But look how the votes shifted off him and onto KaiDASH....

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Like, D1 Proph comes under pressure, no counterwagon springs up. (Flashwagon on Jan blah blah whatever)

D2, Proph comes under pressure and the only "counterwagon" is me and Proph voting Rubicon.

Proph flips town.

D3 Rubicon comes under pressure, KaiDASH counterwagon springs up.

I mean maybe I'm oversimplifying it but here's the part where we're getting gamestate resistance / clash.

 

and kaidash gives zero fucks.

i got a replacement player to bite on a fake red and then am just finding it hard to put them on a team and finding everything else BESIDES that reaction to be towny.

yes, the reaction was probably poor and probably exactly what I was trying to bait. i'm probably being dumb but like... they have zero win condition and had virtually zero win condition all day and didn't seem to care. whoever 'they' are, if they're outside your confident towns (yourself/fonti/kai/myself/etc). that leaves 5 people. 3 would be scum. scum need two mislynches or a mislynch and for me to shoot incorrectly. they literally need to push two specific people and yet everybody is along for the ride. I can't get over it.

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that counterwagon is almost purely due to myself trying to get people to react and take stands because they won't otherwise. i'd love for someone to tell me to fuck off and push what they believe right now. instead it's follow the (clueless) leader (me) and wait for his stamp of approval or something.

 

And that's not an unreasonable point.

I just don't see another narrative.

I see the narrative of Rubicon/TN/LochNess and lol gambit worked.

I see the narrative of "fonti pulling the strings and rolling us" but, like, I'm just over it.

I kiiiiiiinda see some sorta weird Jan/Delphine/X team just based on, I'm not even sure, almost entirely gut/feels negative space.

I don't really see anything else, and I am legitimately concerned I'm going to burn out on mafia from this game from thinking about it.

 

yeah, likewise. it'll be a learning experience. i'll probably reread it a lot once it's over, feel stupid, and want to hit things, hard.

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go against my better judgement and lynch rubicon under the assumption that loch and tn would look better for biting so hard if he does flip town?

in which case... good fucking luck. i don't know if I take a shot tonight. I probably leave it to triple lylo and hope the towns have some fight in them.

 

I dunno. I feel like when we talked about KaiDASH you definitely lowered my TownShield, now I'm kinda like "eh let him fucking defend himself, I'm done with it." Like.... I can't stand in the way of that lynch strictly because of gut.

I mean... not to be the "oh let's infolynch" guy especially since being wrong is lylo, but like, yeah. Rubicon flipping town kinda clears LochNess/TN, and Rubicon flipping mafia looks suuuuuper good for Jan I think? I mean also objectively it clears me, so, uh.

Fuck I dunno. I won't deny that Rubicon has sounded town at some points today. I might be wrong. I don't have enough conviction to shove it down anyone's throat.

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I'm going to bed. Can't guarantee I can be around for EoD since I have work in the morning.

 

you won't eat a bullet for being wrong, at least from me, so don't be shy. not after you engage me for this long and do as much work as you did yesterday. if you are scum you are outplaying town and to win they'll have to earn it in lylo.

feels wrong but fuck me

Vote: Rubicon

 

So this is pretty much where I'm at.

kaidash

newcomb
fontisian

dlgn - Claim rings true, his thought process hasn't seemed faked or rushed throughout the game, though how he approaches things is different.

delphine - Her nervous indecisiveness is inline with other games I've seen here in. This is definitely bolstered by others townreading her.

lochness - Dat flail. I also disliked how she didn't own her vote on me (here).
tn - His thoughts seem somewhat crafted, like he's made up his mind already and is making words to fit the agenda.
Jan - posted on this already.

Rubicon - bluh

 

I don't know that this is really because of either of their behavior

because they both really don't give a shit when they could be so much better, have spent most of the game tunneling each other and prophy, have fonti as lock town for ??? and are possibly appealing to me with these fuckin townreads

but because of how the wagons have played out, and because of gut

and perhaps most of all because i want to fucking go to sleep

vote Rubicon

 

But I also said I skimmed through the games in my old posts (like titles) after and remember being scum in Awesomafia.. since it was a closed set up I looked at the type of roles there were. I don't remember playing in other closed set up ones so that was my basis.

Also, am happy to lynch Rubicon today. Just don't know how many we are at, so for now:
Rescind VOte

Don't want to push into an insta lynch

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Rescind Vote
I keep forgetting red

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bold not red

 

Tracker here. LochNess went nowhere last night. No other targets because x-shot. No flavor.

Would probably accept her as a compromise lynch if I have to, but would much, much prefer KaiDASH. I only skimmed this back-and-forth between you guys but yeah you all crazy, dude's mafia.

I'm going back to sleep, should be here again before deadline.

 

Um

I am a tracker with limited shots .......

I don't know if that means you're scum or if this is Eido being eido

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Cuz there was the multi joat bullshit that one time right

 

What is x-shot? The same thing as limited shots?

 

Yes /10chars

 

oh shit

good morning and

idk

 

Man I was so operating under the assumption that it was scum role cop + prob 2 goons vs neighbors vig me and trying to use my role accordingly and I now am just ......

 

I'm too tired for that shit, lol.

If it was anyone else than you I'd say fuck that but I dunno. This does seem like the kind of thing eido would find hilarious. High power setup w/ extra scum roles, multiple x-shots add up to one full-shots or something stupid like that.

 

both of you rand your track tonight between... fonti and your 'cc'

you both out the result of your track at the same time tomorrow. i don't think you're together but if you are well played and this is obviously futile. but yeah, do that, I think.

btw did either of you soft or have any way of bolstering your claim at all? also have you used any charges delphine?

 

I never crumb, sorry.

Some of my pokes at Koalas were because I was deciding whether to target him, but n1 it was a waste of a shot and then he replaced out.

 

12p:
forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=29783
Zenzao: Town Double Voter
His fluffiness: Town 2-Shot Tracker
Rubicon: Town 1-Shot Bulletproof
Snowvon: Vanilla Town
Newcomb: Vanilla Town
Jan: Vanilla Town
Scott Press: Vanilla Town
weiyaoli: Vanilla Town
Citrus: Vanilla Town

Seratin: Mafia Rolecop
Vira: Mafia 2-Shot Doctor
blab: Mafia Goon

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13p:
www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aHSCAhPS52F forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=24881
Town:
Prophylaxis (Mal, JoaT - 1-shot cop/jail/neighborise)
Fontisian (Kaylee, JoaT - 1-shot tracker/vig/doc)
Sesc (Simon, 2-shot Doc)
Fishy Justice (Mr. U, Desperado)
Riley (River, Vanilla)
BitMyFinger (Monty, Vanilla)
TMNTurtwig (Inara, Vanilla)
Blab (Wash, Vanilla)
Bill Door (Zoe, Vanilla)

Neutral:
Lexicat (Hands of Blue, Hitman)

Mafia:
Aekiel (JoaT: 1-shot rb, 1-shot rolecop, 1-shot redirect)
Caesar (Bulletproof)
Lungs (Goon)

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12p:
quicktopic.com/50/H/uX7uhfgtTyV forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=24788

2-shot Cop - Caesar
2-shot Vig - Kalas
Bodyguard - Fishy Justice
VT - Wetnurse
VT - Fontisian
VT - Guljons
VT - Vira
VT - TMNTurtwig
VT - LuckyLee

Roleblocker - Sacrifice
Rolecop - Lungs
Goon - Rents

"moderately weak town" "limited daychat for scum"

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12p:
forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=23824 www.quicktopic.com/50/H/JjMPg5ttyUkmg
Town:
Mason: Uncle Stojil
Mason: Kaemrynn
1-shot Untargetable: Fenraellis
Vanilla: Castiel
Vanilla: Moridin
Vanilla: Kalas
Vanilla: Riley Poole
Vanilla: Jwlk
Vanilla: Sesc

Mafia:
Rolecop: Bill Door
Goon: Rubicon
Goon: Fontisian

"Yeah, it was a low powered, but balanced setup. In a game this small, masons are very strong, as it's effectively two confirmed town, with no real way for the scum team to manipulate it. Cop can't check a godfather, be shot n1 or be chain roleblocked.

The one-shot untargetable was effectively a bulletproof - unfortunately he died without claiming, as he could have been another 'near confirmed town' that scum would not want to shoot. Once the rolecop died, at least.

The rolecop mafia side was neutered by, well - there being a lack of town power roles. It was effectively there to let them use up the 1-shot untargetable if/when Fen was forced to claim. If Fen played well and drew the NK, then it was a huge boon to town."

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13p:
www.quicktopic.com/48/H/b6DjWSSRyb8gf forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=22700

Mafia Goon
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Godfather (inv-immune)

Doctor
Vigi
Cop
Town Schizophrenic (MUP)
VT x 5

Neutral Survivor

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13p:
forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=22357&page=17

Serial Killer

Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Mafia Godfather

Doc
BP
Cop
VT x 6

 

oh also yeah this

Vote: KaiDASH