hmm? So if it hits her militia, it is redirected to another random player?

 

i would have it that if roles know another person, they don't know alignment unless if your doing something like masons

 

There will be masons.

 

I think having some VTs in high power games is fine. (Or if you'd prefer, just give some people extremely weak powers :b)

4 scum might be a better fit for 18p (given that 10 town - 3 scum is commonly balanced around) You could throw in a traitor or something if you're really attached to another antitown. Basically, you guys would prob benefit from a reviewer that is an experienced mod (or player, even.)

---------- Post automerged at 11:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:52 AM ----------

I mean, 5 scum can work, it just will be swingy and you'll need to be careful.

 

Keep in mind how many straight mislynches can occur before scum wins. If it's like 2 in a large game (18 for example), that's a bit too unbalanced. 5 scum sounds like a little high to me unless town are strong with 2 neutrals

Mechanisms that deal with kassclaim
1) soup roles (aka riddler)
2) roles can be given to either alignment (a LA witch hunt)
3) roles are selected out of a known list without all roles picked (ie: doctor and cop are possible, 2 docs could be picked etc)
4) closed setup - no public role info. You may have to construct fake claims for scum. Some games that do this, scum have an explicit ability to ask mods for a fake role card with X ability (like cop), and mod gives then a fake role card with that ability

 

No. of mislynches should equal number of scum, is what I've had as a vague rule.

 

i always look at all the power and assume worst case scenario plays out to see how fast a team can lose and work back from there

 

Wow, I missed the 2 neutrals thing. Uh, that is a LOT of non-town, yes.

 

Yeah...can work because of crossfire or strong town, but difficult. 20-25% is my rule for single faction, or up to 33% with SK's and etc. More *can* work, but you need to be cautious.

 

Vanilla master race.

I think you'd need like 5 more town to make that amount of scum/3rd party be fair.

 

thats too many towns IMO, its going to be high power calibar so i think the powers will ballence it out

i would do 3 scums + triator if you want singlefaction

assuming you keep sk and killer survivor, who wins the tie if both of them are endgame in 1v1?

 

3 scums + traitor out of 18 players? Ouch...

 

Changing killer survivor to Unlyncher probably with his unlynchee as a member of town.

Also so far town looks to be more powerful abiltiies wise than scum to balance them out.

SK has to kill scum too to win

 

this is if we are keeping the SK/extreme survivor

the sk is a threat to all and should be oped as hell (my belief is that 3ps should have the most power)

the extreme survivor (as i know it as) forces both sides to eliminate it due to the fact its a game stealer.

i would think the tritor would be known to the scum team and that it has a good amount of buffs in extange for not knowing identities/sharing the night(day?) chat

---------- Post automerged at 04:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:58 PM ----------

so now you want lyncher (mafia scum calls it)/executioner (what i call it)

would it leave the game if it gets wincon?

 

not lyncher. UNlyncher. His wincon is a specific town role living

---------- Post automerged at 04:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:00 PM ----------

He can win with town or scum. So long as this role is still alive by the end

 

ohhh so your doing a lawyer (again what i know it as form my homesite)

then it leads to these questions:

If lawyer (what im calling it for ease) is lynched/killed is he now ineligible to win or can he win post if the player is alive?

What's to kinda stop the player from just claiming outright and saying X is town.

I would make it that if the player dies, that the lawyer gains towns-wincon if you are going to make it that the person selected is town. its kinda a jerk thing imo to have it "player dies, you lose" due to how many ways it can happen

 

This is a bad thread. If you're making a bastard game, just call it bastard and have the confidence to back up your decisions if people get mad. It's bastard, they know what they're signing up for.

All you're doing here is making it so that your game either has to be run as an open setup (because you just gave awway critical game information) or you have to completely remodel it.

 

Presumably high power scum too, and there are VTs. Plus Sk is generally a scum favoured neutral role. Maybe it's like one too many but that's like 15 town to 7 non-town which seems like a low number of town.

---------- Post automerged at 09:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:10 PM ----------

I was assuming the plan was to run it as an open setup, if it was closed this thread should never have existed.

 

I've never made a game before and i was asking experienced players for help.

I'm not giving anything away that won't be in the opening post.