Let's not lynch Plotless. Demons are inevitable, and I'd rather lynch a likely Witch than a likely villager.

Vote: LochNess

 

The roles still unclaimed are Judge , Apprentice , Survivalist , D.O.B. , Fanatic , Hunter and
Loose Cannon with one of those gone if all the claims are real. The information doesn't help the witches and can aid us I guess. There are eight town and three witches alive at the moment. Three town are confirmed at the moment.

If the Loose Cannon is a witch, it removes a witch to take out a town so i can live/die with that as long as it isn't late game.

My assumption which generally bites me in the arse when I base too much of a game on it is that they don't have Survivalist, Gravedigger and Judge as the exact team. I think in that exact world Plotless tries to be towny as possible until the game is unwinnable for our side.

Apprentice generally picks gravedigger when town to provide solid information for town as the circumstances where a Judge acts is far less frequent in a game.

 

Kais plan only works if we believe plotless is scum and are sure enough that the hunter is town.

in that play we always force the hunter to claim today, because if we dont do that and the hunter shoots wrong (not the target we assign him to shoot), mafia can just claim their throwaway role and we are fucked.

I have to read american gods again, because i do not like plotless inactivity this game, but i am unsure how he played in american gods tbh.


coming back to the kai read i was asked about.

i think kais play for the most part reads really similar to last game.
very carefree fun loving, while still being inquisitive.

That similarity alone makes him my hardest townread out of the unconfirmed.


Newcomb , do you read plotless town behaviorally? If so, can you pointt your finger on why and where.

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Also .. considering the roles left as unclaimed .. the throw away role is between fanatic hunter and apprentice.

I do not hink they throw away LC Judge dob or survivalist.

In the world where plotless is fake they could have thrown away the gravedigger and he kept apprentice or something like survivalist.

 

Plotless isn't fake though unless you want to ignore both dLGN's action and Snowvon's action. That makes both Plotless and Snowvon in that world witches so the game is easy. It also requires the apprentice to be removed from the game as well or on the Judge. Only one role is gone which we all know. It's confirmed Cobalt is the gambler as he claimed it.

I am not going deep into the weeds as there was a mod message confirming dLGN as his role and the Gravedigger received a life. No one else has counter claimed Plotless. So in the world you are proposing the witches tossed Gravedigger and had Apprentice which would be on Judge.

The witches have to control apprentice to make this plan work otherwise its undone by a town apprentice being told there is no gravedigger in the game. So wouldn't Plotless just be the gravedigger instead of some much more convoluted plan anyway ?

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Someone among the unconfirmed tell me the flaw in Kai's plan leaving aside Plotless's alignment even though that's also a flaw if he is town. I had no comment for a reason because I wanted someone to just say it but my patience has worn out.

 

Plotless is most likely the gravedigger but that does not make him town.

But yeah i agree he can only be not the gravedigger is snowvon is scum.

 

Jan gets plus 5 town points though for bringing up the plotless might be town flaw though.

 

That is not a point, that is a risk we have with every lynched in the unconfirmed.

The big risk is still that we need to force a hunter to claim, because if we dont that fucks us.


We should always lynch within the roleclaims, because lynching outside of that might hit a scum dob and kill the priest. (dob is always a daykill and cant be protected from).

So the best lynches are always between Snowvon, LochNess and Plotless.


That reminds me .. how sure are you that the person who was watched by pt gets a message newcomb? Need to check that one out.

be back in a minute.

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Ok so no message for the watched person.

I was so hoping to get a slip out of the Snowvon/Plotless interaction, whatever.

 

I had rather kill a witch today than try to do something convoluted to avoid the possible contamination of my check regardless. I've already shifted the parameters of my potential checks which I am never discussing in the thread in detail. Someone should ask me to tell them in detail so I can weave a set of lies for fun.

(I am going to check among 7 people without asking anyone who I should check by the way)

 

Can you a bit more into detail robert?

Asking for a friend.

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+go
/tenchar...

 

How likely is it that either Snowvon or LochNess fake claimed if they are witches ? I am just saying that aside from plotless who is like almost always the gravedigger no matter his alignment that there is no guarantee I don't get shot in the face. It's just much less likely with the claimed is all.

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Jan I might check someone I play with on a regular basis for fun. I might check a guy who substituted into the game because I want to know his alignment. I might check a brand new player to see what they do once their alignment is confirmed. I might check the guy with two lives.

OMG I just claimed I know who the survivalist is with that slip. I might check a Jim because another Jim is a friend of mine and you can never have enough Jim's in your life.

I might check one of the outed roles even though it is more useful to check in the un-claimed at this point. Clearly that means I am checking you dLGN because you and Citrus are meta submarine levels deep with your witch play.

Is that everyone ? The slips are too real as I left someone out of the list there.

 

Agreed with Slippery that Kai's plan doesn't work because there are chances that scum could just end up killing him anyways with another role and that is just an extra town killed.


Snow's target for his check makes it obvious that he is a witch because if he wasn't he wouldn't be worried about what info I got and confirming that. He would have checked me instead of Plotless.

 

~Vote Count 2.03~

[2] LochNess ~ KaiDASH (#902), Snowvon (#921)
[2] Snowvon ~ LochNess (#865), SlipperyAxII (#919)
[1] The Waco Kid ~ Newcomb (#910)

[6] Not Voting ~ Aria, dLGN, Jan, Plotless, Prophylaxis, The Waco Kid

With 11 alive, it's 6 votes to soft-lynch and 9 votes to hard-lynch!

Deadline is at Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:00:00 PM (Washington DC, District of Columbia time).

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2.01 | 2.02

 

I'm not sure why you'd think that plotless is likely town here.

We're getting the fluffiness special out of him currently, and his postings on day 1 were only marginally better - The only notably towny thing he did was question why GD should claim in a transparent manner. Something that could have come from either alignment since he genuinely didn't know.

So, Newcomb, Snowvon - can you guys say exactly why you think that plotless is town.

Oh! That's the mistake we've been making this entire time - we've not been lynching exclusively into the pool of mechanically confirmed scum.

 

I have like zilch on Plotless because as far as I can remember he hasn't done anything non-role-related since I've subbed in. When I was just spectating the game, I had a strong gut lean town on him because I thought the way he talked about people talking about the GD claiming and then the way he claimed was fairly towny.

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KaiDASH same thing

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I dunno if witch!Plotless would be this apathetic when he's literally their meal ticket. Like if Plotless is a witch and gets generally townread with an extra life, that is the ballgame. So why is he just doing... nothing?

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I should probably skim AGM I guess? I feel like Plotless was less lurky in that but still not super active.

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Hm, I think the contrapositive of this line of thinking is that if Plotless is indeed town, Kai looks super sketch for pushing on him with that plan because literally how else are witches going to deal with a town GD who got a yolo extra life D1?

 

idk.

in my head plotless is like "[Help!] The town isn't realizing how towny I am (´･ω･`)"

Spoiler

Then he saw those two posts and is like "Nailed it! Better not post so I don't unnail it"

 

Could be. idk in my spectator QT I had you as lockdown as "Actual Priest or mafia" and Plotless as 99% town for the way he claimed, but it's a lot easier to just say shit when you're not really in the game.

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dLGN where ya at?

 

Yeah it's bad.

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What are your thoughts on lochness / snowvon voting each other?

Her d1 vote was super non-committal and almost completely disowned the vote, making me think when she's scum snowvon isn't (since weak votes don't get credits).

Her d2 push on snowvon is essentially "he didn't verify whether I was telling the truth" which is kind of ???. Like sure, that happened, but it feels like a scummy line to take - would town be so concerned about being perceived as truthful?

Can you check out snowvon's votes / posts about this?

 

Man what kind of weird role reversal shit are we doing when you're prodding me to do stuff.

FYI one of the reasons I went super hard on replacing in was that I started a new job on Monday and it's kind of kicking my ass, so I don't have a ton of mental energy for this game, not that I really did in the first place.

I'll look at Snowvon / Lochness voting patterns tonight, but I kinda remember thinking "almost definitely one between them but not both" for some reason based on EoD.

 

hey everybody I am back and am going to catch up and try and do work in the last <24hrs before EOD

that vote count is pretty on the eyes for more than one reason. too bad we don't get flips but it looks like some lines are being drawn.

 

The main reason that vote count is easy on the eyes is that Delphine is a straight up BAWSE.