Titus, don't do that thing you did in avatar where you are convinced you're right and then close off to any other possibility. -__-

Your case is based on flimsy assumption and this idea that I was planning this from the start. You have nothing solid, I've said several things in #1532 you've yet to address, blab and I keep finding holes in what you're saying, you dismiss Maiden's actions as 'wifom' with nothing to back it up only to make it fit your theory...

How am I scum, given what I've said?

Lynch Vote: Sloth

Prove it. I'll be back in a few hours.
Everyone, if I'm lynched before I come back and you see my flip, remember who I told you to look at.

 

Five did not bid on BP.

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We can look at the scenario. Anyone who recommended a vig shot is an unaligned pair. We can track that, unless scum somehow have knowledge that the vig was fake. That's unlikely.

You're confusing one fact with a lynchpin. I'll lay out the gold and everything every night. We can walk through it from there.

I am more certain on Citrus than Sloth, although I would be pretty sure on you Sloth as well. I'll just start with the most certain in Citrus. If Citrus is town, come after me. If Citrus flips scum, we should be lynching Sloth.

Sloth why are you so certain that Citrus is town that you are willing to die to protect him?

 

Just saying Titus, you're basically leading this third lynch wherever it goes. If we lose and you're town, it's disproportionately on you

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I'm telling you right now it's Riley, I should have just gone with my gut since D2 rather than listen to anything else. Titus, you're the one that was positive about MathBlade being scum. Go ahead and fucking throw

 

This is what happened. [Notes, explained what happened]

There is one version, that SHOULD be accurate regardless of who is scum. The other assumes Riley scum and Riley town.


Universal Happenings

Day 1: Zeigt modkilled. Possum NKed. Fonti gets Possum's 3 gold due to last will.
Day 2: Fonti (Weatherman - Innocent Child Mod Killed). ??? (prob Scum not Sloth unless gold mechanic), Lucky, Zennith, and I get gold.
4 people bid on Watcher. {If gold is lost, then the bidders are likely Ird, Blab, Moridin and Custer/Mathblade}
Night 2: Rubicon is killed (Gold Gets Assigned)
Day 3: Mathblade is lynched. (Moridin, ???, Riley) get gold. Zennith dies. (Neither Citrus NOR I get gold. Zennith has two gold that he can give away.)
2 bid on BP. {Ird/Blab/Moridin are the probables... Mathblade wouldn't logically bid as she perceived herself a mislynch target}
Day 4: Luckylee is lynched. (I am not sure if he had gold but I think not). Maiden dies.

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Riley is scum

Same as above, but Riley lied about getting gold from Fonti... Why do that though? He doesn't stand to gain anything from lying.

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Riley is town.

We need two scum.

Night 3: Riley is roleblocked. Roleblocker is missing. Roleblocker is scum PR with money. There are a few gaps in the money, which suggests scum got it.

Those who are bidding are NOT likely roleblockers.

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Behavioral Notes: THE FOCUS OF THE CASE

Citrus voted Zennith as ika's wagon was developing and NEVER had any significant interaction with ika, but for one coaching post. Citrus also never had interaction with Zeigt either.

Citrus and Sloth both vote up Rubicon when he's pushing known scum.

Citrus and Sloth are both aware of my tendency to tunnel and how to feed into that. Riley would become a free mislynch due to his already established derpy tendancies.

Fonti wanted Sloth dead and Fonti winds up dead with a likely scum vig. The interactions between

[Notes 1]: Vig, Double Voter, Talking, Investigation and Protective are all taken. IC is the only thing plausible for Fonti. It also is consistent with the mod telling us how "Guilty Child" works. It makes sense for us to have an innocent child.

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Citrus, prove it is Riley. You don't get to basically blame me for the outcome of this and sit on your ass. Don't think so. Try this. Play the fucking game. We've had God knows how many players just fucking resign. If we lose this, it's because town didn't give a damn after that lynch.

If you do flip town, Riley has to be scum as there is no fucking roleblocker in the game. I do believe that Riley is town now.

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**Fonti was not modkilled. Got distracted. Fonti was dayvigged.

 

Cool. Then go ahead and watch me flip

Vote: Citrus

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Autolynch Riley tomorrow.

I'm leaning towards lynching Moridin after that, that would be my best suggestion though see how the new days play out also

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And no, noone is receiving any gold upon my death because I don't have any. Way to waste my passive bullet-proof ability. 3-way town block my ass

 

Citrus, are you seriously claiming passive bulletproof when the bulletproof is up for sale?

You never claimed to have gold? So how could you be a BP?

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Our goal has to be to resolve this game. How the hell can I get it right if no one else is willing to put out theories.

Blab is trying but if you and Sloth are town, this is ridiculous. I can't win the game by myself. I need help.

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Dude, why do you think I am looking at town!Riley?

Give me an Ird case. Give me a Moridin case. Gove me something!

 

I have never claimed to have gold, nor have I had any at any point in this entire game.

FYI bids start at 1 gold so I haven't bid or bought anything at any point.

 

Then how in God's name are you BP? Why would there be two bps? I smell bullshit.

Maiden's BP, Your BP, My commuting, the jail? How could scum kill?

 

Titus, if you're getting confused go off what I said in jail

 

Unvote.

Look at that, once again, nothing I said specifically seems to get through. Holy shit, if Riley’s right and Titus is scum, he’ll never let us live it down. -__-

What? Where did you get this? Was possum even around at all to set up a last will? Why do you think this MUST have happened rather than Fonti simply having 4 gold like I did?
You explain something with the innocent child I didn’t quite follow, but if the rest did, fine.

…Titus, do me a favor. You know that quote by Maiden you posted on #1542? What’s Maiden’s next post immediately after? As in, 2 posts after that one. Thank you.

Maiden. Mathblade had no reason to hide it and say Maiden would get some.

5 bid on the BP. Again, read that other post I mentioned. Also, I bid on the Watch after I was reasonably sure I wasn’t going to be lynched, so don’t be convinced.

He’s Town, therefore had no reason to lie about his ability, and he said he had 2, correct?

??? Do you mean Mathblade?

How did I feed into that? I’m the guy that keeps saying he’s Town.

The hell? I’ve been trying too. I’ve given my thoughts, if you don’t like it there’s nothing I can do about that.

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…Do not speak for me. I never said I thought Citrus was Town and my every indication has been that one of you is scum. I’m trying to be fair here after Avatar but moves like that really make me feel you’re scum.
You KNOW why I self-voted, because I SAID why I would.

Funny, by the way, that you still have yet to address anything I’ve mentioned in my other post. I’m Town. If I need to get lynched to prove it, I will, but I’m curious as to why nothing of what I’ve said in it makes you doubt yourself.

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Moving to RILEY MUST BE SCUM!!! to SLOTH MUST BE SCUM!!! is not fixing your narrow-mentality problem, is moving it from one place to another, especially with little argument.

But fine, gimme a minute for Ird and Mori.

 

Really, no argument???

Fonti is an IC. There's no other role for Fonti. ICs have one gold. Possum can easily set up his will at night. Thus, 4 gold. Give us a PR that isn't taken and plausible?

Sloth, anyone can threaten to self-lynch. I do have minor doubts on you. But if Riley is town, then you both are scum. It's not plausible.


As for the BP thing, damn control F. I searched for bid. If Five bid for BP, then Ird and Moridin had to bid. Add in Mathblade and Blab. Zennith makes a decent 5th.

Unless you or Citrus claim to bid, that MUST be it. As there is no other player capable.

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No. I meant Riley. The missing Gold scenario means someone lied about getting gold or Riley lied about there being missing gold.

I am going to chill out for tonight.

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How are you a bp? Clarify please.

 

Read Jailchat and you'll know exactly what I am

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Ah I see the problem

/m109

Ignore the other claims I made in jailchat, that claim is my true role including everything excluding nothing

 

Congratulations to this game beating out the first Witchhunt as the biggest mafia game on DLP.

Vote Count 3.4
(4 to lynch)

Citrus (2): Titus, Citrus
Moridin (1): Irdiumstern
Irdiumstern (1): Moridin

Abstain (3) blab, Riley Poole, Sloth

 

Ok, let’s start with that universal thing:

Day 1:
Zeigt modkilled.
Night 1: Possum NKed. Fonti gets Possum's 3 gold due to last will.


Day 2:
Fonti (Weatherman - Innocent Child) dayvigged. ??? (prob Scum not Sloth unless gold mechanic), Lucky, Zennith, and I get gold.
Zennith claimed Jailkeeper (confirmed)
Lee claimed slovig (confirmed)
Riley claimed Auditor (pseudoconfirmed)
Ika is lynched.
2 people bid on Watcher. {Sloth and ?. ? gets it. Blab apparently bid after sold.}
Night 2: Rubicon is killed (Gold Gets Assigned)


Day 3: Mathblade is lynched. (Moridin, Maiden, Riley) get gold. Zennith dies. (Neither Citrus NOR Titus get gold - Claim.)
Sloth claims delayed cop (confirmed)
Irdium claims VT (uncomfirmed)
5 bid on BP. {Ird/Blab/Moridin are the probables... Mathblade wouldn't logically bid as she perceived herself a mislynch target. At least 1 scum would bid on this.}


Day 4: Maiden claims no one got BP. Luckylee is lynched. (Claimed 2 or so gold). Maiden dies. Mod says Rolecop goes unsold.

Gonna roll with the Innocent Child thing for now because it makes no sense to me, but I assume it’s one of those mafia things you understand if you’ve played the game enough.

Going off on that…Here’s the game how I see it:

Irdiumstern
For a more detailed look into him, look to Zennith’s #112 and 115, which basically summarizes what I’ve noticed of his more involved play.
On D1, there were a lot of random questions, trying to lead town in circles, and being overall the most active he’s been the entire game. Yet he gave a very flimsy reason to do so when I pointed it out and backed off like he didn’t want to keep dragging attention to himself.
He had that #116 ‘moment’ (won’t call it exactly a slip, but it makes me suspicious) where he suggested I saw Fonti as scum simply because she was tunneling me. Perhaps trying to turn us against each other and egg us on. More on that in #401.
Later whenever he’s confronted by anything (i.e. calling blab lurky), he apologizes and never brings it up again. He lurks a lot more severely and just pops in to give basic vague reads, vote, list his scumread (often without reason) and just generally be a presence. Don’t believe me? Read back.
Oh, and there’s #973:

Attempted to buy the watch. Told he did not get it.
Maiden said 2 people bid for the watch. I was one of them. I did not get it.
Blab said he tried, but he was told it had already been sold. Willing to believe him for now.
The watch went to Irdium. He lied. He had no reason to, he could have just said nothing.
But he lied. Only reason? He’s scum.

IRDIUM IS SCUM.


Moridin
He and Blab are part of my Rubicon-Theory. And he and blab are the ones of the ones I investigated. They both did nothing on their respective Nights. Odds say at least one of them has to be Town. They both can’t be scum. And the possibility of them both being Town is also there.
For the longest time that was my strongest reason for going after him. Going over his posts, he shows confusion at the proper times, when scum wouldn’t, and I can follow a lot of his thinking.
However, a lot of it is repetition; this has been brought up before. It makes me uneasy, but not enough to put him on top.

MORIDIN IS LEAN TOWN.


Blab
After the mess with Proph and Maiden, I believe he’s Town. It’d be very hard if that was staged, and if it was, he has my respect. He’s a dangerous person, and I like him.
Luckylee being scum was the only way I could see him as still scum – him knowing that the vigilante crap was bull and trying to look good by bringing up the BP.
Going by the Watch note above, if Irdium flips Town (unlikely), Blab is scum.

BLAB IS TOWN.


Riley
Riley is Town for the same reason I’m Town. It makes no sense for scum, with their limited numbers, to have two research PR, one of which is significantly weaker than the other. Anything I or Riley could do, Watcher Zeit could do better.
Meanwhile, if Riley and I had worked together with our abilities, we probably could have formed a powerful PR, but I have a hard time picturing how Scum would let that fly. Too late for that now.
Unless of course, Fonti was the roleblocker and riley lied about being blocked, in which case we’re likely screwed. I very much doubt this, and have bigger targets.

RILEY IS TOWN.


Titus & Citrus
One of you is Scum, one of you is Town. No way around it.
Zennith would split the gold between the two, so there’s an interference system going on. I already said that the interference can only be aimed to the recipient (this being why, I believe, Rubicon got nothing from Fontisian, the scum targeted the obvious recipient and got the gold meant for him), as aiming it at the Giver is massively overpowered and other players wouldn’t get the gold.
Therefore, they couldn’t target Zennith, and they couldn’t target both Titus and Citrus.
Meaning one was a recipient already, and targeted the other, and is now lying about not getting anything.
Now, which one? No clue. They both have their moments.
-Citrus could be the scum based on his recent post, his strange reactions and the fact that Riley got roleblocked conveniently around the time it seemed he was about to audit him, potentially showing his lies to the world.
-Titus has been strong Town most of the game, but my paranoia around her never fades. Not to mention how her arguments are weakening as of late and she’s making what seem to be errors she wouldn’t make. She’s flip-flopping a lot in her reads (Riley’s scum. Riley’s town. Citrus is scum! Sloth’s my strongest town read! Sloth is scum!) dramatically lately, and it’s weird as hell – especially since it’s been only 2 pages. She has also yet to address #1532, but she tends to do that when she finds something that doesn’t fit her viewpoint. Additionally, the fact that she wasn’t originally in jail make it seem more likely, unless proph’s choice for the jailed players was entirely random.
Honestly, I’m not sure which it is. All I know is that only one can be Town.

TITUS IS SCUM IF CITRUS FLIPS TOWN.
CITRUS IS SCUM IF TITUS FLIPS TOWN.


CONCLUSION

There are 2 scum left. They are within {Irdium, Blab} and {Titus, Citrus}.

We have two impossible situations:

-The Watch Bid: 2 bid (Sloth and Irdium), and Blab attempted later, only to be told it was too late. One is lying.
If you think it’s me, ask yourself why I would reveal my bid, or why I would lie given my efforts, refer to #1532.
Either Irdium lied about not getting it or Blab lied about being too late. Whichever is lying is scum. Irdium is more likely for reasons stated above.
STRATEGY: Irdium is almost certainly scum. Since we can afford a mislynch, save him for Last.

-The Last Will: Zennith left 2 gold to Titus and Citrus. Both claim not to have gotten it. By logic of the gold interference system, one of them is lying, and therefore scum.
No preference either way.
STRATEGY: One of Citrus or Titus need to go toDay. If one flips Town, Lynch the other next Day..

You wanted my thoughts? These are my thoughts. Retort?

NO VOTE YET: Don't want Hammer, plus want to read feedback.


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Probably won't be around much for the rest of the night. Will reply in the morning. G'luck, all.

 

"It makes no sense for scum, with their limited numbers, to have two research PR"

You're wrong, it completely does make sense

1) Scum abilities directed to spotting PRs and figuring out roles
2) If there's 3 of them they need a lot of abilities to compensate. Messages+Watcher+Dayvig+Auditor sounds like a reasonable scumteam, especially when up against jailkeeper/?weather?/earlyhidingmayor/partialtowndaychat

Riley, I see you there. Go ahead and vote me.

You need to all autolynch Riley come tmrw. Don't fucking bullshit around and not lynch him tmrw, you WILL LYNCH RILEY TMRW.

Now hammer me

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For tmrw consider Titus town, I'm confident enough she is town to say she should NOT be lynched tmrw. Plus scum can't kill her due to her unlimited commisurating (which we could have utilized with my BP ability but I guess not)

 

Are you fucking serious?

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alright, you probably just copied that from Titus.

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@Irdiumstern:
Can you give specifics regarding your watch-bid? the Time, if your bid was considered/processed...
Btw, given that we have basically mass-claimed, the person with the watch should claim.


@Sloth:
How is Riley's claim pseudo-confirmed?
Also, where has it been confirmed that Zennith would split his gold?


@Titus+Citrus:
From jailchat, is it possible that Zennith just spent his last gold N3?

 

No, he said his ability cost 3 gold and started with 7. Received 1 gold.

Thus 8 gold. Two uses (1 success 1 fail) on Titus left him with 2 when he died.

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Also, scum Riley had to claim role blocked or:

A) End up defending someone's gold claim
B) Hard cc of someone's gold amount, thus catch 1 scum in a pair of 2 players

 

Okay, it's too early in the morning for me to follow all of this bidding Titus logic, so let me just unequivocally state that I am indeed a VT and I have not bid on anything this entire game.

 

@Blab, It is impossible Zennith spent his gold. Unless he lied to both of us, Zennith had gold but not enough to jail.

Sloth's reads are jumping all over the place. Compare 1554 to 1526. Mori jumps from second scum to town. Ird, is his first vote but Slot never votes him. Blab is town, but still high on the lynch meter or is he?

Just huh?

Vote:Sloth

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That...shouldn't be possible.

 

Specifics for watch bid:
Bid went in on the 26th of March at 8:30 AM. Confirmation of the bid was at 9:14 AM.
I got the message that I did not get the watch on the 27th at 5:39 PM.

I didn't bid on the bulletproof because I figured that as vanilla town, me getting shot was a decent outcome.

I didn't bid on the rolecop I think it was because Maiden had revealed by that point and had said she tried to give her items to town reads, of which I am not one.