Why did you eliminate Blab + Moridin again?

And "nk" as in no kill? Someone died every night

 

NK can mean either no kill or night kill, depending on context.

Blab and Moridin cannot be possible.

If Riley is town then scum need to have a kill and a roleblock.

Sloth tracked Moridin N2 and he didn't move. Thus Moridin couldn't kill or roleblock. Thus a Blab + Moridin scumteam cannot exist. It would require a physical impossibility.

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What do you think of Blab being on very few of the flipped wagons so far?

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I'd imagine everyone at this point really wanting to lynch Riley at the moment. Scum bussing here makes sense.

The problem here is that this is also the perfect move for a Blab + Citrus scumteam.

Both Riley and Citrus seem to be playing in a manner that's oblivious to these obvious conclusions that can be drawn.

Citrus opening with a Moridin vote based on a Moridin + Blab scumteam seems like nonsense. Why wouldn't Citrus know that?

Then again, why would Riley be more open to a Moridin scum when he should know Moridin is one of the two people to be structurally impossible if scum?

The move that should be consistent with both of their wincons (town or scum) and appearing town is to cross vote each other.

Blab will likely pile on a vote onto Riley.

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I can really see ika Citrus based on ika's comment that "Citrus has the right to rolefish me".

Blab reacted fairly negative to ika's posting style but not to the actual substance of ika's posts.

Riley posted a scumteam way back on day 1 that had 2 correct answers (assuming Riley town) and one wrong. His theory works if we suppose scum were whiteknighting Rubicon.

Moridin, get your ass in here. I need help. I've gotten it to where you are mathematically the least likely scum.

 

Vote Count 3.7
(3 to lynch)

:awesome

Abstain (5) Titus, blab, Riley Poole, Moridin, Citrus

 

Why don't you read the jailchat you're a part of and tell me the possiblity I'm aligned with Ika still exists? Because it shouldn't

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If Moridin + Blab are scum, a Moridin lynch is wonderful, so no problem placing my vote there. He flips mafia, Riley may be practically townfirmed by Moridin's role flip, and then the game is set with a Blab lynch the next day.

 

Citrus, I'm fucking working from what is structurally possible.

Explain Riley town and Blab Moridin scum. Who the fuck roleblocked Riley? If you can't do that, then your plan sucks. Your stubbornness on something literally impossible is why I can't say fuck it and lynch Riley right now.

I see literally ZERO point to voting Moridin right now. If Moridin is a scum, Moridin has a partner that can move as he couldn't kill or roleblock. We're still in Lylo and the proper play is to lynch Riley as he's the only player that can be Moridin's partner.

Structurally explain to me how Blab Moridin can be possible.

 

I'm sorry to ask this, but can you refer me to which post has all the claimed night actions in one place or provide one? I'm going out and won't be able to do it on my phone. I haven't looked at mechanics beyond how much I thought.

You're saying Moridin is confirmed town if Riley is scum and vice versa confirmed? Because Riley requires 2 scum against him, meaning Blab + Moridin.

That means scum is Blab + Riley on a 4man scum team

 

I'll do the summary of relevant night actions here from memory that are confirmed, minus bidding stuff.

N1
Titus Commutes
Zennith jails Titus (Failed)
Scum Kill Possum
Riley Audits Fontisian (Disputed)

D2
Shot of Fontisian
ika's article

N2
Titus is jailed by Zennith
Riley is blocked
Sloth Tracks Blab to nowhere for night 1
Scum kill Rubicon
Moridin visits no one

N3... etc onward
Sloth Tracks Moridian to nowhere for night 2
Scum Nightkills

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Shit forgot Blab visited no one n1

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If you look at N2, when Riley claimed Blocked... you need two people capable of an action.

Supposing Sloth was telling the truth (given his play it is a decent assumption), then two scum movers are required N2.

That means Blab and Citrus are scum OR Riley is scum with himself or one other player.
Moridin can't block or kill.
I can't block or kill.

That leaves Citrus and Blab.

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Moridin, if you can eliminate Citrus and Blab right now, we can vote Riley.

 

Sorry about the absence. Titus, not sure what you mean by eliminating Citrus and Blab, but I'm working on a Riley case right now and the more I look, the more I'm convinced he's our best bet. Give me a little more time and I'll have it up.

The basics, look at how easily he moved off Citrus onto two easy lynch targets (Irdiumstern yesterday, me today). Look at how he refused to post a Citrus case time and again - or rather, how he refused to link to a case he'd supposedly already made (which I still can't find) - read that and tell me it's a town post. Look at how the Citrus case he finally posted is distinctly not the meta case he refers to here. Look at how he's perfectly happy to doubtcast his own read here. There's more, and I'll finish putting it together shortly, but that's some of the major stuff.

 

Moridin, by eliminating Citrus and Blab I mean eliminating them as a scumteam. That's the only scumteam that's possible that doesn't have Riley in it.

I've always felt Riley had a decent chance of being scum.

Do me a favor and look at Citrus Blab since that's the only scumteam that doesn't include you or Riley. Given you want to lynch Riley, I can be pretty sure your town or bussing which works for me at the moment.

 

Ah, I see. Okay, I can do that.

 

If you decide to lynch me, it's game over. I'm too fucking tired of arguing anymore and I just don't give a flying fuck at this point.

I changed from Citrus to Ird because Ird was basically called out as scum and didn't do a damn thing to defend himself. I didn't like that, a Town should have put up more of a fight. The only ones I've ever seen act like that are Town who are present most of the game and Scum who's trying to hide and then acts defeated as soon as a solid accusation hits. Most of the time it's the second, but every once in an unfortunate while it's the first.

As for dropping Citrus, just because it seems like it was quick in thread doesn't mean it was a quick decision. On the whole meta versus what I posted, you seemed insistent on getting a case from me and I provided, you now bitching about that is like crying because you wanted Hershey's Chocolate milk and getting Cadbury's instead. It's a fucking chocolate bar, eat it.

Fuck all of this shit. Lynch me. End the game. Call me a dick. Say I'm being extremely pro-scum. What the fuck ever. This game has gone way to fucking long for my taste and the shitstorm's that have ensued are not helping my interest in this game.

Citrus/Moridin Scum team. Placing it here for the end of game analysis.

Vote: Citrus

See you guys later.

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*Should be "Town who aren't Present most of the game"*

 

Citrus Moridin is impossible Riley. :facepalm

Seriously... think about it. If Citrus did the kill Moridin could not roleblock you. If Citrus roleblocked you, Moridin could not kill.

It would be so much easier to generate townreads if people actually stuck to what was theoretically plausible.

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Going to bed and sleeping on this.

My biggest concern is a Blab Citrus scumteam. They have literally no interaction with each other. Blab avoided being on most major wagons. Citrus has a terrible voting pattern.

Need to sleep. I'm suffering from a lack of confidence but we could be THISCLOSE to winning.

 

Because I feel Riley is more likely to be scum.
Riley solo is much more likely than Citrus solo,
and Riley+Moridin is slightly more likely than Citrus+Moridin.

Also, all of your analysis is still assuming that the same person can't both nightkill and roleblock. I still don't think that's necessarily true.

@Moridin:
Does your role-pm mention "Please note that you may only use one active ability per day/night cycle unless an ability says otherwise."?

 

18 hours left in the day. I'd like to wait for Moridin to answer Blab and Blab to respond accordingly. Let's see if there's a cc set up there or not.

@Riley I've felt like that a few times this game. If you end up town and we lose, I won't give you too much shit for it because it's on both of us. But as of right now I don't know if that's faked or not (it seems pretty authentic to me).

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Whoops hit enter early

Anyways, Titus has shown Moridin is townfirmed as far as I'm concerned, at least for today.

Thus Riley can not have been blocked.

Thus Riley is scum.

Vote: Riley Poole

@Titus there's the cc you wanted earlier. Happy?

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Yeap only way Riley is town is if Titus is scum AND 4man scum team.

Shoulda lynched him days ago.

I'm comfortable leaving this vote and going to bed. Rest of you vote as you're ready

 

Blab: No, it does not. It says that I have no special abilities, that's the only reference to abilities in there.

I can't find anything real one way or another as far as Blab/Citrus goes. So I guess I can't really rule it out. I still find Riley way scummier than either of them, but then I thought the same of Lucky and Irdiumstern as well.

As far as the NK goes, that's a good point. It does seem odd to mention "unless an ability says otherwise" if there were no abilities to refer to that - Last Will does, so that's there, but I feel like NKs would be too. Especially in the case of 3 person scum, since they're already fairly weak in comparison.

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So far we have one vote for Citrus, one for Riley. 3 to lynch.

 

Unvote

Moridin, you say your role card doesn't have that line??

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Glad I checked in before sleeping, waiting on Blab before I post again

 

well, same as mine..., eh, I can't make anything out of that being in Citrus message. The last three posts don't make Riley+Citrus any more likely and if it is Moridin+Citrus you could have backed him up if it was a scumslip.

 

Correct, it does not. The line states my alignment and role name, i.e. Town Vanilla, and then my amount of starting gold. It then says, as above, that I have no special abilities.

 

Blab, why aren't you taking a position on who you think the scum is?

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My analysis seems to be right. One of Citrus/Riley does appear to be scum.

Riley has a tendancy to look scummy but he may not know how to look town.

If Citrus and Riley were both town, I would expect a scum hammer by now.

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Citrus, why did you unvote?

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[vote]Citrus[/vote]

I pray I am right here.

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Vote Citrus

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Unvote[mb]

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Unvote

Tenchars hgryu

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Moridin scum, Citrus town is very unlikely.

I don't want this game on my shoulders but I got no choice.

Based on play alone, Citrus is obvscum.
Based on structure, Riley is scum.
Based on today, Blab is scum.

Moridin help me.

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Riley, if you are still here, please gives your last will.

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Moridin which of the following is least likely?

Blab Citrus
Blab Riley
Riley Citrus?

 

It's Moridin>Riley>Citrus, I already told you.

Also, warning:
Also I've caught something after the exam and have been sick (though probably "only" food-poisoning given that I'm not the only one down). If it gets any worse I need to be replaced (unless lynched/nk'd)