@Kalas: Thank you.

@Aek: Alright-

Scum Reads:

1-Aekiel: As mentioned previously, has had a number of posts talking about mechanics rather than seeking to contribute to discussion. Also misrepresented the previous game. Posted reads feel slightly off-somewhat contradictory in places. Generally, doesn't feel like town!Aek to me.

2-

Town Reads:
1/2-

3-Bill Door: Has been consistent in his pressuring of me. Admittedly hasn't been terribly active but what I've seen I've liked.

 

Caesar: Who's scum read number 2?

 

Bah. Never gave my second scum read:

2-Luckylee: Has posted absolutely nothing of note, save for #99, which is just wrong.

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Ninjaed by font. Twice.

 

Caesar: Break down #99 for me please. What are you finding 'just wrong'?

 

1-Pretty much everyone "backpedaled" from blab after his role claim. It seems strange to single Aek out. (Particularly when there other things to call Aek out on.)

2-Proph is one of the towniest players in thread at the moment. (Fake edit after rereading thread:after blab's roleclaim Lucky called Aek and Proph out for their pressuring of blab, ignoring the fact that font and (to a lesser extent) I did the same.) There's nothing especially noteworthy in Aek listing him as a town read.

3-(the bolded section) This is what really made me stop. I don't think it's arguable that Proph has contributed more to what discussion we've had than Lucky. (Although I'd really like to see your case against Kalas, Proph). Also, laziness is not an excuse. If you've a point to make, support it.

 

Proph is the one who started the wagon on Blab which is why I'm pretty suspicious. Him being Aekiel's strongest town read is also weird to me. Fonti seems towny and also questioned me on why I believed Blabs claim so her backpedaling is faaaaar more acceptable to me. But Aek has seemed weird all game, and Proph has yet to say why he wants to Lynch Blab, and then he wants to Lynch Kalas since it's "the best wagon" without giving anything until later.

 

1-There was no wagon on blab. There were a few players using their lynch votes to pressure him because blab's behaviour was odd at the time.

2-Why?

3-Fair enough.

 

As in Mini Mafia.

Most of your posts to him and others have revolved around Blab. Sees posts #18, 24, 43, 60 and 70 for references.

Decent as in actually has content. Looking at her posts though I appear to have missed her post about Luckylee, which doesn't change my read any.

Caesar simply took Sesc's opinion as his own when he decided to vote for me. There didn't seem to be any analysis in his posts, which makes sense if he's scum because he doesn't need to analyse to get a read on people. He knows they're town/scum already.

Kalas hasn't posted much of anything, content-wise. He's just made filler after filler post with some mechanics talk and discussion about the last game. He'd done pretty much nothing of worth until my post.

My reads are my reads. If you disagree with them, tough.

 

1:Which I found out later, I thought Blab was about at the halfway point of a Lynch because iirc 7 = lynch and he had 3 votes. I wasn't aware that one of them had been from RVS. so fail on my part

2-Why what?

 

Why is it strange that Proph is Aek's strongest town read?

 

Seriously? He roleclaimed and I believe him since it doesn't make sense for scum to claim like this.

Proph is playing in a very town way, so I don't get where your criticism is coming from on that.

You've jumped from Blab to me (post 83) with no more reason than 'he's the next biggest wagon'.

I used mechanics talk as a way to start discussion. I'd have posted more beyond that if my weekend hadn't been as busy as it was, which makes my posts seem more mechanics-oriented than they otherwise would.

Ha.

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Oops, forgot my vote.

Unvote
Vote Player: Luckylee

You're looking worse and worse from this.

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Caesar: Build a hypothetical around Luckylee.

 

Just to clarify, a hypothetical scum team?

 

Oops, yes.

 

Right. Give me a few minutes.

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It's surprisingly difficult to construct a scum team when there's been so little posting (horrible flashbacks to BSM) and without any post-Night info. Anyway:

1-Luckylee: (Compulsory element)

2-Aekiel: Has seemed scummy. Later interactions with Lucky could well be distancing. Doesn't mind bussing scum mates.

The potential third member is difficult to determine. I'm leaning towards Sesc or Fishy, with Lochness as an outside chance.

I'm aware this isn't particularly brilliant but it's late, I'm tired, information is limited and I'm not great at this sort of thing anyway.

 

There's bussing and then there's starting the damn bandwagon.

I'll respond to this later. For now I want Fishy Justice, Bill Door and Kalas to give me their top 2 town/scum reads.

 

Feel free to ignore me Caesar. Caesar, Aekiel is pretty much the only person whose accused me since Fonti has let up on her pressure so lolwut. My hypothetical scum team consist of Lochness who accused me, and Sesc. I can't comprehend your reasoning on that one. Aekiel you say I have no other reason other than it's the only bandwagon, but in the very same post explain away the reason I gave, so yeah. Also people who aren't posting, lurking is pretty scummy.

My comment about you/proph was light pressure, but I don't think scum would try to get others to be active so I'll let up for now. I still want Proph to explain about his initial vote on Blab and then later on his Vote on Kalas.

 

Lochness: I want to hear more from you. Could you give me some reads?

Nice of you to ignore my second question.

If you really think five of 18 posts that talk about blab (when he happens to be the main topic of discussion anyway) constitutes tunneling, you and I have very different definitions of the word.

Of course it doesn't. You ignored the second question again. Was Lochness' post "content" or was it "scum coaching"?

I actually like this bit.

I get that you're trying to get away from meta, but can you honestly tell me that behavior doesn't match up with Kalas' normal early play style? You're arguments should have Kalas more as null with a scum leaning, especially considering the fluff other people are posting. Frankly, all of your scum reads are centered on passiveness instead of actual scum motivation, which is suspicious as hell.

How did Kalas' post 98 effect your read of him?

It's not that I disagree with them. It's that I think you made them up in order to look more towny.

 

@Rents: Do something. Analyse Sesc, please. Play the game.



@Prophylaxis: I just read the beginning of Randomness mini mafia. I don't know, I'm just not getting the vibe you're apparently getting.

I did. Just tried to misdirect on the Macho part.

I felt the same way about Ceasar's early posts, I didn't like how said stuff others already said. But I don't like Aekiel's wording here, plus he is essentially parroting what others said here, himself.

Déjà vu

Relational tells day 1, huh?
So, tell me what you thought in both of these situations.

What? I am accusing you now. Elaborate on your scum-reads. How does Lochness accusing you make her scum? Why doesn't it make fontisian scum, who pressured you (your words)? Why Sesc? Elaborate on him, please.
Also, you Aekiel explains away the reasoning? you mean this:

That is not particularly sound, if that is your reasoning.
Especially since there were 3 players with 2 votes when when you posted this:

Can you pick your "targets" on the basis how scummy they seem, instead?

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To elaborate on this:

This is Aekiels original read:

Apart from a) 1 vote not really being a bandwagon ( though to be fair, Kalas said something about "you'll see what Sesc sees", which can be interpreted as agreeing) and b) him mistaking Sesc for probably Bill Door this is ok. I called Caesar out on mostly repeating already said stuff earlier, too.

Then fontisian asks him to clarify his last sentence and he says:

He accuses Ceasar of taking Sesc's opinion as his own while doing the same thing with Bill Door's. Whatever, that's not what I didn't like:
Why does there only seem to be no analysis in Caesar's post?
Qualifing his statements himself, huh? Also I don't like his generalizations, (the same thing I didn't like when he posted that uninformed majority (or informed minority?) stuff. Scum knowing who is scum/town and not needing to analyze is always correct. It just feels like padding, here.

/too much words about a small thing

 

Could you..elaborate on that? I'm not sure if that is your scum team or what you think Aekiel is saying. If it's yours could you give reasons?

I still don't feel like you've adequately explained this, either.

Unvote. Lynch Vote: LuckyLee

I'm getting the feeling you're throwing suspicions around for the sake of it.

@Aekiel: Your Top 2 town reads: Font and Blab. They're driving discussion, to an extent. Proph is a close third.

As for scum reads, it's late and I don't want to half ass it. Lucky is clearly one, you may be another. I asked you a question you either missed or ignored. I would still like an answer if you can manage. You mentioned Blab being 'off' early in the game, before Proph explained. Did you have reasoning there?

 

Sorry for neglecting this game, I've had a major work overload.

I'm uncomfortable with being called town by so many this early, as I don't believe I've done many townie things just yet.

Readwall + explanation for my actions coming soon.