I assume you hate Harry just as much as Ron then? Cause Ron is basically Harry Potter without a Dues Ex Machina.

 

I don't mind Ron in canon. I do mind how much authors suck at writing him.

 

No... just no...

I won't even waste time listing the dozens of differences between them.

 

I dislike reading Ron now cause I'm bored with him. I've seen countless fics with him in it and he's not interesting to me anymore.

Also, Harry and Ron are very similar, anyone ignoring that is just kididng themselves.

 

Waste the time, if you have an argument you should explain it instead of just saying you are right without an explanation.

 

OP made this thread in hopes of finding a bunch of kindred Ron-hating souls and is now a tiny bit frustrated when people go ,"nah, Ron's cool". I can't help but derive some satisfaction from that.

Ron, totally out of nowhere, turned out to be one of the best written characters in the series. Of course, just a glance is insufficient to judge anyone - even Voldemort was more than just a typical Big Bad Villain With A Past, though it's easy to assume so if you don't look deeper. Then there's the recent Snape thread, which does prove one thing - Snape was an absolute asshole, but a complicated one.

It's tough to wrap one's head around the fact how someone can think that a character who got the second most screentime (on par with Hermione) could be reduced to a shallow, shitty teenager. Ron is so much more than that and if you disagree (because this is actually an objective fact), the best way to disabuse yourself of this notion is to read the books again.

 

whoops, wrong button, please ignore.

 

It seems like everyone who thinks Ron is the worst thing has never actually interacted with real people. They expect every character to be some shining beacon of perfection that simply doesn't exist in reality. Everyone does bad things sometimes, especially as fucking teenagers. Like, you criticise him for being jealous or insecure in the time of his life when everyone is insecure.

Who the hell wants to read a story when everyone does the right thing and is perfect. That's just boring. A story needs conflict, relationships need to change and develop over time, fights and all.

And shit like this:

Have you any real concept of how human relationships work. Obviously Hermione shouldn't fall in love with the person she was friends with for 7 years, who she's been through so many experiences and ups and downs with. Nah she should obviously fall in love with that foreign dude she went on a date with once, four years ago and hasn't met since. Or Cormac who, in her own words: "McLaggen makes Grawp look a gentleman". People fall in love for their own reasons, usually over time and often with people they've known for a long time. And even then why would that make you hate Ron, what has he done wrong in that? Oh no, how dare he be in love with someone that you think is too good for him. What a terrible crime he has committed there...

How the hell do you know what Ron's dreams are about? At what point in the story are you witness to his inner hopes and dreams?

 

Absolutely agree with this. I was really getting used to (and bored with) the typical Harmonian blather about Ron being at best a magical Dudley who just happened to not bully Harry, at worst the Gryffindor equivalent of Draco.

Then I had chance to read the books again (and bless whomever transcribed them into the PDF files I have).

This punched a huge hole in the 'Harry never tells anyone about his home life' garbage and reminded me that the reason Harry and Ron get along is that they have similar desires: to make a name for themselves based on who they are and not what their families had done. In another life where Harry had never been orphaned, he and Ron would still have been friends during school.

 

Oh, I don't dislike him as a character. I think he was good for the story.

 

It's called character interpretation.

I obviously used Fleur as a stand-in for the kind of girl Ron would "dream" about, who would be out of his league - as opposed to Hermione.

 

"Hate" is a strong word, I suppose.

Better to say that I dislike him.

I like him as a character; I like him as a person;

My dislike for him has more to do with the fact that he was too much of a main character.

I mean, Snape is my 3rd favorite character. But god knows if he had as much screentime as Ron I'd hate him.

 

That's a bizarre reason to dislike a character. You don't like Ron because he got too much screentime?

Does this mean that your feelings about Harry would best be reflected in a brutal homicide, where Harry is the victim and you the cannibal who cooked and ate his liver and balls and when police showed up, you said, "Good of me to slaughter that reptile. And btw Potter, your nuts were disgustiiiing hee hee hee!"

Or that you would have preferred HP to be a one-man show, wherein no one budges in on Harry's screen presence?

Does this mean that your favorite character in the series is someone like Sally-Anne Perks, or Daphne Greengrass? The less of them the better?

lol you fuckin wot mate?

 

I think he's saying that Ron was not good enough to warrant the amount of screentime and importance that he had.

Which is ridiculous, but there.

 

You just made a 'Hate Ron' thread and now you're saying you don't dislike the character.
You're consistent I'll give you that. And I maybe wrong but didn't someone get banned for starting a 'hate Dumbledore' thread not too long ago?

On the thread, personally I think he is a good character because he is flawed. Amongst all of Harry's friends he is the only one who has something remotely resembling a redemption-arc. He makes mistakes, big ones at that but he is never above admitting them. Acknowledging you made a mistake and apologizing for it is often the hardest thing a person has to do. It takes character to do that.
Rowling has emphasized throughout the books how the little things matter in the long run. How acts of kindness, mercy, love, loyalty, courage, sacrifice can be more powerful than the strongest of spells and at the end of the day that's what the HP books have been all about.

 

Each character has strengths and weakness; and I'm not talking about their personality but what they add to the story.

Snape is my 3rd favorite character, but he would not work if he had significant screentime because he would overwhelm the rest of the story.

Albus is my favorite character, but if he had as much screentime as Ron, he would overwhelm every other character.

Take much of Ron's screentime and distribute it among various characters and the series would be slightly better.

Ron is a good character, but he doesn't warrant significant screentime.

 

Right? Ron's screentime should be given to Harry's best friend, the one who's been on all his adventures and life threatening situations together, and with whom he's been friends since they were 11 years old.




... Oh. Right.

 

You know, Dumbledore does a lot of betraying and fucking up himself, especially based on what we learn about him in the later books. What's the difference between him and Ron, aside from magical ability?

 

A kick-ass beard?