Just a suggestion, but making an excuse for why you sound like scum in your first post, isn't exactly going to make people less likely to think you're scum.

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Don't do this, if you think someone is being suspiciously quiet then get them to post more. The most dangerous players are the scum who go unnoticed.

Again, you want to get these people to give you more information.

 

Sorry I've been working and exposed to insane overdosage of caffeine and Vitamin B so I'm still a little fuzzy but we're low on time.

Aek is either Strong!Town or skilled scum. I think it's a tossup at this point, but we'll see after a day or two.

 

I know what I need to do, but if they don't respond then I can't really do much can I? Espeically considering I wouldn't be the first, second or even third to call them out on it. At this point, making the suggestion that I "call them out," is a bit stupid when everyone else did the same thing. I think you're basically just attempting to throw shit at me and see if it sticks. Try again.

As for making an excuse, if you re-read it, you'll notice I didn't make any kind of excuse, I basically said I'm gonna play however I play and if it doesn't change how you view things than I can't be assed to cater to their desires. Forget that.

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@Rents, we have at least a full 24 hours dude. Give us more if you can please.

 

(Meant to post almost four hours ago, but a friend just flew into town)

Anyway, in my defense, not only did I give my reasons, since I feel that people being extra silly are often trying to hide something by deflection, I did name other people of concern to me earlier. It's not so much that I think Rubicon is explicitly super scummy, and I'm hardly trying to make other people vote for him, I just have my stated reasoning to do so myself. I'll change if someone makes a grievous error, perhaps, but until then I'm sticking to my gut.

Fontisian is being helpful, and maybe a previous game is just coloring things, but I still get a twinge about her.

There is probably something notable with the whole Typhon, Bill and Wetnurse thing, but I'm not sure yet which if any.

Aekiel's strangely strong stance on my supposedly 'groundless reasoning' is strange to me, when it's pretty weak itself, although perhaps it makes sense to his logic.

The Smile 'fiasco', as it were, seems to have kind of faded into the background now that others are posting again or for the first time. Might be first-day jitters, might not be. Not sure if it's a good thing to sweep it under the rug yet.

Then there are those that haven't posted yet. I'll give that not doing is kind of suspicious, but one game-day alone isn't really enough. It's when there is a pattern of not posting, that concern should really develop. So, I'll have to see what happens there.

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Just getting this in here for now. I'll be busy with my friend for the next while.

 

I don't have time to sort through the old games but if my memory serves me right, you always appear at end of day AFTER you've been called out for not posting. Your post now exemplifies this.

Anyway, on to bigger stuff.

My bad there. I had Stojil's post mixed up with Kalas.

I have to agree with you on this. I noticed Kalas looking at the thread earlier.
The same goes for you Menace.

Anyway, with Kalas being removed from my town list and the current disappearing act I think he's kind of scummy.

Unvote
Vote: Kalas

 

It's because you focused almost exclusively on Rubicon for what even you admit was a joke. Jokes happen on day one because everyone is in high spirits. This is normal. You basing a serious accusation on one just doesn't seem right, no matter how you look at it.

It'd be like me voting for Menace based on his failure to continue the Pulp Fiction quote. It makes no sense.

It's difficult to explain; more the way you post than what you say. Aside from attacking Stojil based entirely on him being a good player. I understand being wary of him, but it's sheer stupidity to attack the best players simply because they could be scum.

On top of that is Rubicon. He's my best town read so far so I'm wary of the people who were pushing his bandwagon. As far as I can tell, you based your vote against Rubicon on a joke, then went on to say he was your number one suspect. Then you voted for Uncle Stojil for spurious reasons.

You're either so far into derp town you're a derpneck, or you're scum, and while I'd like to go for a stronger scum read at this point. I don't have one.

Vote: Schrodinger

Plus, if you flip scum I think there's a half decent chance that Fenraellis is scum too, which is always a plus for day one lynches.

 

Hey guys, let's lynch Uncle Stojil because he's smart, and smart players are never good for town! Oh, but if it turns out he's town, then remember, I was just suggesting him for metagaming reasons, and suspected Rubicon all along anyway (for reasons that are a complete mystery and that I haven't expanded on despite posting after being called out on that).

What.

I also find it hilarious that this is your response to a call for content.

I also don't like this.

Leaving your lynch on Aekiel is not that useful if you don't challenge him for a way to assuage your concerns, there is little to no pressure solely from a vote. As it stands, your reasoning is this:

Yeah.

Lol.

'We have time' is a horrible reason to not do anything. Day 1 it's not so much of an issue because there are plenty of people posting and throwing things around, but in later days that attitude will lead to completely empty days and last minute panic lynches. Even on Day 1, maximising the use of time is in town's best interests.

And just ask them questions. What do you think of this guy? Why do you say that thing there? Why haven't you addressed this issue? Even if it's a simple question, it gets people to post and provide information that could prove vital in later days.

Thank you for this. It goes a long way towards resolving my issues with you. Still needs a vote to back it up, though.

Eh, I'd disagree at the point of the votes. Aekiel's lack of real content at that point was as much of a problem as some of the other stuff, and pressure voting for content is a valid tactic - indeed, it worked, didn't it?

Me too.

I agree on this point, especially given his disinclination to get serious and pressure people.

Really? I find his inactivity and lack of content telling on its own.

If by before you mean in the same post, then sure.

But prior to that, this is your view on Rubicon:

Given your null read off Kalas and your scummy side of null on Smile, I'd like to hear how you reached a null leaning town with Rubicon.

As for my own readwall:

Aekiel
Bill Door
Fenraellis
Fontisian
Jwlk
Kalas
LochNess
Menace
Moridin
Rents
Riley Poole
Rubicon
Schrodinger
Sesc
SmileoftheKill
Typhon
Uncle Stojil
Wetnurse

(Only just realised this is in alphabetical order)

Aekiel is leaning closer to town now than he was before. My main gripe with him was lack of content, and that's been assuaged to a point. I'd like to see follow ups in terms of votes and pressure.

Bill Door hasn't been playing aggressive at all. #68 is his first real content post, and from then on until #93, Smile is the only one he really pressures. #93 is some questioning, which is good, but no real pressure on people for their posts, which is not so much. It feels like a response to all the pressure on him rather than anything legit. His Kalas read is also somewhat odd, in my opinion, as Kalas was only really confrontational with Rubicon.

Fenraellis seems odd with his focus on Rubicon for a little joking when there are bigger problems around. Aside from that, he hasn't really pressured or even called out anyone. Even his vote on Rubicon hasn't been accompanied by any pressure, especially given Rubicon's later posts that do have some content to be analysed.

Fontisian seems to have not posted all that much. #48 doesn't really say anything, except for the votecount. While it may be construed as padding, I at least found it helpful. I like #74 except how she backed off Typhon, whose reasoning I don't accept as valid.

Jwlk has yet to post, which honestly feels like afkness rather than any particular scumminess. Will need content from him to consider further, especially given how much more there is to work with now.

Kalas seems to have made his way onto a couple of town lists, and I'm not entirely sure why. He disappeared after his initial exchange with Rubicon, so I'll wait for more on him. What is there isn't particularly persuasive one way or the other.

LochNess is the same as Jwlk.

Menace had a couple of random nonsense posts early on, and then has disappeared. Without anything to the contrary afaik, I'll give him the benefit of doubt on this one and wait for him to reappear - but given that he approaches a thread with a ton of content since he left it, I'll be expecting a bunch from him.

Rents had a couple of nonposts and then a post saying Aekiel is either town or scum. What. :/

Riley Poole put no pressure on anyone. Not the inactives, not the players present. Don't like that at all.

Rubicon seems to be on the town side for most people, but I'll admit I don't see it. While his later posts have been decent, I'm not getting the particularly strong town read from him that others refer to. I like his last post, admittedly, and he has been generally active and posting, so town side of null.

Schrodinger is just bad. The alternate wincon mention I could maybe write off as random consideration, but his other posts have been horrible. He's completely defensive regarding that one point, without anything beyond that in any post. His first 11 posts have nothing useful, especially #89 which I cover above, and after that... wait, nvm. Quality over quantity, bro. Are you seriously saying 'which one is Kalas' and 'penis measuring contest' should be included in the tally of useful posts by you? If not, then which ones should? Point out some posts where you've provided quality analysis please.

Sesc posted a decent analysis, so he seems okay. I agree with him regarding Schrodinger and Bill. I'd still like to see more from him, especially given it's only his second post and he hasn't actually mentioned most people. A follow up post with wider coverage would go a long way.

Smile is one player I still don't like, again, for reasons mentioned above. Evasiveness, defensiveness, lack of any real pressure on anyone, lack of content, all add up to a picture I don't think is very pretty.

Typhon put in a good post in #98. I agree with respect to Bill's posting style, and he makes a good point about Bill's interaction with Wetnurse. Another good point is how at least one of the people others are writing off as derp town is likely to be scum using derp as a cover (or ven an excuse). I covered #98 in more depth above.

Uncle Stojil has few posts, but he's made them count. He's put pressure on people, including Schrodinger (which led to Schrodinger's #89), Smile, Wetnurse and Rubicon. This has in all led to some good discussion, so I'm okay with putting him down as tentative town. Not more because he hasn't really covered all that many topics, though hopefully he'll also do a readwall sooner or later to rectify that.

Wetnurse is yet another derper. I think it may be his first game? That's the impression I got. At the very least, advocating random lynch still looks bad to me. He makes a couple of mentions of Riley's posting style in older games, though, which should mean he's at least read them, which makes the random lynch thing worse, imo. His claim of 'mistakenly' putting Kalas down as a townread and then backtracking and voting him when called on it... well, I suppose it could be a mistake. It reads bad to me, though. I don't like his readwall at #91 either. His null reads give reasons that are actually fairly scummy, while his scumread reasons (specifically Rubicon, Typhon, Rents, Sesc) are meh at best. While his read on Riley may seem like it puts pressure on him, it instead repeats what Riley said - that he always seems scummy. Note that this would include games in which Riley was town, so it's either a backup for if Riley flips town or a foundation for a soft defense later.

Since Schrodinger is the one I want to post a detailed analysis right now,

Unvote

Vote Lynch: Schrodinger

This should be the current status of the votes based on the changes since Eido's last votal.

Aekiel (4) SmileOfTheKill, Menace, Fontisian, Uncle Stojil
Rubicon (1) Fenraellis
SmileOfTheKill (2) Kalas, Bill Door
Bill Door (1) Sesc
Schrodinger (3) Rents, Aekiel, Moridin
Wetnurse (1) Typhon
Uncle Stojil (1) Schrodinger
Menace (1) Rubicon
Kalas (1) Wetnurse

Abstaining (3) Jwlk, LochNess, Riley Poole

Not going to double check this, so take it as you wish. I do want Riley to put down a vote one way or the other.

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Huh.

I blame all those people running around irresponsibly posting readwalls that schmucks like me then have to respond to ;_;

 

Sorry I'm late, fellas! Had some stuff to do, but I've been keeping up so I should be good to go from here on out. Let's do this.

Alright, so. The first exchange between Rubicon and Kalas. My first thought was that Smile wasn't even being defensive in this post (though that's not to say it was a good post), and that Rubicon was trying to build some early town cred with his s1k skumhunting ski11z. Whether that's because he has a good town role and he doesn't want to risk being lynched, or he's scum and is going with a hyper offensive strategy this game, I'm not sure.

The other possibility is that he actually was onto something and Kalas, as Smile's scumbuddy, panicked. Seeing as though this is Day 1 and it was a flimsy attack at best, though, I don't think it's very likely.

Thing is, Smile followed this confrontation up with a lot of terrible posts and then dropped off the map. Makes me think that he's trying to lay low until all the bad attention on him blows over. Not good. I've got my eye on him (acronyms are for WHORES).

So those are two things that jumped out at me. Now for individual stuff that caught my eye.

Wetnurse: This post is really, really stupid. Where do you think the information comes from in Day 1 votes? Your attempt to justify it here isn't great either. The thing is, just saying "Screw it, let's lynch whoever and take our information from there" eliminates the possibility of getting any info out of anyone besides the person who gets lynched, because everyone can throw their hands up the next day and say "It was just a random lynch, I didn't pick them for any reason in particular!"

This is Day 1 stuff, man. (Heh)

Then you go and vote Typhon for being noncommittal in this post when he had literally taken a stance and cast his vote two hours ago. Added to your 'questions' which were all nonsense, I get the impression that you're flailing around trying to secure some towncred.

And then there's this. I'll give you a play by play of my thoughts as I read this post. Alright, he's got some vaguely reasoned town reads, but I agree with them for the most part so that's fine. Okay, I'd say Schrodinger is a little worse than null, but people can have opinions.

What. Why is this scum list so big? This is only an 18 man game, which means six scum is almost impossible. Also, why is he rehashing the same joke nonsense that Fenraellis is for his read on Rubicon? And why is he jotting down Fenraellis as scum for lynch voting Rubicon for the same exact reason he thinks Rubicon is scum?

Schrodinger: You're being a moron. There is no excuse. This post is literally retarded, and it's unforgivable even if you are just screwing around. You provide no reasoning for suspecting Rubicon, and your reasoning for lynching Stojil is almost worse than that.

Smile: Your first post after Rubicon's attack was fine (I thought) but after that it just went down hill. You've made one post that's actually said something, and in it you say that the back and forth between Rubicon and Kalas looked fake and thus they probably aren't on the same team. You followed that up with some reads that didn't mean anything and proceeded to cut the post without any scum reads.

Then ya drop off the map. No bueno, son. No bueno.

Riley: Not gonna hold your late start against you because lol, but this post wasn't great. You had a couple town reads and plenty of null reads, but not a single solid scum read. Also that bit at the end was noooot reassuring. I want three scum reads out of you, no "null leaning scum," as well as a lynch vote. Please and thank you.

Aekiel: This post was... bad. I think you were saying that Wetnurse's random lynch suggestion was scummy, but it came off as you spewing mechanics info in the hopes of looking productive.

Fenraellis: When you first mistook Rubicon's joke claim as an indication to lynch vote him, I said fine. Misunderstandings can happen, maybe you thought he screwed up real bad. Fine. But keeping it there after a full day of discussion, after at least three people have told you it was just a joke, and saying that you think it was a clever scum ploy? That's bullshit.

I didn't even register it as something of significance until you started harping on it, because it wasn't. At this point, I'm getting the feeling that you just want an excuse to hold a lynch vote on Rubicon. And that's bad. Really bad.

Alright, now for the good part. Reads.

Moridin- Town read. He's had several lengthy posts with strong opinions that I mostly agree with. Keep it up.
Rubicon- Town read. He kicked things off for town, and even though I think his execution with Kalas and Smile was poor, his efforts since then have been similarly towny.
Aekiel- Town read. As I said, your first serious post was pretty bad, but since then you've had some solid input and made a lynch vote I can get behind.

SmileoftheKill- You made some terrible posts, only one of which had any substance, and then you disappeared. Get back in here and start doing things, dammit.
Fenraellis- Scum read. What are you even doing? Your reasoning for your current lynch vote is bad and you should feel bad.
Wetnurse- Scum read. Your first post talking about random lynching was bad and things only went downhill from there. That was probably the worst readwall I've seen since Lungs.
Schrodinger- Scum read x2. Your posts couldn't be any more useless if you tried.

Everyone else is null for now, I'm afraid. Stay tuned as the story progresses.

I think he needs to die.

Rescind Lynch Vote: Aekiel
Lynch Vote: Schrodinger

 

I don't do read walls.

Rescind
Vote: Menace

I'm predicting it will be Schrodinger by the end of this post, simply because Menace is lurking on the thread and odds are he's gonna post a long ass readwall. (Fake Edit: I knew it.)

Anyway:

to which Schrodinger answers:

Again, really weird. I'm not sure if the meaning of the question simply went over his head completely but... it looks bad. A little bad for Kalas, too, but mostly for Schro.

fontisian: make a case against yourself (I'm not kidding).

Rents: make a case against someone.

Wetnurse: what do you think of Rubicon?

Kalas: analyze Wetnurse's readwall.

Bill Door: analyze Aekiel's readwall.

Sesc: analyze Riley's readwall.

I'll read Menace's post carefully but for now:

Rescind
Vote: Schrodinger

 

I don't know how many games you've played but the last two, both times I had issues that were worked through so I could play frequently. Other than that, this is not the norm for me. The post that you referred to again explains it.

Also it wasn't end of day we still had a good 24ish hours if I recall the timer right. That's nowhere near end of day. So I say again, keep trying.

I did that bit at the end because if I didn't people would have jumped all over the earlier statment that I'll always seem scummy and I wanted to just put it out there that I'm here to kill scum and if you don't like how I do that, then do it yourself.

As for reads:

Wetnurse hasn't done much more than throw out some words and hope no one notices. As soon as someone attacks, it's all defense, no probing beyond what's already stated. Low profile included makes me think scum. That combined with the fact that of the ones in his 'yet to post' list I'm the only one with any kind of information posted. Painting a target on an inactive is stupid, regardless of what meta-info you might be working on.

Kalas is hiding and it's annoying since he had a small skirmish early on and then disappeared. It makes me think he was trying to seem active and then he stopped to hide from lynches. Why?

Schrodinger is extremely defensive on all counts and when it comes to attacks, he's extremely weak in a lot of regards. I want to see him be more proactive in terms of pointing things out and engaging others rather than reacting.

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Forgot to add lynchvote.

Lynch Vote: Wetnurse

 

Got to apologize guys, weekends are my busiest work period and I have a friend up visiting so there's been less time to post then I thought. Been trying to at least keep up on the thread from my phone but bleh.

@Stojil: Its bad, and I've written some terrible ones. The reasoning is terrible for the majority of people. I don't belong in town reads, a lot of his null reads SHOULD be scum reads based on his own posted reasoning, while some of the scummy should be in null with his offered reasoning. The rolefishing reaction shot at Rents is slightly concerning as well.

When called out on my name being on his town list, he see's an opportunity and pulls a complete 180, his 'reason' being he got me and you mixed up. To me, this screams of a role list that wasn't put together through information but by throwing names into certain reads and justifying them after the fact. An inexperienced scum player trying to slip in a quality post basically.

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With that in mind,

Rescind Vote
Vote: Wetnurse

 

Apologies for my absence. Yesterday was brutal, and when I finally got home I passed out halfway through a tl:dr.

This does not address my points, and really even gut feeling votes are useful information (for us about you). But whatever, I'll judge you on your most recent post.

Alright, I like all the reads enough to Unvote.

Typhon is acting more like his usual self, which makes me feel a lot better about him. Moridin also looks pretty good.

Smile is really confusing me. I wouldn't mind lynching him.

Fen is playing very safe. It's not a good thing.

I'll add that anyone who put a meaningless vote on Rubicon or who Rubicon voted for meaninglessly today are on my list of potential scum mates for Rubicon. Though, Rubicon is leaning town for me, so that list may not matter. But others may imitate our tactics from the last game.

Yeah, I knew that would bring back bad memories from the last game when I did it. Still, if it helps out I'm willing to deal with a little extra suspicion.

This is stupid. It adds very little content, because the reasoning is stupid and the lynch is unlikely to take off even with solid reasoning.

Yeah, I realized a couple seconds after posting.

Could you elaborate on this?

Stojil has done it before. And, why are you not a big fan of the Aekiel wagon?

You know, there was a third party in two of Eido's three mini mafias. The comment was really weird, but that's not why it was weird.

Riley finally voted for someone, so I'll delete this section complaining about how he hasn't voted. Riley: What do you think of Menace?

I am bouncing back and forth between seeing Wetnurse as derp town or derp scum. The confusion with Kalas as a town read pushed him back into the derp scum area.

Menace's post looks good on the surface, but the arguments all repeat something already posted in the thread. Menace: What do you think of Fen's most recent post?

Vote: Menace

Fine, but I'm doing it in third person.

Votes and posts first, suggesting some eagerness, which could indicate a scum role. The vote for Rubicon is safe. She's done it many times before, so if called on it, she can simply point to those times and say the vote meant nothing.

Tongue in cheek responce to Rubicon's post that mirrors the "scum is definitely on this list" from last game.

Puts some (weak) pressure on Smile.

Defends Rubicon and follows his lead in attacking Typhon. I doubt they are both scum because this connection is so obvious, but it's possible. Puts a bit more pressure on Wetnurse as well. Responds to Schro's joke without calling him out on his idiocy. The "What do you think of Kalas" question may be there to reinforce a connection between Rubicon and Kalas, which if she were scum, she could later use to cause a mislynch. The vote count is highly reminiscent of the last game, and tends to add information to the game without analysis. The scumminess of it depends on whether she thought the information sharing would balance out the scummy reminder.

Puts deserved pressure on Wetnurse and Aekiel. A bit of pressure on Sesc to get posting, but it's fairly light. Apparently forgot about the vote on Typhon and immediately backed off, which could suggest a lack of commitment to scum suspects, which is a good sign of scumminess.

font then disappears for a day, which is uncharacteristic for her and undermines the earlier excite impression. In conclusion, fontisian is town because I got a quicktopic saying she is. Please never ask me to do this again.

 

He seems really strangely focused on Rubicon. More than half of his reads mention Rubicon in some way. His scum read on Fenraellis is because Fen had been attacking Rubicon. He seems too certain that Rubicon is town. They could both be scum and Aekiel is trying to set him up as super town, or maybe just Aekiel is scum and is buddying up to who he sees is the towniest player. Or maybe Aek is town and is just overly confident in his reads, but that doesn't seem to fit with how he's played in previous games.

Seeing how his role flips could be very useful.

So for now I'll rescind vote, Vote Aekiel. At least until Smile posts something.

 

Vote Count 1.2

Schrodinger (5) Rents, Aekiel, Moridin, Menace, Uncle Stojil
Wetnurse (3) Typhon, Riley Poole, Kalas
Aekiel (2) SmileOfTheKill, Bill DOor
Menace (2) Rubicon, Fontisian
Bill Door (1) Sesc
Kalas (1) Wetnurse
Rubicon (1) Fenraellis
Uncle Stojil (1) Schrodinger

Abstaining (2) Jwlk, LochNess

With 18 alive, it is 10 to Hard Lynch and 6 to Soft Lynch

Timer for Day One End

 

We have waaaaay more time than I thought.

 

@Menace

Let me explain carefully my line of thought since most of you have a different understanding of what I posted.

This one is definitely a derp on my part. RL for RL's sake is stupid.

What I'm trying to say here is that all the connections people make are useless until after someone gets lynched. If people still have a hard time understanding then let me explain as best as I could.

If player A notices that player B and player C SEEM like they are ganging up on player D. From player A's point of view B and C are buddies. But how can player A ascertain that players B and C are scum or just allied townies? Only if someone gets lynched from the pool of people who are connected (B and C as buddies and D as the target). If D flips town then From A's PoV, B and C are most probably scum that ganged up on D. If D flips scum then B and C were probably allied townies who are helping each other make a case to take down who was scum from their PoV. If either B or C get lynched (flipping either scum or town), then A can get different scenarios to think about. Now if neither B, C, or D are lynched, tell me if A gets past the part where he just notices connections? Player A is stuck with baseless connections.

I hope that clears that up.

I pressure Typhon to make a stand. Which do you prefer, Typhon placing a vote on me (a person he thinks is scummy) or Typhon whose vote could be swinged by an influential scum that acts towny?

My scum list can be as big as I want it since the only person I can trust to be town at this point in the game is myself. I can post my reads on who's acting towny and who's smelling fishy but I can't be really sure. All I can say is that those on my Scummy-List are the people who breathes the wrong way, from my PoV.



@Stojil

I think he is a bit scummy for soft-claiming Ender Wiggin. It's easy enough to joke about it at this point of the game since it is the start. However, if he were scum who reaches late game (assuming no Ender Wiggin role has flipped), he could easily point to this soft-claim to solidify his position. On the other hand, if he really is Ender Wiggin then it could help him easily as well. Right now, I'm just being paranoid so I'm thinking of this soft-claim as scummy.



@Riley

I didn't really attack you on my read wall. Heck, you haven't even made a single post yet. It was only an attempt at meta-gaming using whatever I remembered from you on your previous games. You deciding to answer that off-hand observation in a very defensive manner just makes you seem scummy.

I have thrown out a lot of words and I've gotten flak for it. Count the number of votes on me. Count the number of people who have me as scummy on their reads. As for people attacking me. Most of the attacks on me were due to me derping for suggesting an RL. What you see as me defending was just me not being clear enough with what I mean. If you want, go reread my reply for Menace to understand how I think.

 

I'm distracted with some work, give me six hours or so for a decent reply.

 

Honestly starting to think that I should just resort to my usual strategy of not even really voting on the first day, and waiting for some absolute results before building a real case. Well, if voting with a semi-justified reason not backed by any actual facts, like everyone else here so far on day one, gets people on my case so much, hah!

Then again, it also just as likely means a few things. It's certainly possible that the most ardent antagonists feel they have a reason to protect Rubicon, which is strange when my one vote obviously isn't creating a lynch on Rubicon at this point otherwise.

Here's looking at Aekiel, Menace... and possibly Wetnurse(oddly emphasizes multiple times my putting a fourth vote on Rubicon). I feel like there are others, but I don't have time at this moment to re-read the entire thread.

Honestly, even though I know it's not going anywhere at this point, I'm perfectly content to leave my vote as is. See what kinds of backwards responses I get as a result. Be they separation or backtracking, it's all useful information, I think.

 

Menace is town.

Unvote: Menace
Vote: Schro

That's soft lynch so nobody else should vote him until closer to the deadline.

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That was frightening to read. Please never do that again.

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I agree on all points, although my gut and review of past games says this is just Smile being Smile. A lot of people on DLP spend waaaaay too much time defending themselves even when they're town.

Did it work when Stojil did it?

It was good as pressure and I'm glad it drew him out but he's not doing anything scummy? And it's definitely a crappy wagon now following those last two posts by him.

Exactly, and that's why I found it weird. Suddenly mentioning "oh wow a triple blind game this should be interesting" like we've never had alternate wincons or third parties? The obvious question is why he does that now and the obvious answer is because he knows something. To follow that up with a ridiculous vote on Uncle Stojil for being a good player, and not really have any actual reads on anyone? I don't buy it.

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I only halfway followed that but isn't this meant to explain why you suggested a random lynch? If I understood what you're saying, Player A should want to lynch one of players B, C, D, not a random player. Also, it's worth noting that simply because Player D flips scum, Player A shouldn't assume that players B, C are town, and just because Player D flips town doesn't mean B & C are actually buddies. And the bigger point is that while yes, Player A can't know what the connections between B, C, and D mean until one of them flips, we can certainly find scum tells that aren't related to alignment and lynch people according to that.

That said, I like your pressure on Riley and your vote on Kalas. What do you think of Schrodinger?

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:/
This is unsatisfying and you ignore most of what people are saying about you.

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Serious question, not related to this game in any way, just because I'm genuinely curious how people perceive me - do I usually strike you as super towny in my town games?

(I like the rest of your post.)

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aren't related to connections, I mean. Scum tells are by definition related to alignment

 

Did you just quote and respond to yourself...