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WIP A Practical Guide to Evil by Erraticerrata - T - Original Fantasy

Discussion in 'Original Fiction' started by DvorakQ, Apr 14, 2016.

  1. Ryuugi Shi

    Ryuugi Shi Jazz Hands!!!

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    Callow's army is back up to forty thousand soldiers. Well, uh, I say 'back' up to forty thousand, but unless I'm really remembering something, it never had that many, and last I'd heard it was on the verge of collapse from being reduced below ten thousand. I know that Cat's been gone for way too long--she herself used the word months--but holy shit, are the Callowan robot factories working overtime or something? How did they go from utterly wrecked to what seems to be an army three times larger than they had before in at most half a year? Is there anyone left to work in the fields anymore, because last I heard mass-starvation was imminent.

    Anyway, logistical confusion aside, as mentioned last chapter, Nauk is holed up with a quarter of that army and about to be wiped out because splitting one's army into much smaller pieces while a minimum of three hostile forces were on the move might not have been the best idea. Due to the specific situation--gates unreliable and/or likely to give away her position*, travel times lining up so that they'd have to arrive mid-day if they wanted to at all--things have conspired so that the drow will arrive to fight the army attacking Nauk's group during the day. I'm more or less fine with that specific array of coincidences, in the vein of making one's weaknesses matter.

    What I do have to wonder, however, is why Cat's aware of all those things and still going through with the attack? Like, tactically and strategically, it really doesn't seem like there's any reason to do this; if she's being driven solely by her friendship with Nauk or her loyalty to her soldiers, then biting the bullet to gate over to them is one thing, but she's apparently risking six thousand drow in a situation she knows heavily disadvantages them to save ten thousand normal soldiers, as if normal soldiers matter? By nightfall, Cat can wipe out any army she pleases, by all accounts, so it would seem to be in her best interests to wait until nightfall whenever possible and the minor advantage to be gained by having Nauk around doesn't really change that.

    Again, Cat mentions that she doesn't want to give away her position to the Saint or the Pilgrim--which makes no sense to me, since Cat's experiences with both of them amounts to making fools of them repeatedly--but really, she has three choices here. Draw that attention at night when she would have the equivalent of several dozen to several hundred powerful Named and two goddesses behind her, fight a force of twenty to forty thousand trained soldiers with the equivalent of six thousand unwashed savages, or write the whole thing off. In no real way does the second of those options make sense here. Again, if she wants to save Nauk and her soldiers, that's fine and makes perfect sense, but the way she's going about doing it seems to make the absolute minimum amount of sense here?

    Or are we still pretending the drow aren't an army of demigods here?

    *Though why Cat treats this like it would matter now after making an utter mockery of the Saint and Pilgrim twice before, I have no idea. Once again, the story wants me to just accept the dire threat that the heroes pose, but it remains hard to do so because every time they do so, they're getting the shit beaten out of them. Also, on the gate thing--just a few chapters ago, Cat used her gates on a bunch of scouts without issue, so the reluctance now seems a bit forced.
     
  2. Xarlor

    Xarlor Second Year

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    Another question I have would loses even matter to the drow? Let's say out of the 6000 Drow 5500 die. If the surviving harvest all the night of the fallen is their fighting power increased or dimished? As far as I remember the night carried all the fighting experience with it, so would it even matter if she lost mighty, since she should be able to replace them as long as there are some drow around.

    Or did consuming winter change that? Also was it mentioned somewhere what happened zo zombie the third?
     
  3. Mutton

    Mutton Unspeakable

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    Couldn't they just take a few human casualties during the day and then use their super mega drown murder machines to wipe out all life that opposed them in a single night.

    I THINK THERE MIGHT BE TENSION ISSUES, JUST SAYING
     
  4. Glimmervoid

    Glimmervoid Groundskeeper

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    Remember, Cat told Diabolist to gather all the Mighty and have them make her a Well. That would presumably take them out of the fight - leaving the still powerful, but less OP, sub-Mighty to fight.
     
  5. Ferdiad

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    I presume EE will use some handwavium to change that rule, like maybe if they die during the day the Night hey have gets burned off or something like that. Otherwise as you said casualties don't matter.
     
  6. Ryuugi Shi

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    Pretty fun interlude all things considered, and I think it was good at setting the stage--despite this being a brand new location, I didn't have any problems following along or visualizing what was happening. I think the setup and conflict here is cool, too.

    The problem is, I still don't understand why we're doing this. Like, I said it before, but several drow Mighty--powerless during the day--die in this chapter alone, and I'm 100% certain that every single one of those Mighty is worth more than the entire Third Army at night. I like Abigail, I'm glad to see her, and I'm willing to swallow the silly excuse that says Cat can't use her portals now even though she used them to make mockery of the Pilgrim and Saint previously just because portal shenanigans were kneecapping most of the conflict in this story--but from just a logical, strategic standpoint, if Cat's not willing to risk portals here and the losses associated with it, why is she risking the losses associated with this plan? Even her current plan is just 'Wait until nighttime and have the drow clean shop.' As such, there's a much easier way of doing that then risking the drow...just wait until tonight and save everyone who's still alive. Either that or, again, risk her portals.

    Portals would be the emotionally logical decision. Waiting would be the strategically logical decision. Going now and risking her drow is just the dumb decision, near as I can tell.
     
  7. Stealthy

    Stealthy Seventh Year

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    I think the story wants dzulu to be on the same level as the Watch and the true Mighty to be lower tier heroes, with a few like Rumena being stronger, which is considerably more reasonable. Still powerful, but not moronic singlehanded army-wrecking powerful, or at least that's what Cat is acting like. Of course, portrayal hasn't been consistent with that, which breaks things. I'd be inclined to forgive Urulan as a one-off mistake, but there was still a lot of bullshit thrown about in Strycht. This story has a major problem with "Humans are the Worst Fantasy Race". It's a good thing the Elves, Giants, Dwarves, and formerly Drow are isolationist, as otherwise they'd overrun the continent.

    Strategically, she should still be preserving the lives of her heaviest hitters, but emotionally Cat values drow less than humans, orcs, and goblins, and will act accordingly. Holding out and waiting isn't an option as far as what we're told, as Abigail doubts they can do that and, again, Cat values the lives of her soldiers too much to let that happen. Portal bullshit or something is still an effective option, but "I don't want to because if Saint cuts off one of my limbs again it won't grow back and I'm not ready for her yet" is an excuse I'll take.

    That said...
    When did this happen? First time she fought Saint, Laurence beat the shit out of her even with Cat drawing deep into Winter. She even shrugged off Cat's domain. Second time Cat straight up ran. Sure, Cat was fighting like an idiot and got in a swordfight with the Saint of Swords, but that doesn't make the Saint ineffective. Hell, the one time Cat did use portals against those two is when she dropped the lake, and that backfired on her because of Pilgrim. Cat made a mockery of the other ten heroes in that battle as they were dwarfed by her power level, but Saint and Pilgrim were damn effective when fighting Cat and Masego.

    Sure, there's the Kaleidoscope battle, but what made that unconvincing is how the story didn't do enough to neutralize the ten other super soldiers. Archer pinned down Saint, Pilgrim was effective at what he did, and there was no Cat or portals involved. Those two weren't the problem.
     
  8. Ryuugi Shi

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    It does very much feel like we're trying to course-correct after the whole drow arc, but so far it's unconvincing, yeah, because it wasn't just one or two drow that manhandled the Winter Queen, and Cat herself repeatedly noted their ridiculous power in the drow arc.


    Actually, Cat used portals to escape in her first fight with the Saint of Sword and used it to completely escape all ten heroes in Kalediscope...I want to say twice, but once for sure. When I said 'Make a mockery,' I was talking about how in Contingent, after Cat woke up in the middle of a battle completely surrounded by heroes, she casually escaped, and yet for some reason, the Pilgrim said:

    Which, uh, since when, according to who, based on what? Because all throughout the Battle of the Camps, the heroes proved completely and utterly unable to effectively pursue Cat if she felt like leaving. She in fact escaped being surrounded by heroes not once, not twice, but thrice, so the excuse that she's afraid they'll pin her down now kind of falters beneath the weight of their complete and utter inability to pin her down on any occasion. Again, Cat woke up from a coma in the middle of a bunch of heroes and got away.

    Also, saying that the Pilgrim was effective is exaggerating. While he did indeed take Cat out--completely off-screen--rather notably, he literally couldn't hit Cat a single time in either of their on-screen fights, even when he had his literally ideal story going the first time. Seriously, go check--he doesn't land a single hit either time.

    Meanwhile, the idea of Archer even momentarily inconveniencing either the Saint or the Pilgrim remains laughable.