RWBY Mafia

dichotomousCreator · Jun 9, 2017

On the other hand, if the person is already V read then the wolves ALREADY wanted to shoot them. I don't see how confirming them changes that. If anything, it guarantees the person doesn't have any further town powers to use and so shooting them is essentially hitting a VT

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(EBWOP: I mean unless they can grant doublevoting to multiple players, but that sounds broken as hell so >_>)

Fable · Jun 9, 2017

dichotomousCreator said: ↑

On the other hand, if the person is already V read then the wolves ALREADY wanted to shoot them. I don't see how confirming them changes that. If anything, it guarantees the person doesn't have any further town powers to use and so shooting them is essentially hitting a VT

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(EBWOP: I mean unless they can grant doublevoting to multiple players, but that sounds broken as hell so >_>)
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I was actually thinking they might be able to do that but that probably is broken thinking about it.

Yeah they're actually essentially IC now so claiming is probably fine.

KaiDASH · Jun 9, 2017

Regfan said: ↑

I still dislike Kai's initial vote and reasoning on Cobalt in Post #195. I actually don't hate where he's at inside Post #749, the progression behind his reads notably the Q one there is one I can follow going through his ISO. Still dislike how he entered D2 attempting to mimmick WH8 identically. Eh, I come out of the ISO not hating him as much as I thought I would, don't think I'd advocate his shot anymore.

That said KaiDASH - Need you to elaborate on a few things for me, you had Miner as a fairly strong town read earlier in the game, would like you to discuss that read with me a little more in light of your comment saying you think he's the first place to look if Jarizok flips scum. I'd also like you talk with me a little more about your read on myself.
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What Miner is doing with Jarizok looks like Miner just never had the opportunity to pull back from his initial aggression in #303.

Saying you've got a scumread on Vaimes for *reasons* is a valid bamboozle tactic for scum because the default thing to do is to beat everyone else to the Vaimes townread when you know that he is town. So Jarizok casing him for poor reasons fits that, and then Miner had a very early opportunity to call Jarizok out for a poor case. Many players in the game would have done it, just Miner got there first.

Then he doesn't really do much with Jarizok for the rest of day, voting him as 'consolidation' in #828 and directly replying to him a few times. This is odd given the supposed confidence of the read and the fact that he claimed not to understand why Plotless was being lynched in #668.

I also went though Jarizok's d1 iso, but there's not much interesting there. I think his miner read / reasoning is very light and beyond 1 post he hardly tried to convince anyone or make it happen at all.

Miner's d2 wall post (#1146) is pretty lazy / bad for many players.

Lazy: blab, fable, waco, fonti, quiddity, Stanari

Bad: Kai, Jarizok.

I'll expand on the bad; his read on me is ultra surface level and essentially a 'he appears to be trying too hard', which is laughable as a reason. Then he presents my quote negatively and implies that there's much more than that, which I contest - The quoted bit is not inherently bad and regardless, I doubt he has many more cases of such.

Then all he wants to say for his top scum read is to quote DC a few times and say that Jarizok is doing a poor job of trying to get him lynched.

Absolutely none of this screams 'not aligned' to me, and much of it is the kind of footsies you'd expect from scumbuddies who are at odds in the thread.

Miner · Jun 9, 2017

Kai, buddy, I said that Jari was doing a poor job of trying to get me lynched way before DC ever said that.

Regfan · Jun 9, 2017

Fable - Can you let me know more why you're removing Stanari from the PoE rather than adding Fontisian (Since I don't really disagree with adding Fontisian, I think the Jan kill is a bad look for her and her lack of real scum reads throughout the game is a concern). I'm not a brave enough man to make a solid call on exactly which two of Q/Waco/Pie are scum here, just think I think it's highly like that two are and that's probably the best I've felt re; scum reads this game. Wouldn't mind you filling in the %'s I did since I'd love to hear where you are with it too confidence wise.

@Kai - Thanks for the elaboration, heads spinning a little so not going to read it deeply right now but on a skim I don't really agree but can at least see where you're coming from, fresh eyes in the morning will certainly help with it.

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My preference in terms of the shot if you're making it while I'm asleep is Waco > Q > Jarizok/Stanari > Everyone else? Something around that at least, really think it should be one of Waco/Q though.

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Also the more I think about it the more I'm happy to add Blab to my lock town pool so pretty certain [Acio, DC, Vaimes, Fable, Blab] contains 0 mafia which should mean firing into the pool remaining has a pretty high odds of hitting mafia.

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Rambly probably incoherent stuff

Like if I'm playing with the assumption there's 5 scum here and that my 5 lock town reads are correct and that I think there's maximum 1 scum inside of Jarizok/Pie/Cobalt that leaves me with 4-5 scum (Probably 4 since I'd say there's probably 1 in that grouping) inside;

Adult (Miner)
fontisian
KaiDASH
Quiddity
Stanari
The Waco Kid
Zenzao

So technically it should be like a 4/7 chance of hitting scum.

Fable · Jun 9, 2017

Fonti ISO

fontisian said: ↑

Regfan, I agree with the consensus ish town reads on Blab, Von and Cobalt, in that order and look forward to interacting with Stanari. That's it.

I'll be ruminating on Acio et al tonight and get back to you.
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I'm not actually sure fonti has interacted with stanari all that much. That's not wolfy but I'm noticing a pattern here where the people who are interacting with stanari are the people I'm pretty strongly village reading where as there are a lot of people who are keeping stanari as a question mark but I feel like arn't doing much to resolve it. No idea what that means for stanari's alignment though.

fontisian said: ↑

It is 6:40am. I have to meet friends in 2 hours, and work in 6. I don't think tonight will involve sleep. Accordingly, forgive me if this lacks coherency.

Blab /feels/ the most town. His reactions are fluid and timely. They make sense in order, but don't have the rigidity of a fake mindset being concocted. I'll find some example quotes for Reg soon.tm.

The post about the votes on me being bad is an exception. I can defend myself. What was the point?

I don't want to say Cobalt is too abrasive or trying to hard to be mafia, as he is capable, while in the right mood. The attitude where he expects to be townread is a little more convincing. I think it's important to determine whether his reads are opportunities of genuine wrt the townread on von, as if cobalt is mafia and von town, he would know von is likely going to get townread and would want to beat everyone there. Will need to look at his other reads again to assess, though I remember them feeling genuine.

Von has high activity and strength behind his responses. The Zenzao vote is concerning, as it seems like he may be sticking with it as a easy vote. I don't think that wording really gets the concept, mrg, but that's the base of it. As scum, I think Von tries to psych himself up in thread, which the first post may have been a part of. I'm lightly townreading him, but I do not feel comfortable locking it in.

Q is ... erratic in a way I think is town. I understand Reg not liking some of his content, but I actually find very on point content to be more scum indicative for Q. It seems like he is poking at the things at the things that interest him instead of the things that look good.

Acio has notes of hostility to him, but I vaguely remember him doing something similar as town and I can't fault him for reacting negatively to Cobalt. I might understand him better if u knew whether he was merely suspicious of Von or also trying to pick apart Reg's reads.

I've been asked about Jan. Everything he's done gas been easy. No read.
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Really wish there were time stamps on these quotes because fonti's posts with content are somewhat infrequent and it's hard to get that across. This post isn't bad except it's just expanding on consensus reads fonti said she already agreed with. Probably null.

fontisian said: ↑

(He's saying Cobalt is probably town, scum!kai.)

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Man, Von's vote on Zenzao is just so bad. I'm looking at it, and I don't really want to defend Zenzao, because he's done shit all, and my instincts say that scum!Von is with Zen anyway, but damn is the certainty and the refusal to change votes when he dislikes something a bit later unlike town!Von.
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I feel like the meta read on vaimes here is wrong. He got stubborn with his vote at times during our champs game.

fontisian said: ↑

This is pretty town though.

I should probably just wait a day and it'll be obvious.

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I iso'd Waco. He's so useless and fluffy, he's probably town.

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Stanari, you may want to get a bit serious quickly. The joking lines that just feel awkward aren't helping.

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I hope that when Jon destroyed us in a fit of demon mayorly rage some aspects of the subforum survive.
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I hate the waco read here especially if he does flip wolf. I feel like she's justifying him doing nothing.

fontisian said: ↑

Unvote
Vote Plotless
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This was out of nowhere....

fontisian said: ↑

Dearest dC,
I am voting for plotless because he seems like frozen scum who knows people are correct to suspect him. That's not a newbie reaction to a vote. Notice the phrase "tempted to claim" as it is inactive of him thinking more about what would be believable than solving the game. I would recommend checking out American Gods for a comparison.
Thanks,
fonti

Dear Plotless,
Step it up a notch.
Love,
fonti
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fontisian said: ↑

You might want to recognize Adult and Cobalt as town.
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Reasoning here is fine I guess? But I hate that she uses "tempted to claim" as part of it considereding I did the same thing in WH8 so she knows it's not necessarily AI.

fontisian said: ↑

I think I'm actually townreading Kai off of this. Like, it's absolutely false, but he can't think he's going to mislynch Cobalt, and he knows Cobalt likes to omgus, and I can see the thought process, so it's probably a real read?

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Definitely not aligned with Jari. She wouldn't try to deflect off a partner, then go back and try reexplain her read on her partner without being asked.

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This is one of the things I originally liked from Q. The self reflection seems genuine, whereas scum!Q seems to have all the answers.

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I think I trust Reg, but more in listening to his reads way than a ride or die manner. I think pie's advice on watching his activity and involvement as the game goes on will be useful, assuming we're both there, heh.

I'm concerned mostly with the size of my towncircle. I am strongly townreading Von, Cobalt, dC, Miner and Acio. I have lighter townreads on Zen, Pie, Blab, Q, Jan, Reg and Kai, in that order. That just leaves Fable (a strong townread for many, who I have no particular reason to suspect), Waco (who is always null), Stanari, Plotless and Jari. That's all very consensus, and, with such a small group, likely not the full team. Thus, while I want to get the mafia in the group of 5 immediately and use it to solve, I think it's very important to look closer into my townreads. That will be the focus of the rest of my reread.

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I don't think pie and Reg can be knowingly aligned either, with Reg's first post about waiting for pie and the way they bounced off of each other for much of the early game. That makes Reg clearing pie, imo, a sign that pie is town regardless of Reg's alignment.

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To clarify the Kai thing, those reads that seem off to me but have a thought process I can follow if I tilt my head happened a lot in the previous game and we're what led me to thinking he was town around Day 2 and 3 (and then maybe not town later, because they diverged from my reads so severely). I think we've drifted apart in how we make reads over time, which is why these things initially feel off to me, but there's still a sense to them.

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I'm moving Pie to the strong town block, for the reasons given above.

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I'm going to stop at post 200.
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I like this most for the most part except fonti's PoE seems not great. Ignoring me there's plotless (flipped V), waco who I coulda swore she was V reading but maybe that was actually a joke? I can't tell with fonti sometimes. Stanari is kind of a lame read to have here, and jari who I think she's actually V reading today? So if there is a wolf there it's waco which okay he just feels obvious at this point anyway so I can't really give that V cred.

fontisian said: ↑

And if plotless won't post, almost every town wants to kill him so by not contributing you stand out, and Jari is projecting some mild towniness? What then?
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I kind of like this post for some weird reason? Like yes it's pushing the easy lynch but it is also true that plotless was kinda deadweight who probably was never not getting lynched this game so he probably was better over jari. This obviously changes majorly if jari is a wolf in which case I will probably chainlynch fonti right after.

fontisian said: ↑

I think Plotless sticking with the vote on Stanari makes them more likely both scum. Do you disagree, reg?
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fontisian said: ↑

Didn't plotless watch Newcomb's game last year?
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This feels like too much though and is some really bad reaching. I also find it bad in a villagery way, it's what I was trying to ask before if fonti would do this kind of thing as a wolf because it does seems kinda weird trying to bury plotless this hard if she knew how he was gonna flip.

fontisian said: ↑

I think Jarizok is town.

I've been reading his Day 1 from WH8, the previous game where he was mafia. There was big D1 push on Miner, who was town, and Jari actually lightly defended him and called the reads funny, which I think was an expression of Too Much Information. He also had two very easy town reads on Von and Delphine. I think the only thing remotely similar to this game is the way he pursued Jan a bit for softing, but that push fizzled out quickly, whereas he actually put work into his Von and Miner pushes here. He also did a lot of busy work at the end of D1, likely emulating Vira, but hasn't really done that here.

I'd point to the case on Von, especially this bit:

I think if he were trying to break his meta and get townread for a bad tunnel, he wouldn't have been that explicit about it. I also think this is a very likely thing for him to feel as town.

Yeah.

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I also think Miner is town, without even getting into his wall.

The way he approaches isn't something I think he would do as scum. Like, there's the "get your shit together" sentiment which scum like to fake (though I'd argue that making it sound this genuine is hard) but there's also this kind of shitting on Plotless' play up to that point in an exasperated manner that I think indicates he wasn't trying to make any friends with the post. I think a good way to put it is that the post was abrasive /because/ he was irritated and paranoid and not really concerned about how other people would perceive it.
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I'm definitely chainlynching fonti if jari is a wolf at this point. Post is fine otherwise though but I'm kinda wondering where fonti's PoE is at right now.

I think there's potential for fonti/jari and fonti/waco w/w but beyond that I'm really torn on fonti and she's probably still null for me which feels bad after doing an ISO like this.

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Regfan

Yeah I think it's more I'm a little iffy on how people are acting around stanari rather than anything she's doing herself.

It's like there's a large amount of people who suspect here but very few are actually doing anything about it? Feels off.

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Feel like waco is 75% to flip wolf here?

If that happened I'd put it as 70/30 Q over pien.

Stanari · Jun 9, 2017

Give me a gun and there is a significant chance I shoot myself!

Also good morning. Not replying to walls from a phone but I am here and sort of coherent.

blab · Jun 9, 2017

Stanari said: ↑

Give me a gun and there is a significant chance I shoot myself!

Also good morning. Not replying to walls from a phone but I am here and sort of coherent.
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How do you feel about the gamestate overall?
Think we are on a good track? Bad track?

Vira · Jun 9, 2017

RWBY Mafia Votal 2.4.

Waco [3]: DC, DC, Pienyan.
Jari [3]: Cobalt, Miner, Kai.
Pienyan [2]: Reg, Quiddity.
Cobalt [1]: Vaimes.

Not Voting [8]: Acio, Blab, Fable, Font, Jari, Stanari, Waco, Zenzao.

With 17 votes alive, it will be 9 votes to soft lynch and 13 votes to hard lynch.

Stanari · Jun 9, 2017

blab said: ↑

How do you feel about the gamestate overall?
Think we are on a good track? Bad track?
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I think we are on a track where I never manage to put myself in a position where I can be an effective scumhunter. (Whoever called me self-centered is absolutely correct!)

This game is operating largely on a different plane of existence than I am, but I do think town is pretty well positioned. My instinct is sort of that scum is trying to bury town in walls, but that's very colored by annoyance.

Vaimes · Jun 9, 2017

Good afternoon.

Quiddity said: ↑

Vaimes, why do you think fonti is town?

I don't like the composition of this list:

Ignoring the fact that I townread almost half of it, it seems very content-based. The only one writing decent amounts there is Jarizok.

That makes it feel lazy, especially during a push on pie.
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I'm sorry, this looks like a soft accusation. Do you have something to say?

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Question: how are we going to handle Stanari.

Shoot her? Lynch her? Let her hang around and hope she plays before LyLo?

Stanari · Jun 9, 2017

Quiddity said: ↑

Just...what is this. What does this mean. I don't even remember when I last interacted with you, let alone drowning you in it, and I haven't posted all that much to qualify.
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In my head you are in the group of people that I can't read because lol how do you get leans off content anyway. Is that clearer?

Although looking at your iso now I seem to have unfairly splashed some of my Opinions on the rest of your pile onto you. Uh. Sorry.

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Vaimes said: ↑

Question: how are we going to handle Stanari.

Shoot her? Lynch her? Let her hang around and hope she plays before LyLo?
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I haven't been lynched or killed by town since...a long while...so that will kind of feel bad, plus the whole self-preservation thing, but a) I think I'd be happier dead and b) I do not feel optimistic about my chances at self-clearing here.

Vaimes · Jun 9, 2017

Stanari

Look.

I don't know what the problem is, but I'm pretty sure 95% of your posts are all excuses for not playing. You cannot be allowed to survive to endgame like this, because you will always always always be lynched, and I don't want mafia to win from lynching you if you're town.

I just don't understand. You're new to the site, but not at all new to mafia. Where exactly are you having trouble getting into the game?

I have a hard time seeing you act this way as either alignment, so please help me out here so I can understand you and stop worrying about whether or not you're just openly lurking mafia.

If you're town, play to your win condition and either help us see you're town or help us find mafia.

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There's really no nice way to say it, but the whole boo hoo me thing is bizarre, to say the least.

If you don't feel comfortable playing or something, that's a whole other issue you should talk to the kids about.

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Wow, the mods, not the kids.

Fable · Jun 9, 2017

Vaimes

Any chance you can shoot some time tonight? I think it would help with discussion and I don't wanna risk anything if we don't get the extention for whatever reason.

Vaimes · Jun 9, 2017

It'll have to wait at least three and a half more hours. I'm at work.

Fable · Jun 9, 2017

Lmao Vaimes!

Yeah stanari walk up to a random group of children and tell them your problems. xD

Acionyx · Jun 9, 2017

Okay thought a little on the situation and might as well: /I'm/ the votegiver. No one seems to especially be pushing against me being cleared as the gunsmith so I figured they were okay with the situation/hoping for me save them for a night but my own role makes the utility of staying quiet questionable I think? Like at worst this changes little but at best GS may have a skewed gameview that needs clarifying.

IMO if the gunsmith is font/quiddity/miner/blab/zenzao/stanari/cobalt then them claiming helps me with figuring out the game at least.

Fable · Jun 9, 2017

That's.....interesting.

Vaimes you haven't been FPSing have you?

Acionyx · Jun 9, 2017

Digging in votals at the moment there's more in this than I thought this game actually had.

Vaimes [3]: Waco, Jari, Acio.
Stanari [3]: Font, Quiddity, Blab.
Fontisian [3]: Adult, Fable, Cobalt.
Zenzao [1]: Vaimes.
Fable [1]: Stanari.
Acio [1]: Reg.

Not Voting [6]: DC, Jan, KaiDASH, Plotless, pienyan, Zenzao.

Fontisian [4]: Adult, Fable, Cobalt, Stanari.
Vaimes [3]: Waco, Jari, Acio.
Stanari [2]: Font, Blab.
Cobalt [2]: Pienyan, Kai.
Zenzao [1]: Vaimes.
Pienyan [1]: Quiddity.
Plotless [1]: Reg.

Not Voting [4]: DC, Jan, Plotless, Zenzao.

obalt, Stanari, Blab.
Vaimes [2]: Waco, Jari.
Cobalt [2]: Pienyan, Kai.
Stanari [2]: Font, Adult.
Plotless [2]: Reg, Quiddity.
Quiddity [2]: DC, Acio.
Fable [1]: Zenzao.

Not Voting [3]: Jan, Plotless, Vaimes.

Stanari [5]: Font, Adult, Vaimes, Plotless, Blab.
Fontisian [3]: Fable, Cobalt, Stanari.
Vaimes [2]: Waco, Jari.
Cobalt [2]: Pienyan, Kai.
Plotless [2]: Reg, Quiddity.
Fable [2]: Zenzao, DC.
Quiddity [1]: Acio.

Not Voting [1]: Jan.

Stanari [4]: Font, Adult, Vaimes, Plotless.
Fontisian [3]: Fable, Cobalt, Stanari.
Fable [3]: Zenzao, DC, Quiddity.
Cobalt [2]: Pienyan, Kai.
Quiddity [2]: Acio, Blab.
Vaimes [1]: Jari.
Plotless [1]: Reg.
Pienyan [1]: Waco.
Jari [1]: Jan.

Jari [4]: Jan, Cobalt, DC, Fable.
Stanari [3]: Font, Adult, Plotless.
Quiddity [3]: Acio, Blab, Vaimes.
Fable [2]: Zenzao, Quiddity.
Plotless [2]: Stanari, Reg.
Pienyan [1]: Waco.
Cobalt [1]: Kai.
Vaimes [1]: Jari.
Waco [1]: Pienyan.

Jari [5]: Jan, Cobalt, DC, Fable, Kai.
Plotless [5]: Stanari, Reg, Font, Acio, Waco.
Stanari [2]: Adult, Plotless.
Fable [2]: Zenzao, Quiddity.
Quiddity [2]: Blab, Vaimes.
Vaimes [1]: Jari.
Waco [1]: Pienyan.

Plotless [7]: Stanari, Reg, Font, Acio, Waco, Vaimes, Pienyan.
Jari [6]: Jan, Cobalt, DC, Fable, Kai, Blab.
Stanari [1]: Adult.
Fable [1]: Zenzao.
Waco [1]: Pienyan
Reg [1]: Jari.
Kai [1]: Quiddity.

Plotless [7]: Stanari, Reg, Font, Acio, Waco, Vaimes, Pienyan.
Jari [7]: Jan, Cobalt, DC, Fable, Kai, Blab, Miner.
Fable [1]: Zenzao.
Waco [1]: Pienyan
Reg [1]: Jari.
Kai [1]: Quiddity.

Plotless [7]: Stanari, Reg, Font, Acio, Waco, Vaimes, Pienyan.
Jari [7]: Jan, Cobalt, DC, Fable, Kai, Blab, Miner.
Stanfari [1]: Plotless.
Fable [1]: Zenzao.
Reg [1]: Jari.
Kai [1]: Quiddity.

Plotless [11]: Stanari, Reg, Font, Acio, Waco, Vaimes, Pienyan, Jan, Quiddity, Blab, Jari.
Jari [6]: Cobalt, DC, Fable, Kai, Miner, Zenzao.
Stanari [1]: Plotless.

RWBY Mafia Votal 1.15.

Plotless [12]: Stanari, Reg, Font, Acio, Waco, Vaimes, Pienyan, Jan, Quiddity, Blab, Jari, DC.
Jari [5]: Cobalt, Fable, Kai, Miner, Zenzao.
Stanari [1]: Plotless.

RWBY Mafia Votal 1.16.

Plotless [12]: Stanari, Reg, Font, Acio, Waco, Vaimes, Pienyan, Jan, Quiddity, Blab, Jari, DC.
Jari [5]: Cobalt, Fable, Kai, Miner, Zenzao.
Stanari [1]: Plotless.

Notable:

Fontisian [4]: Adult, Fable, Cobalt, Stanari.
Vaimes [3]: Waco, Jari, Acio.
Stanari [2]: Font, Blab.
Cobalt [2]: Pienyan, Kai.
Zenzao [1]: Vaimes.
Pienyan [1]: Quiddity.
Plotless [1]: Reg.

Not Voting [4]: DC, Jan, Plotless, Zenzao.

Fontisian [4]: Fable, Cobalt, Stanari, Blab.
Vaimes [2]: Waco, Jari.
Cobalt [2]: Pienyan, Kai.
Stanari [2]: Font, Adult.
Plotless [2]: Reg, Quiddity.
Quiddity [2]: dichotomousCreator, Acio.
Fable [1]: Zenzao.

Not Voting [3]: Jan, Plotless, Vaimes.

Stanari [5]: Font, Adult, Vaimes, Plotless, Blab.
Fontisian [3]: Fable, Cobalt, Stanari.
Vaimes [2]: Waco, Jari.
Cobalt [2]: Pienyan, Kai.
Plotless [2]: Reg, Quiddity.
Fable [2]: Zenzao, DC.
Quiddity [1]: Acio.

Not Voting [1]: Jan.

At this point all scum are in play which is an indicator towards stanari town I think.

Probably the big thing I've gotten from overall votals so far is that if I had the gun at the moment I'd strongly consider shooting in blab/quiddity/font. Jari's not necessarily a shit shot to take but Quiddity/blab look gross regardless of jarilignment and I'm not sure it's indicative of font either way.

fontisian · Jun 9, 2017

Um. Acio. I'm town, I think Miner and Von are strongly town, Plotless was town, and Blab is townish. If all of that is accurate, what does that say about the Stanari wagon (genuine question, I'm not asking for the "she's scum with a ton of town voting on her response)?

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I'd like Kai to address my reasons for townreading Miner and Jari.

I'd like Reg to look at Jari's refusal to vote Plotless and Jari's refusal to vote Miner last game and tell me if he thinks they're similar.

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