C'mon guys why are you arguing? This is such an obvious troll its not even funny. Stop fuelling the fire for God's sake.

That being said 7th book, Voldemort was looking for ways to defeat Harry. His quest for Elder Wand was undertaken because he wanted to avoid Priori Incantatem (I hope I didn't butcher the spelling there) and then because even Lucius's borrowed wand failed to do the trick.

 

Snape is not a genius but more on the level of Bellatrix Lestrange. My point of Flamel, Grindlewald was its not hard to think he knew other such geniuses in his more than 100 years of life.

 

I tried, I really did. I went so far as to capitalize 'primary' because I knew you'd ignore it.

Well, I'm not even going to bother if you don't already see why. I suggest you to read the books, since it seems unlikely you have already.

I repeat, I suggest you to read the books, since it seems unlikely you have already.

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See, I knew you were going to say this, so I didn't even bother mentioning him.

 

Malfoy imperiousing Rosmerta, nearly killing Ron and Katie is canon. Dumbledore knowing about Malfoy being a Death Eater is canon. Dumbledore placing Harry at the Durlseys and letting Snape get away with abusing him classes is canon. How can you even deny this?

 

Dude, read the books, and ask these questions:

How many people KNEW these things?
How many people SPECULATED?
Of the people who KNEW them, how many were in a position to testify?
Of the people who SPECULATED, how many were they able to convince?

These questions should answer your doubts. With this, I'm going to stop commenting here, and restate my original suggestion which I have repeated enough number of times for you not to have missed it: READ THE BOOKS.

 

You mean the same Ministry that believed in Lucius Malfoy's innocence? That was still infiltrated by Death Eaters at that time?
Yeah, sounds like a great plan entrusting the care of the most wanted baby into their hands. It's not like there were still Death Eaters running around torturing people is it? Oh wait, yes. The Longbottoms...
And then there's also the little thing about the blood protection he only has with his relatives.

Harry was thrown into these situations, by circumstances and his won curiosity. Dumbledore wasn't omniscient, he made mistakes but he never deliberately put Harry in danger. Other people were involved too.

In PS Voldemort made sure that Dumbledore was out of the school.

In CoS Dumbledore didn't know about the diary because neither Ginny nor Harry told anyone about it. He isn't constantly around the students, he doesn't read their minds on a daily basis, so he couldn't have known.

In PoA Dumbledore tried to get rid of the Dementors, but Fudge, the Ministry (the guys you wanted to give baby Harry to) insisted on them being there. It's not Dumbledore's fault that Harry is so sensitive to their presence.

In GoF again, there was a third party, one Dumbledore didn't know the plans of. It was a fact in canon that once you're in the Tournament, you can't get out, what do you expect him to do? How did Dumbledore use Harry as bait? It wasn't him that put Harry's name into the Goblet...

In OotP it became clear that Dumbledore isn't all powerful, that he is not above the Ministry, he is a member of society and has to adhere to the same rules as everybody, he can't just get rid of a Ministry appointed teacher.

In HBP Dumbledore knew he had to die. That was a fact JKR told us through trusted characters, characters like Dumbledore and Snape who had authority on such things. Just because you don't like that Dumbledore isn't all powerful and omniscient doesn't change that in the way JKR wrote him, he simply wasn't. He was a fallible as any other human. He set up his death in a way that allowed him to make Voldemort trust Snape and save the innocence of one of his students.

He saw Harry as a child and wanted him to have a life as normal as possible. If he had trained Harry, then people like you would find fault it that too, saying Dumbledore raised him as a child soldier and never cared about his personal happiness.

No other option, my dear. Things are what they are.

How did he manipulate Harry? It was Harry's decision. Dumbledore only told him what he knew, that Harry was a Horcrux. Harry realised that he had to die to save everybody else all by himself.

Also, don't forget that JKR was writing adventure books. How interesting would the HP series be, if Dumbledore managed to solve every little problem? It's a fictional book about Harry Potter and his adventures, not about Dumbledore and how he managed to get Harry out of trouble. Wouldn't be a great read, in my opinion.

 

Snape told Dumbledore about Malfoy. We know that from DH. Do you seriously think he couldn't have protected his students from a Malfoy? We also know Malfoy takes the Dark Mark somewhere during the year 6. What more proof do you want? These things are canon. I have read the books a hundred a times.

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Fine but still why didn't check on Harry to make sure he was alright? Instead he ignored Harry and the Dursleys abused him.

Why hide a stone which a Dark Lord is after in a school full of children? It comes back to him here.

He still appointed a fraud like Lockhart. Surely Dumbledore could see he was one a mile away. A better a defense teacher would have prevented it as Harry would have approached him like he did with Lockhart. Responsibilty comes back for him here as well.

 

Dumbledore isn't infallible a great believer in second chances. Malfoy is a useless, cowardly little shit whose parents haven't taught him a fucking thing of value, but he is not evil.

Putting Harry at the Dursley's was the only foolproof way of keeping Harry safe that Dumbledore knew. Past that point, I'm assuming he wanted Harry to have a normal bloody childhood and stayed clear. Besides, I'm guessing Dumbledore had other things to do, too.

Storing the stone at Hogwarts? The safest place other than Hogwarts, or so he assumed, got broken in to the day before he moved it. So he put it closer, where he could watch over it more closely.

Honestly, you have a problem with many of these things BECAUSE you want to have a problem. You have read far too many shitty fix-all indy!Harry fics (as is apparent by your writing) and you need to take a step back to get some perspective.

Both for the sake of your writing and your view of the source material.

You want a good indy!Harry? Go read Dresden Files. That series does basically all the indy!Harry clichés right. Hell, it almost seems to take the piss with how much it goes for them.

 

This really grinds my gears. In the books, the Dursleys' treatment of Harry is supposed to be a point of humour. And Harry's snark in addressing that was awesome.

Edit: I'd argue more here, but honestly, I've had a long day and arguing with an obvious troll doesn't really appeal right now.

 

The Dursleys didn't treat him right, but they never mistreated him physically. He went to school, he had a roof over his head, he had food. Even if you're Dumbledore, you can't make someone love someone else.

Because the Dark Lord was after the stone and Flamel entrusted it to his friend to keep it save, as obviously, a place like Gringotts was not save enough. Dumbledore didn't know that his Defence teacher played host for the disembodied spirit of Voldemort.

Finding a new Defence teacher for a position everybody believed to be cursed wasn't exactly easy. Dumbledore had to take who he could get. JKR made that clear.

First of all, the Order was not active at that point. And secondly, the Order members have real life jobs too. They aren't like Aurors, they do this in their free time. And thirdly, the Ministry and Fudge wanted the Dementors there. Not wizards, not Aurors, but Dementors.

Maybe Dumbledore had other things to do too, and believed Harry would manage?

There was a reason he ignored him. At the time Dumbledore thought this was the best course of action, and if you think it was wrong, then this just supports the view that Dumbledore is human and makes mistakes. He didn't ignore Harry out of spite, that much should be obvious.

For his plan (to die at the end of the year) he had to let Malfoy stay, didn't he? He tried to keep an eye on Malfoy via Snape. But Malfoy didn't share his plans with Snape, so they didn't know he would let Death Eaters into the school. And Dumbledore also believed in second chances. He knew Malfoy's motivation was saving his family, and while we all know that Malfoy isn't a good person, Dumbledore still saw redeeming qualities in him.

Unless, of course, Dumbledore thought that Harry's ability to love and care would win them the war in the end, not his fighting abilities that could never be on par with Voldemorts anyway (not in time, at least).

Or maybe he thought it would only put further strain on Harry, to hunt for Horcruxes all the while knowing he would die soon?

No, it's the plot. It's a story, not real life. To keep readers interested you have to keep them on their toes, have them wonder how things will turn out etc. create suspense. She didn't want Dumbledore to be infallible and omniscient, she didn't want him to be the one to save the day, so she made sure that Dumbledore wasn't, and created circumstances that would allow Harry to be the hero.

 

Voldemort doesn't consider Harry a threat (and rightly so, without Deus Ex Machina he's nothing). Harry is a major PR problem for him, but not a threat.

As for the curse on the Ring:
1) there's no such thing as uncurable. No more than the Killing Curse, if you know what I mean,
2) Riddle may be a genius, but for all we know, he made the Horcrux when he was 16 and hasn't visited it since,
3) even if Dumbledore was unable to fix himself, he still had a few good months left. Damning himself and his allies for the human waste of Snape and the Malfoy family was definitely a bad move.

 

There are known after-effects of Dark magic in canon that are uncurable.

Possibly, and for all we know, he could have made the Horcrux later. Either ways, it still doesn't guarantee that his protections weren't added later. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

It could also be that Dumbledore's natural death might have ended up being worse than a quick death, or it might have left visible aftereffects, which if they became public might have clued Voldemort in on the Horcruxes. A natural death of a powerful wizard like Dumbledore would have been very suspicious.

Dumbledore also believed that Malfoy wouldn't be able to kill him, and expected it to be Snape. It might have been an additional consideration, since a natural death would have been worse for morale of the Order compared to the knowledge that Dumbledore only died because he trusted Snape.

While Snape and Malfoy were a consideration, I don't see why you seem to jump to the conclusion that they were the only consideration.

 

The Killing Curse is also "known" for being always successful. Which is what I said the first time.

It's quite simple. In the most likely scenario it's a curse laid by 16-year-old Riddle.

I'm sure someone as skilled as Dumbledore could find a workable solution. Besides, at any point in time after HBP Voldemort could've learned about Dumbledore's blackened hand from one of his Death Eaters and connect the dots.

How would that be worse than seeing that he was wrong about the thing he was the most adamant about? That's the kind of thing that shakes your faith in a leader.

I'm not jumping to conclusions. This was an assisted suicide and those people were the only reason why Dumbedore decided to die at that particular moment in time.

 

He needed Snape alive because Snape was his only trusted ally on Voldemort's side. Once Dumbledore was dead, Harry would need all the help he could get. Snape was the one who placed the sword in the lake so that Harry could retrieve it; Snape was the one Dumbledore told about the Horcrux in Harry. So it seems him dying at this point so that Snape could live and help Harry when necessary was, in the grand scheme of things, the best thing he could do to help them win the war.

 

You've been on DLP for 2 years and these are the threads you start?

 

Relevant quote is relevant.

 

I'd say Dumbledore made a number of mistakes, but you're overdoing it by far.

 

Wasn't there already a rather long thread about pretty much this same thing? Somebody wrote something explaining Dumbledore's character. Maybe you can link to that and have him read it.

 

I think you're talking about this thread: Understanding Dumbledore.

Here's my ruminations on the topic.

 

I agree, if Dumbledore intervened at every single part of the story, and where he needed help, the story wouldn't be that good, and besides, it is just a bloody book, just give it a rest.