Why don't more wizards, especially the muggleborn, gamble in the wizarding world and make a few million? The ministry is so corrupt and bias against muggles, they probably wouldn't even notice a little levitation on the dice.

Moody could do so much good to the world of poker with his magical eye.


What's always gotten me is Hogwarts. Maybe the other wizarding schools do it differently, but it seems illogical. The only way to take advanced classes is to A) be sorted into Ravenclaw (although if Harry can get an 'O' on his DADA OWL, and 'E's on most other important classes, the exams can't be that hard), B) take more than the required classes (although many advanced students do this already) or C) take NEWTS (but what about the other years leading up to them?) I'm an advanced student, I take college classes in High School and advanced classes when college credit courses aren't offered. My entire school day is packed, no study hall or anything. What do the overachevers at Hogwarts do? This has bothered me with both Hermione and Tom Riddle - maybe if Tom was challenged, he wouldn't have turned out so bad.

Also, can wizards fail a year before they take their OWLS? Can they skip grades? I can imagine how Tom turned bad, he had to sit through boring classes all day watching idiots try to cast spells that he could years ago! Then there was the Mauraders, who became animagus in their school years.

One last bit; I forgot. Maybe that was it.

Oh right, everything else. Shouldn't the library have some kind of magical catlog system, where students say a word and the list of books appear where that word is found? Whould have made 'Flamel' a lot easier to find. Not only that, but why don't the wizards just make a copy of the books they want from the library? Sure, it'd be copyright (if wizards even have that) but what's to prevent them from doing that? If there isn't a copying spell, it can't be that hard to invent, or to transfigure a paper with the information needed on it.

Almost done. The school clubs, where are they? Most schools have hundreds of clubs, and this one should at least have a few. Have we ever heard of any, besides the baics like the DA and the Dueling Club?

Music - can nobody actually play an instrument in the entire wizarding world? Sure, you can charm a piano to play, but magic can't replace human emotion.

That's my muggle take on Hogwarts, and Wizarding Britian in general.

 

err... they have the gobstones club for sure... and just because harry joins none of them due to laziness, and just because none of his friends have played musical instruments, doesn't mean no one does. Case in point: The wierd sisters, Celestia Warbeck or whatever her name is... music exists, and so do clubs.

Sorry if that made no sense, I'm on a caffeine overdose and sleep underdose.

 

It always kind of pissed me off that there was no exercise to speak of--I mean, unless doing magic is physically taxing, why aren't all the witches and wizards obese? Bunch o lazy layabouts...

 

But RustyRed, you forget about Harry's Quittich toned muscles.

 

Haha, and his quidditch-honed reflexes?

 

Why do wizards bother with Muggle stairs? Wouldn't it be easier to use platforms that levitate, or flying carpets to move between floors?

What about moving Magical Society to a different planet? No wait, scratch that, I need sleep.

 

Holy shit! The dark side of the moon! What we take for a barren wasteland is in fact, an illusion--wizard-kind terra-formed it a long time ago. Dude, I want a fic where there's a branch of magical society on the moon. We had a space race--why couldn't they?

 

This is a subject that I have thought on for a year and a half. (Yes, I have that much free time)
If you want a logical magical world you have to tear down JKR's quarter-baked idea and rebuild it, step by step, from the ground up. First off, JKR's world shouldn't even be able to exist, there are far to many inconsistencies in it. Second, with the use of magic most people would become lazy hence the utter disrepair the wizarding world in Britain. Also, we can really make no conclusive guesses on the rest of the world as JKR hardly addresses it. So that area is what ever you make of it. Personally I am of the belief that a wizarding America would be the most advanced despite being possibly the youngest as they are very industrious and the majoriy of magicals in the US would probably be mundane-borns due to the large pop. of the country.
This is a mere fraction of my spiel which I don't have the time right now to give and it would take maybe 800 words to say and that is without tangents.

My idea is that DLP should start a section where we contribute to a new remade version of the magical world based off of what it would be realalisticly.

 

First off, the period goes after the end parenthesis. Secondly, why the fuck did you name yourself 'Dark Lord Aexyon? It makes you sound like a fool fifteen-year-old..

This is one of the few things in your post that I agree with. JKR had the tendency to try to only change the simplest things where any deeper consequences of having magic in a society were disregarded, so, in order to fix that 'lack of logic' in the current wizarding world, we'd need to completely tear it down and then actually use logic to guess what sort of changes would naturally occur.

First off, I have no idea how those two statements were in any way together in any kind of list. Secondly, why would magic make you lazy? That sounds like the mental equal to the inane belief that 'its Technology today in America that is making us lazy,' instead of just admitting that the vast majority of the world is stupid and acknowledging that the only thing technology is doing is exposing that fact to every intellectual who always had the hope that, perhaps, they were wrong about the fact that the vast majority of people are sheep.

Wow, I couldn't even guess that your from America...

What the hell happened to 'magic makes you lazy'. Are "good ol' hard workin'" Americans like you and me immune to laziness because you think America is cooler than Britain?

What, of your post, wasn't a tangent? You lost yourself at 'magic makes people lazy'.

Once some jackass gives a definition to the word 'realalisticly' on Urban Dictionary, I'll get back to you on that one...

 

True very true Oz. Although my Idea is less fanfiction and more a collective of ideas submitted by people on the forum and formalized into a list or some such thing from which people can use as a basis for out of Britain stories about Harry Potter. It would essentially be a evolved version of this thread. It is by no means anything important merely an idea.
To 'The Heir' yes I am American, no I do not hate Britain. it is on my 'Places to Go before you die' list. My post sound like shit because a I had to spit it out onto the screen in 5 minutes as I had other things to do. As for the tangents thing, for me that is not a tangent. If I was in a conversation about this a tangent would be me going onto a small detail and destroying it for half an hour. So no that is not a tangent.
In regards to the 'Magic makes people lazy' thing. This is based off of JKR's wizarding world. There people would summon a fork to themselves rather than getting up and going to grab it from where ever it is. In the context of a 'real world' magical world this would probably not be the case as one would hope that people would be smarter than to use magic for every single little thing.
Your belief that the vast majority of the world is stupid is baseless. People as a whole may resemble sheep for the reason that they want to just live their little lives and that they are followers. Why do you think that there are leaders in the world. People individually however are not sheep or stupid. This is a generalization.
Also, as an end note, whats with the anger over the name of my account. Are you so petty that you have to insult other people to make yourself feel better. I could do the same as you about your name but you don't see me doing that do you.
In the words of other, less polite people.
Go fuck yourself in the ass with a rusty fork while sucking an old donkey's cock, bitch.

 

In the words of Bio: LOL!

 

I'd just like to say Meatzman2 is not Dark_Lord_Aexyon.

At the angry man. You might want to cool down and use that edit button before someone comes and destroys you. The Heir pointed out several clear flaws in your argument and your writing, take that advice and use it.

Back to the thread, I don't understand the whole conjure food argument. You can conjure water and tea which is drinkable, you can permanently transfigure organic to inorganic, at least I'm reasonably certain that's possible.

So you want food? Simple, water to wheat, mill wheat with a big stone to flour. Water to yeast, heck you don't even need that you can have unleavened bread. Transfigure a block of crap into a cow, kill it and cut it up for meat. The food issue seems to be easily circumvented.

As Bio said the main issue seems to be scale, and as a satisfactory one is never established in HP we are left to speculate.

 

I sort of hate the fact that they can conjure food--it makes things too easy for the characters, and too damn hard for the author. Boo, jkr, boo. You take away the need for procuring basic necessities, and what have you got? An economy driven by... frivolous desires? Nobody really needs to work to put food on the table, so why does anyone work? Doesn't make sense at all. Stupid food conjuration.

 

Firstly, according to DH they can't conjure food.

Secondly, even if it was possible to conjure food it wouldn't follow that everyone was capable of doing so, or that it would taste as good, so there is still some, albeit reduced, need for a food industry.

Finally, even without a food industry there's a lot of possible markets in the wizarding economy.

From my story plan:

1.Enchanted objects.
2.Beauty
3.Education
4.Food
5.Potions Ingredients & Potions
6.Banking
7.Construction
8.Health care
9.Magical creatures
11.Real Estate
12.Gold, jewels and other artefacts
13.Books and magazines
14.Protection (e.g. guards, warding)
15.Insurance
16.Legal
17.Sporting events
18.Clothing
19.Transport
20.Entertainment (e.g. drama, dance, music).
21.Public sector

Enchanted items would include Brooms, Quidditch gear, wands, Potions equipment, clothes, cages and items for animals, joke items, stationary items, transport, furniture, astronomy equipment, potions, enchanted jewellery, radios and other music playing equipment, omnioculars, communication devices, enchanted Muggle devices, furniture, cooking stuff, bathroom stuff, sex stuff, dark magic items, cursed objects, charmed objects for certain effects, musical instruments, games (e.g. wizard chess), storage, and more.

 

She actually said this in an interview. She said there are about 1000 students in Hogwarts, and that she realized that she really messed up Harry's year numbers wise. I was surprised since she admitted to making a mistake. I don't know so much about your muggle world idea. I don't know about you, but if I was magical, I wouldn't give a shit about ever going back into the muggle world again what with all of the cool things in the magical world. According to JKR, there is something much better than the internet that the magical population has, and I figure if from what little we actually see of the magical world is any indication to go by then there should be some really amazing things out there.

On another note, I was in a book store the other day, and I saw a book similar to the idea of this thread. It had Socrates wondering through the wizarding world questioning everything the wizards did as being completely illogical. I didn't pick it up because I don't like a lot of logic in my magic (the two don't mix), but it looked like a funny idea. My guess is that it was written in the fashion of Plato.

 

Taure, you forgot to throw in the sex trade - think of the possibilities with magic!

 

Certainly they can't conjure food directly, but they can permanently transfigure can they not, which essentially means they are their own matter converters .

I haven't read the relevant bit of DH with Gant's (I think that was his name) Laws of Transfiguration but if you can transfigure other things in order to easily make food than it would seem to me to eliminate vast swathes of the need to make or supply your own food. With the inclusion of House Elves into the mix, some wizards don't even need to bother for the most part with food at all. Essentially this means that any agricultural expenditure and associated service industries (fertiliser, seeds, cooking programs/books, restaurants) would all be much diminished.

However, what must not be put aside would be the requirement for potions ingredients, which are seemingly not conjurable and in my mind therefore would be enormous. This aspect is very underplayed in HP canon and fandom just because of the great hate for Snape (at least in most of the stuff I can bring myself to read), potions should and would be a very important aspect of trade. JKR has this repeated subcurrent that the wizarding world is lazy, the potions market and its necessary subsidiaries would then be huge. This in turn would make potions masters very valuable even if they are cunts of the highest order. If someone uses this as an excuse to write some Severitus would an admin please delete this post...

This leads onto the wizarding economy in general. People speculate that Diagon Alley would be insufficient to provide for the needs of the wizarding population but the wizarding economy seems to be very small and as such does not require all that many products and services. The problems of scale erupt once again.

I am prepared to post a tl;dr section about the global muggle economy and it's key industries versus a potential wizarding economy but because of the sheer speculation involved in my guesstimates about wizards and the length of the post I won't put it up here.