You can never fully avoid ganks, but it's a good idea to keep the jungler's last position in mind, as well as his health bar and what he is most likely to do and where he is most likely to go next.

 

WD your problem seems to be that you have too much salt in your diet. Eat healthier and it might help you out.

 

Just lost another game. TF support who did not build support, and did not ward, and could not pick his cards to land a stun for his life, fed 11 kills, refused to buy boots despite constantly getting picked off (Assassins, heh) or not being fast enough to help someone, even 25 minutes into the game, and then AFKed at fountain until the game ended.

How is that my fault for being salty?

Note: I'm not denying I'm salty. Just.. goddamn.

 

Can we officially request that the mods create the PJSalt emote so we can use it here?

 

My diet is now healtheir. Won a game. Graves/Braum vs MF/Leona. Outplayed a few times, good jungle ganks, and their LB couldn't quite delete me because I went tanky runes + graves passive and had heal.

ADC is fun with a good support. Not bad for someone who rarely plays ADC, I think.

 

Honestly, Assasins are pretty weak at the moment. When I say Assassin, I mean the ones that can go in, burst, and go back out. The strongest would be people like Katarina and Zed, while Le Blanc and Akali generally does well in solo queue. Still, their level of power is nowhere near what they used to be. People like Swain, Galio, Orianna, and Malzahar are wrecking faces in midlane.

They became especially strong because a lot of assasins lost their ability to silence. (Talon, LB, Kassadin, etc). This is a LOT more detrimental than what lower elos might think. Lower elos, they might not react fast enough regardless of whether or not there is silence and will get bursted. Higher elos, you WILL get cc'd, and in turn get bursted yourself.

So, while they still have strong presence during laning phase, they aren't unbeatable. And it's pretty accepted that they are generally not as strong once teamfights begin.

 

Just bought Vel'Koz, went 14/9 first game on him. Did a buttload of damage and shut down their Mid Lee. <3.

51.4k Champion Damage, That's craaazzyy.

 

Velkoz is my little baby He's so strong. Btw though, you really don't need to get a Rylais on him. The slow really only works on your W, and there's no need for it as long as you have your Q and R.

 

That being said, the other assassins can and will destroy you. Zed is an annoying assfucker unless you keep your shield full all the time (and thus are more open to ganks) LB can all-in you at any point. Katarin and Akali are your bitch, true, but they will still be able to roam.

 

@tragicmat: Heh. Still doing the most champion damage on my team with him. If I can get a jungler who has CC, it's GG. Unfortunately, the J4 in my last game decided that instead of ulting heimer and slapping him down at six, to go bottom and lead our bot lane into getting triple killed by their kha.

Sadly, from there, it was all over. Heimer used his grenade-ult to great effect on our team, repeatedly.

 

Friday night over. Time to shitpost about League. In all seriousness, I don't have much substance to respond with. Like others said, at some point it boils down to Don't Feed, Ward Up. If your team can't manage one of those, you're on the Titanic.

I understand the frustration that Assassins cause, yet I wouldn't remove them because I feel they serve a needed role in the overall balance of the game. For one, they're a large reason why warding is so important. If you face check a bush and find a Rammus, you can probably get away. If you face check and find a LeBlanc, I hope your anus has insurance. They make an unwarded jungle foreboding. They make you roam with team members to minimize their advantage. They keep the ADC in check.

I like these aspects. I like that beating a Champion isn't always about outplaying them in a 1v1. I like that Assassin's show that picks and kills aren't a guaranteed win. I like that split pushing can be an alternative to team fighting. I wouldn't wan't to lose any of these simply because I hate occasionally having a 16/0/9 Zed jump out of bush and do unspeakable things to my butthole.

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I dunno man, that's just not what I've seen. After Irelia gets Tri Force and a defensive item, there's not much most Assassin's can do without being way ahead. Similar cases with a lot of the others. Shrug.

Akali is a special case because of her sustain. Fuck that bitch.

Eh, I don't think it's fair to place blame on the team. Assassin's do have real disadvantages that cause different mistakes at different elo. The LeBlanc can't push fast enough. The Talon can't survive two seconds in a team fight. The enemy team is coordinated. They have CC. The Assassin positions incorrectly and are ineffective. They're Bronze and go too ham. Etc.

If they never make a mistake then congrats, you just got wrecked by someone on their way to Challenger.

While I agree he's strong in silly ways (early wave clear), even Zed has counter play in lane. Living Shadow is on an 18 second cooldown at rank 1. If he uses it to long range poke, that gives the jungler a huge window for a gank that can burn flash or get a kill. Or many ranged laners just start abusing him because there's little risk of counter attack

Leblanc is similar in the early game with Distortion on an 18 second cooldown. If she uses it to waveclear or harass, there is a large window of opportunity.

So they become crappy versions of immobile long range burst champs? I'm not seeing the trade off. Like I said, I agree that mobility is undervalued in a champs overall kit quite often, but if anyone needs it, it's Assassin's. They need tools to get in and do the risky business of putting knives in buttholes before Sion Thundercock throws them to the mat for their arrogance.

 

Sion's Thundercocks sounds like the best name for a league ever.

Imagine, "You have been promoted to Diamond V, Sion's Thundercocks."

 

If you point is that enemies should be more afraid of facechecking into an enemy assassin instead of the enemy tank (whose main job it is to CC and be sticky) because they are probably going to get away from the tank but not the assassin, you've just proved the point that assassins are currently doing too much. One might even go so far as to say that it proves the point of mobility creep, since Riot hasn't made a hard core tank for a long time (is Rek'sai supposed to be a tank? she does a shit ton of damage for one but can build full defense...).

 

A pure tank by itself is not threatening: they need follow up to their CC to get the job done. If there's only a tank missing and you're in the jungle, then you're less likely to be heavily punished for getting some vision.

A burst champ doesn't need that, which makes it more threatening when they're in the fog of war. You need vision up early and often otherwise your squishies can get snapped up when they walk out of lane, thus making vision more valuable.

Also, is Braum somehow not considered a tank?

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Oh yeah, and the Sion remake. Duh. lol

 

u wot m8

 

They remade him... With more mobility. Even Braum (who is a support first) has mobility built into his kit. The way they did it make sense but he can still "Lol nope" his way out of a bad situation.

I consider Sion a fighter. He can build mostly attack items and function.

 

Something that recently helped me to improve, even when facing bad team-mates, was to watch Trick2g. I know he has a bad reputation,'You're just only playing Udyr because of trick2bad', but he's helped me learn how to deal with bad team-mates, just watch this video, it's a long one(~40 minutes) it shows you how to play with a team that just feeds.

There's another thing that I've been doing that trick does also, back dooring. While the enemy's push down mid and your whole teams there defending, just go to top or bot and push. This is especially effective at a lower elo, the enemy usually doesn't know what to do.

 

Sion was a re-release for all intents and purposes. The only thing that slightly resembles his old kit is his shield on W and the passive max HP gain from minion kills. Everything else is completely different.

You can build full AP on Amumu and function does that make him primarily a mage? You can build AD/AS on Lulu and still mostly function does make her a Marksman/Fighter?

Just because there are viable alternate build paths doesn't change the primary and intended role of a champion. Even a damage-built Sion will lose to any actual fighter in a 1v1 unless he sets it up perfectly because his ability set is not built around such a situation. His ability set is built around teamfighting, taking damage, peeling, and initating. These are the things that tanks do, not fighters.

Also while they may have remade Sion with more mobility, one extremely clumsy and unreliable long-range initiation/knockup does not a mobile champ make. Sion is one of the least mobile champs in the game, only tied with people like Urgot.

 

If he was primarily a tank first and fighter second why didn't Riot mark him as such? Why can he harass people out of lane with his E damage? He is a very strong fighter, and I've seen him go toe to toe with other fighters and win or lose based on items.

Underlying this whole talk is a few questions, what defines a tank instead of a fighter? Are roles mutually exclusive, or inclusive (like Riot thinks) and what does that mean when you have a discussion that says "tanks aren't very mobile" or "a tank in the bush should be harder to escape than an assassin."

Don't talk to me about mobility and bring up the likes of Urgot, who has a reposition and a slow. I main Mordekaiser who has literally nothing related to mobility in his kit. I am 100% certain the way we are defining the key terms in this debate are different.

When I say mobility creep I mean that, over time there has been a general trend of giving more characters more ways of maneuvering into, within, or leaving a team fight. I would consider giving every champion some form of crowd control an expression of mobility creep (since without it a hero struggles to remain viable). Having a form or forms of crowd control is basically negative mobility for an opponent, something that is also very common in the game.

I'd be interested to see a way to differentiate between a tank and a bruiser in a meaningful way based on their abilities and not their itemization.

 

The most perfect example of a tank is probably shen.

Why doesn't anyone play Shen anymore?