Guys there was a wasp in my apartment and I chased it out!

 

niceuh.

Anyhoo, my initial scumread on you developed as I was following the game before subbing in. It was mostly just tone at first, a bunch of your posts just kinda... off from what I expect from townies. Then you started getting all dem townreads and I was just like, why though? Wolfbros putting you up there on lists, riding the wave of townies reading you v seemed decently likely. We haven't really interacted much since but I've not really read anything from you to make me change my mind so there we are.

 

Not many ppl are around so I'm thinking Ima hop in bed early and set an alarm for EoD. Timer says 7 hours 45 minutes from now right?

 

That's 6 am for me so just about doable.

 

Seems half-cocked - read is there, reasons too sort of, but no attempt to solve or press. You don't currently seem interested in why I townread those slots, and now was the perfect time to ask me to explain them so I could tell you I don't feel like it.

Which of the people townreading me do you think I'm wolves with or what? Again: Idea is ~decent, but ungrounded.
For that matter, do you really think it's likely I'd let me scummates openly townread me in the game? Lol, I tend to do my own thing, though admittedly you might not be expected to remember that.

Ya wolfin' bro?

 

Aint nobody got time to solve you right now, wagons are on the tracks and you're not in the race today.

Which slots? And letting your teammates 'openly' townread you is a good thing if you can achieve it. It has risks but I take those.

Always a little bit, but not really.

 

Have read up and caught up, fair few of my reads have changed/moved around.
I'll put words down next to most of my reads and thoughts after I've had some food & shower.

@Rubicon - I'll get to explaining why I think Fonti/Amy are unaligned then too.

If anyone wants/needs anything specific from me in the meantime ping me and let me know.

Gemma, Vaimes, Rubicon, Sloth
Fontisian
Amy, Tom, Jarizok, Waco
Dels
Cobalt
Cuth

 

I added more numbers, for you convenience.

2. I don't think it is, but whatever, it's not really a point worth arguing about.
3. Eh? I don't think Para talking about to Gemma instead of Vaimes really matters, alignment wise.
4. I'm up for working together. With the night kill thing, it's more a matter of I think it's bad for whatever reasons it was done, and not what expected from literally anyone here, so trying to figure out who did and why isn't going to be productive to me. (Also, I personally don't normally try to dodge doc saves, I just shoot who I want to shoot and count on docs to wifom themselves into oblivion.)
5. Yeah, I think the worst thing from Cobalt is what Jari pointed out, about he took Gemma's read as a reason to not vote me, while never actually townreading Gemma. I actually thought he was townreading Gemma at the time, because the way he talked about her strongly implied it, and it made sense as something he would do to respect her reads if he was. But since he wasn't, and Cobalt tends to be pretty willful about his scumreads as town, and not let people talk him out of them, it instead feels like he backed off because he didn't want to have to butt heads with Gemma and me.
6. Yeah, it's hard to separate how much of Ter's play was irl issues and how much of it was her just not caring about followup.
7. Yeah, sorry, I was in a really bad headspace last night and doubting basically everything. I think the stress was actively interfering with my ability to process and remember things from earlier in the Day. Brains are weird, etc.

 

Just some quick ones;

Gemma/Vaimes/Rubicon/Sloth are reads I've gone into before and reads that are (almost) universally agreed on, so not going to waste time going into anyone there in more depth unless one of my stronger town reads needs/wants more reassurance on one of the other ones.

I didn't like Jarizoks replace in and subsequent posting in his first 24 hours, the Sloth scum read sort of throwaway thing without really explaining it, or trying to do anything about it, and the sheer amount of town reads he had on the game (specifically on Fonti and myself who he normally traditionally scum reads as town) felt like he'd replaced into a scum slot and was unsure what to do. But since being voted I've mostly liked his posts. The areas that he's mostly looking to focus on, is where I think you'll find a decent chunk of the scum team too, which is nice. Biggest thing that's sort of moved him up though is his Cobalt scum read, going through his posts it feels like something he genuinely believes, and has for a while. I think a decent amount of the reasoning he's put forward in his case on Cobalt actually makes a lot of sense, and does indeed point towards Scum!Cobalt here. I prooobably should have him moved up a tier actually.

 

@fontisian - You going to be around in like half an hour? I want to talk with you about Dels if you are and would probably prefer to real time the discussion. I've had some serious growing concerns with that slot and would like to discuss them with you. If you have time to reread the before we discuss would probably be best.

 

I'm really sorry, I can't. I meeting up with Von in a few minutes to get the affidavit, and we're planning on hanging out for a bit, so I'm not going to be looking at the game at all.

 

Blargh. Okay. Have a good time. Am sorry for lashing out at you yesterday btw, was just in a bad headspace.

 

You're good.

 

Seems unlikely that I'll get enough people to realise that Cuths scum today at this stage to be able to push through a lynch there, and Cobalt is a Good Lynch so I'm just going to drop my reasoning/explanation on Cuth!Scum without even mentioning gamestate or night kill stuff and maybe people will realise he's just scum and can deal with him later.

I think the big post about his Wisp vote and scum read on D2 in Post #1093 just comes across as if he's on the defensive about misyeeting someone and needs to justify and explain his reasoning and stance on that slot. I think it's an easy thing to talk about as scum, and think with him knowing that that read is why some people town read him bringing that reasoning back into the fray feels sort of manipulative. Generally don't misyeet someone as town, and then focus on explaining why you thought they were mafia and your headspace on them the next day when you'd done so when you voted them. It's a weird sort of mindsett-y thing to do as town but makes plenty of sense as scum.

His brief thoughts before leaving early D2 in Post #1117 is one I've touched on before but the Cobalt stance there doesn't mesh or flow with his reads and gamestate view, is one he's later realised when I pointed it out and retracted but in Cobalt!Scum world that looks...really really bad. The post just doesn't really contain many thoughts on 'who's mafia here', it's maybe a weak meta scum read on Waco, null reads on Amy/Jarizok/Tom (but sort of has him as weak town). They're all sort of easy players to focus on as mafia, and there's just not enough concern or anything from him about how he's viewing the game there.

I think Post #1374 where he sort of overfocuses on the first 300 posts is sort of ??? as both alignments, but think it makes a touch more sense as scum where he thinks he's in a good position in the thread overall, and just needs to buy enough time / have people stay off him that he'd not have a real chance of being the lynch. But it's a weird way for someone that's got and had very limited time in the thread, who should at least think that there's an issue with their reads (lack of scum reads) to spend time if they're town.

Confidence level of his read on me in Post #1535 at 3:28 to then chiming in on the Fonti/Me thing in Post #1557 where hes' not decided to look back and work out where this has all come from, what's happened prior but is taking it solely on the individual interaction alone to then posting a Tin!Foil Reg!W thing in Post #1568 at 4:32 just doesn't flow as town. Like he's entered the thread, had a confident town read on me, is spending time reading through things and trying to catch up apparently, but in that time sees one interaction between Fonti/Myself and then decides to post a tinfoil case on me, instead of going back, rereading game. Trying to see if I'm titled and if so how to untilt me before doing something like this. And the follow up from him in Post #1588 Like it's just a Thing that doesn't come from town, he's still got me as a town read there, so he's not done much D2, realises that's the case as town, doesn't have a single real scum read, has his vote on no one and then decides to post a tinfoil scum read on someone he's got as town. It's a "TMI, two townies slapping, one of them is the person pushing me, this is the perfect chance to pop in and de-credit them" type scum motivation thing.

 

Like who's he got as scum? Where's he voting? Who's he trying to solve? These are just things that don't really exist in his play.

 

Spoiler: Jari

What do you means "goes from"? All three of those terms fit together and are essentially synonyms/reasons in a world where Cobalt's starting to townread Rubi. It's not like he went from "seems villagery" to "conf!town" - that's an actual disparity.

What are your describing as "bandwagoning"? In 619, he started expressing his thoughts on Wisp's behavior, keeps working things out untik 630, where he votes tom (and announces his intention to vote Wisp if needed but as scum wouldn't he just vote Wisp now and save himself the trouble?)
He doesn't vote Wisp until much later.
I'm starting to think I just misunderstood what the meaning of bandwagon is for this point, honestly.

Sure. Is that scummy though? Why?
Couple of people (Vaimes, Fonti) have used that same point as an actual a towntell for Cobalt.

How does "erratic, trolly and he's bugging out under pressure" read significantly different than "he overwhelmed the game by spamming nonsense for 4 pages makes it hard for town to win"?

lol the fuck?

I don't know if I would call this a rebuttal, but I do think there's a vast difference between Reg asking specific questions ("Walk me through your thought process and read on Fonti" "thoughts on x" etc.) and you asking "why should I townread you?" (I have my own thoughts on that question)
I might be a bit biased on this because I 100% agree that it doesn't fall on the player being read to answer that question for the player doing the reading, in general. Questions worded the exact same way you worded them had the underlying push that you are undeniably town in everyone's eyes and it's on them to prove themselves to you.
Which, no.

Objectively, you had a horrible start, and it's not like that's changed.

Out of context. He said in #1222, one of the posts you quoted here, that "I need to re-read EoD to figure out if I was just OMGUSing her, because just off the top of my head posting from mobile right now I’m not sure if that’s what I was doing" and "She almost was goading me - with that one post where she said I as town would be calling her the scummiest scum to ever scum."
So in #1229, where he brings this up, it stands to reason that this is him reading the EOD again as he mentioned he would, finding the post he was referring to, and showing it to us.
Note he mentions he's on mobile too, which makes looking for quotes harder.

In going back and finding the quote and talking about his impressions of it, he's actually doing legwork to show his work. It's rand<town imo.
Isn't a definite towntell, but the way you're painting as definitely scummy is incorrect, and, given that you've supposedly read this more than I have, makes you look bad.

Define softball, on both sides, before I answer the question you didn't ask me.

Fair point.
@Cobalt address this: Why was it gone because of Gemma? Why Gemma specifically?

Good point #2.

Anything that I didn't directly address here, my response ranges from "subjective" to "k".
Couple of good points, everything else I kind of want to kill with fire.

@Regfan what exactly convinced you here?

@Cobalt Talk about your Dels and Cuth reads in detail. Also Gemma.

 

Would definitely prefer yeeting Jarizok today.

 

Ugh, I typed up a response to this but it logged me out and it's gone somehow. I'll try again.

Not going to directly link/quote things Jarizok has said there, but more going to talk about my read on Cobalt, and some things that I think Jarizoks picked up on that I agree with. I think Cobalts read on Fontisian since early D2 here as been a bit weird, I think the point about there being a disconnect between how he's treating the Gemma/Fontisian thing and how he is actually treating it is a good one. I found the timing/way/reasoning behind him voting Fontisian recently to have a lot of scum motivation behind it.

I've also found that he's mostly just not doing things / not around until his names been brought up and he feels the need to come in and do just enough to get that to stop happening. I think some of his posts read in a "caught for the wrong reasons" type way, and think there's not a huge amount of gamesolv-y attempting stuff from his play. I also think that the point Jarizok made about Cobalt having a different treatment to me than to himself is a good one. I do think some of Cobalts stuff here has read in an appeasement-y way and actually reminds me a bit of a previous game we've played together where he was mafia, I was misreading him D1/D2? and he sort of just linked himself to me and used me as a bit of a shield.

 

Talk with me? I've put down some reasoning thoughts on both Jarizok Post #1689 and Cobalt directly above and I'm leaning quite strongly Cobalt over Jarizok, so what have I got wrong here?

 

Starting work now, and likely to be busy for a bit.

But I need to get some words down about Dels, and not sure I'll have time to do a bigger post so if I don't here's what it roughly is; there's just been a lot in his posts today that sort of feel...wrong? I think the Fontisian/Amy interaction thing can also be coming across in a TMI'ing Amy sort of way. I also think there's just a real lack of reads/analysis on a lot of the content in the thread, it's sort of focusing on very specific things and people at times that do feel like it could have a fair bit of scum motivation behind it. I kind of get this "Scum just prepping for the long haul / deepwolf" type role from a lot of it too. The pop in post last night not really commenting or mentioning much of what Fontisians recent stuff means to them, and if it changes their read at all feels like something that would definitely be there if they're town and it's not. I don't really buy their paranoia/uncertainty on me at all and just feels more like an easy thing to talk about as scum too.