Harry potter is desperate, he's tried everything and he's only got 1 option left. A ritual so heinous and with so many variables that he's sure even Voldemort hasn't gone through it.

The Ritual Entails:

Harry Must kill his own unborn child
The Child must be of his own blood on both sides (Petunia Carrying it)
Should be on his 17 birthday
On his ancestors bones (Godrics Hollow)
Can't be willing
She must be of sound mind
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The ritual doesn't give Harry any just insane powerboost or anything, it transfers the unborns child "magical essence" or whatever you want to call it too Harry. So as Harry gets older so will the other magical essence, he will gradually get stronger. It matures with him.
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This ritual is done out of sheer desperation but could potentially (how the author wants to do it) make him "darker" from committing such a heinous act.

Throughout the story Harry will continue to grow stronger from the rituals effect and this should be a MAJOR part of the story. Not just "Oh yeah I remember that, now I cast stupefy like 2 wizards.




Another thing I was thinking about but put off because it's just a wee bit too M-pregish for me is that the magical essence develops a conciseness, that is just an idea of mine though, not really part of the challenge.

 

It's sound rather twisted to me (especialy part with Petunia)) but I would read this. Though It will take a great deal of planing. This should be after school not at 17, isn't it? Because Harry's birthday is in the middle of holliday so he should get to Petunia during the school year or child will be one month old then and it's technicaly barely a 2cm long (I don't know if this matter though? but well..).
I think that Petunia will be pretty willing if she is of sound mind to get rid of the child.. If that is that you mean. And I thought what it takes at least some year's for magical core to be mature enough to perform even simple spell's what will Harry do all this time? And well... does this really worth it? I always thought that it's not power Harry is lacking, but perhaps skill and experience (look at Patronus, and he beat Voldemort (even if he was weak but Harry too) during the duel). But it will work for dark Harry I think. Sorry for bad English.

 

Well, this is, to put it mildly, one of the sickest and most twisted ideas for a fic I've ever heard of. A ritual such as the one you described is dangerously close to gratuitous abjectness; you know, find the most disgusting idea imaginable and write it down just for the sadistic fun of it.

Starts off with infanticide. I may be revolted; I know others won't be and will still read the fic. But he'd better have a damn good reason to do the ritual, because, knowing his character, I can't see how he can get out of it with his reason intact.

I suppose there's a way you can justify that... Such as, if he wants the child's 'magical essence' to be transferred to him without his body rejecting the strange 'essence', it has to be a hundred per cent his own blood. But again—God, you had to add incest to infanticide (without mentioning the fact that the idea of Harry shagging Petunia doesn't exactly appeal to me).

That's the cherry on top, one may say. You ensure that Harry's actions stay abominable no matter how you look at them.

A post-HBP story requires that you take into account what happened in HBP; including the developments (or lack thereof) of Harry's personality. In other words, an author that takes on a post-HBP challenge should write Harry as IC as possible (which is doable, even for a DLP writer).

It so happens that your challenge requires to write Harry completely OOC. Not even average DLP OOCness, ie, same character but considerably more independent and strong-willed; but you need to turn him more than desperate (he isn't actually desperate at the end of HBP, merely determined), you need to make him absolutely certain that he doesn't stand a chance against Voldemort, completely oblivious of everything he was taught, unfazed by the atrocity of his own actions as soon as they make him more powerful... more than dark, insane would be a good word here.

Anyway, accumulating such heinous (as you put it) facts one on top of the other isn't my idea of a good story. To be honest, I would feel as if the author was trying way too hard to make the ritual disgusting, and instead of having my interest aroused, I would quickly get tired of it. In order not to get that reaction from me, you really have to write the ritual and Harry's character exceptionally well. And Harry'd better be desperate to the very last degree, otherwise nothing makes sense and the actions depicted are written in a purely gratuitous way.

This brings me to wonder if, as Dasha said, it's really worth the effort.

I have to say one thing though: the idea of a second 'magical essence' growing inside of him is quite original. If it could be written without the murder, rape and incest implied in your challenge, it would actually be a story I'd enjoy reading.

For instance: Harry having a son, but stealing his 'magical essence' from him at birth, for the greater good—thus leaving the child weakened and deprived of all magical abilities. It is anything but a good action, it's even morally unforgivable IMO; but it's subtler than an accumulation of gruesome acts. Plus (as a second part of the story) if Harry grows up to see his son constantly ill and weak, ignoring his father is the cause for his weakness and having an absolute faith in him, it could lead to pretty interesting developments in Harry's character. This is the kind of things that might turn him dark.

 

This is supposed to be an extremely desperate Harry, Voldemort is completely ravaging the entire world, I have no time right now but I'll try and explain it when I get back from school.

 

While a very, very sick idea i think this has some potential. Although you would need one hell of an author to pull it off. My vote would go to vash, i reckon he could make a great job of this.

 

If Master Slytherin could plan ahead (Yes, I'm looking at you MS) he'd be my first candidate for this story.

The story, as Tinn says, would seriously have to push Harry into a desperate, dark, and utterly hopeless corner. The only thing that I find wrong with all this is what Harry is going to do in the couple or so months the child is growing.

It would be all well and easy if Harry was at Hogwarts, but that's obviously not the case - if Hogwarts is standing he's far from desperate.

From what I see, the Order must be all but decimated. Ron, Hermione, and Ginny must all die in front of him. He must be injured heavily as well, and probably should barely escape to somewhere remote to lick his wounds, presumably where he finds the information regarding this ritual.

To really tip Harry, the only thing that saved Harry's life should be the clause of the prophecy dictating that only Voldemort can kill him. This would slam into Harry the realization that he is weak.

This super attack should not come all at once, obviously, but for a period of years. I forecast Harry at 19 or so when he attempts this ritual.

Harry should also be severely disgusted with himself at this point, and this would realistically put him in a slump. So...Angst.

As for the ritual itself, it's possible just to kill the child while in Petunia's womb. Like, Harry's ritual causes the baby to die, making Petunia kneel over or something in pain.

You don't have to make it graphic (ie - Harry cut the bloodied mass out and stabbed it repeatedly) but make it more symbolic and leave it up to the reader.

 

This isn't supposed to be like, Oh wow, I'm desperate, Lets go rape my Aunt on my parents grave and then kill the baby.

This is supposed to be last ditch, He will be disgusted with himself and there may be some angst, personally I hate angst but it doesn't have to be, Harry sat there for hours thinking about what he had done, he hated himself and wondered if he was any better then Voldemort, or Harry could be so convinced that it was for the greater good that he ignores his obvious disgust with himself and pushes on, he can worry about angsting over his actions when the war is over.

Having a child and stealing it's magical essence just doesn't seem dark enough for a ritual of this magnitude, I was trying to make it extremely perverse so that Harry wouldn't be able to just do the ritual and keep going, but have it be a major plotline.

I thought up the ritual before I thought up the effect, I came up with that after I realized that it would tie in with the ritual and actually make sense instead of: Harry cut himself in various places and now he has times 10 power.

I'm not trying to propose a squick fic. But you got my reasoning for having to be his own blood. It also adds another thing to make it more interesting, someone he knows and doesn't like, rather than some random off the street. Harry/Petunia doesn't appeal to me either but it's not going to be a romance, and it doesn't even have to be graphic. Or you could even add another element to the requirements, must be done out of revenge. Well he gets revenge on Petunia as well. Remember, it's not like Harry has a choice of 10 cousins, Petunia is his only relative left.

If you took away everything I proposed it would a pretty bear ritual.

I assure you that this is not my intent, I think it's a legitimate plot device, if this was just supposed to be the sickest thing I could think of I would write it myself instead of putting up there for other people to write. Someone else writing it could turn it into a story whereas if I was just trying to think up the sickest thing possible I would write it and put as many disgusting and perverse ideas into the story as I could.

Isn't defeating Voldemort and saving the wizarding world as he knows it a pretty good to reason to do anything? After doing the ritual he probably wouldn't be the same, but he'd still be the same person. And infanticide is fairly disgusting but surely you've read fics with worse things. Serious fics even.

I'll try to address the OOC issue.

We have on idea how Harry will be in book 7. And this is indeed set in his 7th year, even if Hogwarts isn't around. He could come out desperate and looking for ways to get an advantage over Voldemort, we don't know.

It's not going to be Harry gets out of Hogwarts, sits around at Private Drive for a month and then decides to rape Petunia. Voldemorts is going to be taking advantage of Dumbledores death, destroying everything, killing and destroying he holds dear to him. Harry will do what he can but he is too weak. He learns about this ritual (authors choice how) and probably just throws it aside. Maybe something catastrophic happens that drives him to do it. Maybe the entire Weasley family is killed and Hogwarts got razed, that going to change him.

Harry doing this is no more OOC then Harry snapping and killing the Durseleys.
He could be insane before he does it.

Accumulating such heinous (as I put it) and piling them on top each other to make the sickest ritual I could think is not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to make a ritual that's realistic, that actually has sacrifice for it's power.

Not quite, she can't be willing when he impregnates her.

Harry turns 17 in the summer between his 6th and 7th year. He's sacrificing his unborn child, it's the authors choice at how far along Petunia should be.

This is never said, the way magic works is never described, but think about accidental magic, they have to be able to at least partly use it. Actually it would be interesting if as the magical core was developing Harry suffered from bouts of accidental magic. Maybe the essence would develop faster under the influence of Harry's own essence, or slowly meld with his own, whatever the author chooses.

Actually I was thinking the final part of the ritual would be spell or something that transefered the essence/killed the fetus.

Not just Harry punches Petunia in the stomach and gets another essence.

 

No offense, but why would anyone want to read this? Sounds like nothing but disgusting angsty crap.

Challenge is createive, I suppose, but I don't find it even remotely appealing or entertaining.

 

Killing your unborn child - $8.99

Doing a ritual on your 17th birthday - $12.99

Doing it where you were born -- $15.99

Finding some bitch of sound mind and raping her -- $13.99

Fucking your aunt and making a baby with her -- Priceless.

 

This seems like something I'd expect to find over at AdultFanFiction.net or something. Original, but not terribly apealing. I agree with what was said above, this looks like a fill-in-the-blank Dark Arts Ritual. Sacrifice the ____ on the hour of ____ at the place where ____ and gain ____. And adding in the raping of Petunia, the sacrifice of Harry's own child (an act that, for a man who loves and desires family as much as Harry does, is quite possibly worse than the entire world being ruled by Voldemort), and there's not even an instant power boost?? This is an angst and emo fic, semi-post-apocalyptic in flavor, with what appears to be a Harry that is a younger Voldemort with a cool scar. Or, that's how I'd assume a fic would be written for this challenge.

 

Harry does want his own family, yes, but I'm doubting with Petunia. You can spin it that he can't bring in any child in this world and have them suffer under Voldemort. He is sacrificing this child so future children may live.

As for the power boost; why have instant? I doubt the human body can take such a huge boost. By having it be slow, you have him adjust into his power, and avoid a cliche.

 

TIO: It's not disgusting or squicky, it's not like the Office or S&P and stories. The requirements are very disturbing, but I wouldn't say disgusting, and there would be angst but I think Harry would be too busy not letting the world to be destroyed to sit there and cut himself all day. Extremely desperate.

Rostam: Stfu foo ^_^

Mr. Merriman: Did you even read the fucking challenge?

 

You know you loved it G-nizzle.

 

The idea for this challenge....GREAT!!! 5 stars

Alright people, let’s think here, (Yes actually think) and for a moment try to have a train of thought. This here is what we call a "FanFiction Challenge" (Don't sound too shocked) and this site is what we call a "FanFiction Site". (Yes it is dedicated to the stuff! Hard core huh?)

The main view you seemed to have used to shoot this idea with is OOCness. And the fact that there is no way that 'Harry Potter' could perform such an act. (Although, I have read stories where Harry is a hell of a lot crueler then this, and gets plenty of positive views. Perhaps you have too?)

Now not to burst anyone’s bubble, but who is to say that there is not some force in this galaxy that could change Harry's views? Perhaps he is tortured for a month and a half, after being captured by Voldemort. Finds some miraculous way of escape, or maybe even Voldemort sets him free after feeling Harry is in no way shape or form a threat. (Not the best of examples but live with me.)

It would be all to easy for a writer to come up with a situation, or situations that would make it believable and capable of Harry going dark. Hell, that is what some of the authors we are following right now are trying to do.

As for the Angst view. Yes, there will undoubtedly be some, but let’s face it. There are not many good stories out there with Harry going dark that there isn't any angst. (Hell even most of the light stories have some piss ant story about Harry's oh so cruel childhood.)

But if the author is skilled enough, I really don't see this story having all that much of it. The chances of Harry going insane instead of wallowing in self pity seem to be much higher. (And we all know, INSANE IS GOOD!)

The points with this being sick and disturbing.......BOOO-FREAKEN-YA!

Incest? Omg don't even get started on that. Go rape some bloody Harry/Lilly writer for that.

The time for Harry to get desperate is the only problem that I have seen for this story, and that is easily changeable. Perhaps make it an OotP instead; perhaps use some other idea thought of by the author!

The ritual....Come on! What's wrong with Harry locking himself and his bitch of an aunt in a time chamber for 7-9 months? Screw just killing the fetus! Have him take a blunt knife, and cut the infant out himself! (No pain no gain as they say)

Then mercilessly slit the baby’s throat and drink the blood to absorb the magical powers of the child. (Perhaps magic resides in the blood, and this is the reason wizards’ pwn when they get angry/injured/bloody!) Make the ritual as bloody and gory as they come, I mean if it is suppose to be dark.....lets at least semi make it there. (If it is too graphical for some, edit it out and post the 'un-edited/edited parts'.)

Yes indeed, this fic would probably take a lot of planning, and a good deal of hard work. But let’s face it, don't most good fics require that anyway? Seriously is it really something new that has just hit the fanfiction kingdom? (I know I ain't much to talk on this fact as I am extremely lazy, but meh.)

-Void

P.S. Rostam, lmfao!!! Keep it up man; I think I am falling in love with your posts!

 

There isn't much time between the end of HBP and Harry's birthday to have him change so drastically... and anything that would make him change in such a short amount of time would strike me as artificial and unrealistic.

Now, lots of people love OOC!Harry and don't mind lack of realism. I personally won't read it. *shrug*

Heh. Like I said, the accumulation of raping his aunt, impregnating her, dragging her to his parents' grave and killing the child there strikes me as... well... a cheap way to make the ritual reallllly horrible. So cheap that I would get bored; as in, 'Okay, so he's tied her up to the tombstone and he's going to kill the baby. Perhaps he will disembowel her, too, you never know *yawn*'.

If there has to be a ritual in a story I'm reading, I'd like more subtlety in it. But then again, that's just me. You can disregard my posts completely if you take into account that some people like that sort of things and will read the story while I won't.

About the incest part: I don't read incest stories but that wasn't the point. It was the accumulation of potentially squicky actions one on top of the other that I was talking about.

 

I think it would be better as a Post OoTP fic, Harry finds out about it in the summer of his 5th year but casts it aside. Then during his 6th school year Voldemort terrorize the wizarding world, Then Dumbledore gets killed and instead of them just leaving, Hogwarts get raised killing most of the students and staff. (not all, would be pretty boring with no characters) Then seeing as how there is no one or nothing for the general populace to
<Darius> Rally around, Harry proceeds to do the ritual.


This is just some ideas I threw out on IRC, It's late and I'm not going to re-type it but I think that would make the story a whole lot more believable.

Yeah, Maybe even write and then skip 3 years down the road after the ritual has been done. Or just take away the doing it on his 17th birthday bit and skip a few years down the roadm to say when he's 19 and it's been 3 years of hell.