Reasons I think you are scum, Titus:

1. Falsified read-wall

A number of issues with these reads. They seem much more focused on seeming like you're trying to solve the game than actually your thought processes. Case in point some of the players are mixed and/or inaccurate. It almost makes me wonder if you just threw together some surface level gut thoughts, as it basically comes out to a lot of useless fence-sitting. My issue here is I feel like you as town wouldn't waste time doing this for each player, while you as scum have a strong incentive to seem like you're doing a lot, especially as you're under a lot of pressure for your slot.

Also, this is many many pages after you replaced in (and I know, because it took me 10 minutes to find this post starting around page 50, and you replaced in before that).

2. Meta - General Passiveness/?Conciliatory Style?

Something I noticed while playing with you in the witch hunt game was you seemed a little...more like-able? Like I could see a little more effort by you to be like-able. Verses in your town games like CYS you tend to get a lot more aggressive and care less what others think of you (also true in Dresden). Meanwhile in this game, until literally a few pages back, I haven't seen much aggression from you beyond tit-for-tat'ing with Mathblade. Hell, the aggression you showed D1 in CYS is partly why I was pretty sure you were town when arguing with Fontisian (though at that point I was pretty fucked etc etc). Kinda hard to grab this one from random posts, but it's more clear in you not being aggressive until recent pages.

3. Role shenanigans

This was well before Quank flipped. You're pushing the idea that Quanksor is Batman well in the open. In hindsight, there's no way you could have told whether he was Batman or not AND you stated retrospectively that you thought he was Batman when you just recently said "absent batman is useless". So you were trying to get the Riddler to soup him as Batman? I can't see this jive-ing from a town perspective.

3. Concentration on scum as opposed to Riddler

While you consider the Riddler in terms of role souping etc., you don't seem to be hunting the Riddler at all. Like you're mostly focused on trying to find the scum-team (a la 4-man scum team me/Lyrium/Atum/Mathblade you keep repeating) but you rarely if ever mention potential Riddler and you don't push nearly as hard for that even when you do mention it. I can see reasons why that's a lower priority, but not why it wouldn't be one at all.

4. Scum-reading anyone scum-reading you

Closer to the end of D2, it felt like you were more interested in getting someone else lynched than trying to find scum to lynch. Yes, you state you think that the scum-team is Citrus/Lyrium/Atum/Mathblade. However:

Mathblade and I are two of the loudest Scum!Titus sayers. Atum basically sheeped me onto you and has continued to strongly scum-read you. Lyrium was your counter-wagon for the majority of D2.

Like do you really think the four of us are all scum AND all pushing as hard as we can TOGETHER to lynch you? Like this is paranoid as shit, but if you really thought this was happening I'm almost positive you'd be more vocal about how I-caught-the-scumteam/they're-trying-to-mislynch-me, plus I would literally scold myself if I played that badly as scum. Like please, you're just shouting this scum-team over and over when the only two reasons I can see this to be true are that three of us scum-read you. And then you really think scum!Lyrium with the three of us as scum would just sit on her hands going "I'm not sure about Titus I'm not sure about Titus hey someone Rubicon what do you think of Titus?" Like really?

This is almost becoming a rant, because I cannot believe you would be so wrong as town. I know you're wrong about me, I'm nigh positive you're wrong about Mathblade, and I can't fathom why you think me/Lyrium/Mathblade/Atum is a viable scum-team. Like you're not even ever saying "hmm kinda liking this scum-team but not sure on person A/B", you're literally saying "guys this is the scum-team I'm pretty confident"

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That turned into a bit of a rant near the end, but the I really just can't see you as playing this game from a Town PoV this game especially considering the fourth point

 

Good night for real. Tis midnight.

 

Also the point that your reads are just so different from mine. Like how can we actually both be town and yet be so off on Mathblade for a start, and I seriously doubt you'd be that off on her. And then we differ on Lyrium almost at a factual level, with us both disagreeing on her aggression/passiveness this game

 

Responding to Citrus wall tomorrow.

 

Hmm. I just realized Riddler!Titus makes a lot more sense than scum!Titus and also explains why a few people might actually be coasting off the Titus/Lyrium wagons of two days now

This is currently where I'm sitting on the game-state

Town: TerRaine, Lyrium, Mathblade, Rubicon, Snowvon
Varying degrees of Null (in order): Kento, Fluffiness, Q, Zenzao
Scum-team: Riley, Atum, Malakittens
Riddler: Titus

Only the nulls are ordered, pretty sure about the towns and Titus/Malakittens, much less sure on Riley

 

Rubicon this is probably actually the best example I can think of, but I think it shows the same mindset. Otherwise, you can look earlier in that game where I post a number of votecounts and am trying to nut out some of the rules. I mean, much more small scale stuff, but I think the mindset is clearly the same from game to game (with the whole "WTF are people role-hinting" from this game, the antipathy/apathy towards filler theme in both, and so on).

That's not to say it's a townread - I do this in every game - but I think more experience with my style will tell you it isn't an indicator either way.

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Citrus, doesn't Riddler!Titus conflict with "Role Shenanigans" a little? I can see scum!Titus outing it in-thread, but I can't see a Riddler being so open about role stuff publicly. Nor the tunneling on Math, either, as that's a setup that's liable to get them both killed.


And the scum-reading aggressors/town-reading defendors is kinda what I was getting at with the buddying. As in, I made it clear I was struggling to make up my mind on her for much of day 2, and so he supports and goes along with some of my reads/arguments to try and get me on his side (not exclusively - some of them, such as scum!Lyrium were quite popular - but that was one of the things that was making me torn on her).

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Haha, only just caught up. It's been swell. Ooh and I have a vote from Rubicon I never knew I had, as well!

 

(Riley) ():
Snowvon ():
Aekiel ():
Citrus ():
Lyrium (4): TerRaine, Zenzao, titus, Kento Kraitos
TerRaine ():
Qgqqqqq (2): snowvon, rubicon
Rubicon (1): His fluffiness
titus (4): mathblade, Malakittens, atum, citrus
Atum (1): lyrim
His fluffiness ():
Mathblade ():
Zenzao ():
Kento Kraitos ():

Not Voting (2) (Riley), Qgqqqqq

14 Alive, 8 to lynch

Mod notes:

 

Response to Citrus Wall

1. You complain my readwall is more focused on solving the game than displaying thought processes. That's a hallmark of a town game. Scum televise faked thought processes. Town solve the game.

2. The meta issues I have discussed with Rubicon. Basically, yelling at people doesn't get scum lynched.

3. At first people think I overly hunt the Riddler. Then, I am not hunting the Riddler at all. Those are mutually exclusive conditions. Second, lynching the Riddler was a waste by the time I came in. We need a scum lynch. We may end up with the Riddler since they should look scummy. There is a reason why I have five scumreads with a four player team.

This Riddler talk just sounds like an excuse to push my mislynch when it's obvious I am unaligned with pretty much everyone.

4. I do believe this. Notice how you all have very little interaction with each other, yet all solidly townread each other. This fits with Rule 1. Do not bus unless required. Your vote parking serves that purpose. Math's reasons that are just a buzzword with no work support that. Lyr's AtE supports it. Atum's lurking but for when he's the wagon support it. You have only pushed two scumreads Citrus. Both are notoriously strong players as endgame town.

You have said there is no way I am this wrong as town. That is a point borrowed from Lyriym. So I will borrow my response to her which is even more apt for you. Why don't you actually investigate? One of you people must actually be the Riddler and thus not scum if I sm right.

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As for the Batman point, I was trying to be subtle. Since when have I ever done subtle well...

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@Qqqq I am not scumreading all my detractors and townreading alk my supporters. Mal is a weak townread. Zenzao is a weak scumread.

However, that type of pattern occurs usually when I am town and right because I am mislynchable. See InuYasha and CYS.

As scum, I generally townread my accusers and push them towards other scumreads.

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Doing so allows me as scum to fake paranoia easily as townreads doing something "unexpected" allows for a reverse course if used sparingly. This was used frequently in the suicide bomber game I referenced in CYS.


Now can we stop talking meta and actually use logic?

 

@Everyone:

If you had to pick one person to exclaim was town in a really big way like I have been doing who would you pick? No reasons why.

@Terraine:

Did you visit anyone/two anyones day 1?

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The question above is @Terraine is for Terraine only. No Garcia.

 

I’ll admit I just don’t…get the case on Titus. She seems to be putting forth logical arguments and trying to get in the heads of scum in the most rational way. Also I feel like I can spend a few minutes and dismantle cases on her her with legit facts.

Let’s start with Citrus.

What does this even me? Explain? How does focusing on solving the game like this not seem like a thought process.

….are we really going to only go after certain players for seeming useless gut thoughts? 70% of some of the reads people have in this game are “I just FEEL like they’re town/scum ya know?”

A lot of pressure? She had ONE vote on her at this point. ( 1261 ) This point in relation to this read wall is bunk.

Also you ASKED HER for reads on people ( 1259 )and now are claiming that her giving reads is scummy because why would she waste time on it?

Bullshit.

She’s shown aggression and not caring what others think of her against Lyr, Math, Riley, Mala, Zenzao, citrus, Rubicon, and been patronizing/condescending to Atom

So yes. There’s plenty of aggression.

Point to posts prior to Quank flipped where she was outing him at supposedly Batman?

It’s weird you think this is scummy but not Zenzao saying either I’m scum or an info role narrowing things down for Riddler.

Lyr does this too…She said point blank in D2 only scum are looking for riddler right now. And you think she’s town. You’re SO inconsistent trying to force this read.

Also Titus said MUTIPLE times she thinks Math is Riddler possibly. So….not only are you inconsistent here but wrong.

That’s only one reason. Also she’s scum reading Zenzao slightly which you ignore to force this. Also she’s provided reasons for Lyrium, math, and I’ve laid out a pretty clear case on you. The only one I don’t recall seeing a case against is Atum.

TITUS? Case on Atum?

Your reads are also vastly different from mine and you rank me town.

I disagree with you on Lyrium, Titus, Kento, you, and possibly Q…need to go back eventually and do my case on him.


Can I link to a google doc of voting variances i made? I’m not sure on the rules here

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......are you out of your god damned mind? I'm not answering this.

 

Send me/kalas a PM with link, I'm not against it personally but kalas has final say

 

@Math, Sure, why don't we help scum who to kill and narrow down The Question for scum

@Ter, Atum is an opportunistic lurker who comes to life only when wagoned. There cannot be more of a case becausehe doesn't post enough.

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Oh and stop rolefishing Ter Math.

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I am posting a lot less today. I have the flu.

 

...that sucks a lot Titus.

i got sick before/on Christmas a few years ago. Fuck'n miserable.

 

Citrus, Titus as Riddler doesn't work otherwise I, TerRaine and a few others would be dead by now. Titus, she doesn't have to fish as Ter kind of like blasted it to the heavens. Its obvious Ter is b Golden or the bus driver. And the Lyr is Oracular but Riddler is Riley I believe and isn't playing\trying bc Riley is not a role guesser kind of type.

Be town Titus, like town reactions plz.

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I'm still trying to get around the whole "didn't read day one" thing like at least have skimmed it or that is so scummy.

But the prodigial Atum is here and maybe he'll speak before this time hes really put down.

 

Damn it Titus and Ter I am not role fishing.

I am trying to figure out why Terraine is so convinced Titus is town. Her read wall rebuttal to Citrus takes nearly everything out of context except for one thing. I am giving Terraine the benefit of the doubt here.

Almost every role up there visits someone. It wasn't a rolefish more asking if Terraine has info that makes her think Titus is town rather than whatever that mess of a wall was.

 

I have issues with the bolded. To start, you're not an easy mislynch Titus. You're more likely to get scumread than townread sure, but you've got some pretty scummy town meta so that's understandable. But you talk too well to be an easy mislynch.

I'm pretty sure MB started your wagon D2, or at least joined it pretty early. If you call any vote on you opportunistic it really doesn't mean anything. So explain what you define as opportunistic and how it applies.

Explain your read on Lyrium or point me to an earlier iteration if you could.

Did you ever end up reading the posts that came before you replaced in? Citrus scumhunts through town PoE pretty transparently (read: blatantly) for most of D1, though I'm not sure what came of that. And he's definitely come after you recently so that's a weak claim. In regard to voting town, technically the same is true of yourself, with the possible exception of Lyrium, and he's voting you right now so...

I can accept being bad town in this game but I'm gonna need you to explain the opportunistic thing again. I have so interrogated a person, it just happened to be D1 stuff. And while I have posted relatively less than everyone else, I think there should still be plenty of material for you to at get some kind of read through content. Or you admit that one of your strongest reads is purely meta on D3.

Give examples for the Zenzao weirdness, especially since you weaken your own read at the end. Who else is in your scumteam, since Zenzao and Math are unaligned?

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Lyrium, you don't have what it takes to put me down, but I dare you to try.

 

Fiesty, Atum...its tempting...maybe after Titus? Her "100% mechanical confirmed" is such a load of Croc that I want her to die for it like bear your cross.

 

Oh, and get better Titus!

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@ika: Are you missing a name, or does Lyrium only have 4 votes on her?

 

Regarding Atum's nonsense.

First, Math was hard scumreading Quank untilI subbed in. Then immediately, I was scum possible but didn't fit with Quank. I pushed her towards voting me and having that conversation. Now Math's entire worldview is I am scum and fitting the facts to that. Her vote on me Day 2 made me the largest wagon.

Also, in a good percentage of my recent towngames I start in, I am mislynched onor before day 3. Most of my VCA cracks were sub ins.

Lyrium's right that my read on her us a load of Croc because... she is the Croc. She was almost certainly blocked by the GA or Batman N1. She and Quank are the only pair that fit with a guilty fro. GA Batman. GA or Batman should have a guilty.

Atum, you vote parked and left for days on me. That is opportunistic and defensive. You popped on and voted me just as people thought you were leaving. You haven't applied pressure or scumhunted. You have just gone with the lynch Titus flow.

As for Zenzso, his combined push with Lyrium about the croc not acting was wierd. He was more defensive when under suspicion than not. It was discussed awhile back.

Also I see no reason to find Zenzao and Math are unaligned.

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Oh and Atum I have not. I read people by interaction and VCA.

 

Ah so brief moment of insanity on my part then.

We need a deadline on when to start the ice cream parade. Tomorrow and Christmas limited to no posting here.

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So if no ice cream today likely after Christmas.