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Can we please talk about the hypocrisy of some people in this Forum?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Deo Gryffin, Dec 6, 2017.

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  1. Deo Gryffin

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    People are being harsher on FF than the real books. They critisize them on having bad characters, plot holes, bad romances, cliches and all the while the books are even worse than the fanfics in that aspect. Why?
    I hate how people just say "x-fanfic has these cliches". I've seen whole post and comments focusing on that. If the cliches are there please show me how they harm the story. Good writers can write around that. Cliches are not inherently bad. Frankly if all you comment on a story is what cliches it is using then you are either bad at doing critique or the story is really good. Focus on the writing, because using a cliche is a meaningless phrase when it comes to a well written story.
    There isn't a character with an actually good character arc in the whole book series. Normally a character is given a flaw for him to overcome, to change, to be more relatable. Harry? No, who needs that shit when you can just have a bad childhood that leaves you with no mental trauma like it would in the real world and can garner sympathy to last the whole series. The only people who overcome a flaw of theirs are Ron and Neville. A minor character and Ron. Fuck Ron

    Also which romance in the HP series is well written? Serious question.

    And I can write a 1000 essay just on the 2 most annoying plotholes of the franchise. But just for the shits and giggles:
    First year: Why would the philosopher's stone, which has existed for centuries be under such a threat now when Voldemort is, by all intents and purposes, a ghost, instead of when he was alive. You'd think if he was so interested in immortality he would have gone after it. And if he did why not just do the same now as they did during the war? Why did Dumbledore fly with a broom instead of apparearting to London(tho I may be wrong i don't remember it that well). Why didn't Quirell use whatever he used against the troll on Fluffy? Maybe a killing curse? Why use a simple lock on the door to fluffy instead of one of those oh, so handy age lines that would be set for 100 year olds+ can only enter? Do you really want me to continue?




    btw quick note: Harry killed someone when he was eleven. Just think about that for a second. Edit: wouldn't that have made him able to see thestrals?




    Second year: INDOOR PLUMBING TO REACH THE CHAMBER IS 900 YRS TOO EARLY




    The absolute whole forth year was one gigantic plot hole. Couldn't Crouch give Harry the portkey at any point in time? Even if there where wards couldn't he have done it during Hogsmeade weekend?




    Absolutely everything that has anything to do with wands switching owners. That was by all intents and purposes a clear cop-out.




    Also Sirius' mirror: Didn't Harry break into Umbrige's office to talk to Sirius? Couldn't Sirius have told him to talk to hm when he wants through the mirror?




    Time-Turners.




    The wards around the Dursleys are badly explained




    I think you get the goddamn idea so i'm gonna cut this short with a: a one year old boy stood in a house that was in ruins, flew over half of the uk.During the first chapter of book 1 you see Dursley going to his place of business and noticing wizard celebrating Voldemort "Death" all day. Owls, cape peoples, shouting stars... He even overheard the name Potter at one point. Yet later during the night Hagrid bring the baby Harry to Dumbledore directly from Godric Hollow. So if the Wizarding world know of Voldie downfall for most of the day how come the first adult they send to retrieve the miracle kid was sent 15 to 20 hours later! And the way it written left no doubt that Hagrid just extracted the kid he did not take him to I don't know the magical hospital to have that scar check. And it not like Hagrid is too dumb to make that kind of judgement call either. The one time somebody got seriously cursed around him he pick up the girl and immediately bring her to the nearest healer. So J.K had an out and could have said he both extracted the kid form the house and bough him from the Hospital, Hogwart or even the Ministry to the Dursley later that day. But she did not took it. The other plot hole is that when Harry visit the house in Deathly Hallows it is stated to be partially burn down. So they left a one year old baby in a blown up, burn up house for 15 to 20 hours! This bring another question is Harry Potter some sort of super wizard ghost?
     
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  2. Zombie

    Zombie John Waynes Teeth Prestige DLP Supporter

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    You must not have ever learned how to post in your time here either. I'd consider that first. Your statements are meant to incite an argument to further vindicate yourself. You deleted your own posts by overwriting it and continue to add edits. Learn how to do that first before you start attacking community standards.

    You're just coming off as a blathering cunt bag and the only people that are going to pay you attention in that case are going to be the mods, and not in a good way.

    In response to some of your earlier arguments that you deleted, your primary examples are that people are bitching that fanfiction is terrible and holding up the books as the comparison.

    DLP likes good fanfiction, meaning that its well written, and not by some pre-teen smashing their face into the keyboard. So when they critique characters as being bad, it means that they didn't even improve upon the character, whether it be in the book or otherwise.

    People post here looking for improvement on their stories. We review those stories and give honest feedback as it pertains to their story and the source material.

    If a character's voice doesn't match that of canon, and it doesn't appear that you've expanded on that character, or made them an approximation of what's in canon, then they're not going to get glowing feedback on their character.


    Edit: At this point, reading your edits, SYED can form a better argument than you can.

    Unless you have something more to contribute than those 2 words, I'd suggest you fuck off to whatever corner you hang out in. You didn't do anything here other than try to increase your post count. You know nothing about this community, and you've contributed exactly fucking nothing in every post you've made.
     
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  3. Moukaboy

    Moukaboy Fourth Year

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    ah Drama , fun times .
     
  4. Deo Gryffin

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    No, I do not delete and overwrite it. During the posting occurred an error so it posted an older version of them and had lost nearly half the thing I have written and instead of going through the headache of bringing back what I lost, I just decided to start anew.

    Call me a cunt all I want, doesn't make a difference to whether I am right or not.

    The idea of the post is that I believe people have way too high standards for the fanfic especially when the book franchise they claim to love has the same problem.

    Also towards the first thing, I never post here. Most of the time when I visit I'm not even logged in. Most I've done from this account is that one week when I was bored I started insulting and annoying a mod and got banned for like a moth or so. Honestly that's why I'm even posting this. I'm bored
     
  5. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander Prestige DLP Supporter

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    If we prefer higher standards that's our personal choice, nobody is telling you not to read shit. As for your arguments against canon, they've all been heard before a thousand times over. We can still love a world where the source material is technically flawed.

    Searching for higher standards in our casual reading doesn't even begin to constitute hypocrisy.

    Regardless, you've admitted to essentially using your account to troll when you're bored. Next time, just go on Pornhub or some shit as we've seen the arguments you've put forth done better dozens of times before.

    You're not some special, intelligent snowflake who is rising our ire. You're... pointless and after you've been banned nobody will remember either you, or this post.
     
  6. Deo Gryffin

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    Do you really think I give a fuck about post count? I've been a member for and year and a half I've had more than enough time toshitpost my post count to a number bigger than 5, that's for sure. C'mon man think. And, yes, I'm not part of the community , never claimed I am. But I saw something that annoyed me and decided to point it out. Whether you agree or not is your problem.
     
  7. Oz

    Oz Heir to Hogwarts Moderator DLP Supporter

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    We all thank you for your brevity.

    But today's the day that changes everything. The ball is rolling. The nobility will fall. Viva la revolución!

    "I'm not mad, I'm actually laughing, this is totally funny to me, you're the one that's mad. - Deo Gryffin" - Michael Scott

    Wait, I thought we started up there^?

    This is called having a sense of taste. Typically this develops in people in childhood, and constantly evolves and is refined as people are exposed to new pieces of culture, whether that be literature, music, art, raunchy HBO originals, poetry etc. They gather enough exposure to the works of a medium to recognise recurring themes, talented or clichéd execution, common failings etc.

    One day soon you may evolve one.

    This is an accurate description of "A Cadmean Victory."

    Oh?

    I wait with bated breath.

    An astute rebuttal. Why adhere to Canon at all? Why not make Harry a Pigwolf, who every full moon is overcome with the insatiable desire to go digging for truffles in the Forbidden Forest. But wait—it's not a forest! It's actually Hagrid's anus. Hagrid isn't a half Giant, he's a GIGA GIANT! A Giant as big as one billion Giants!

    "And if an author makes a change to canon which makes the setting objectively worse, who are YOU to say you don't enjoy or like that?! The author has a VISION!"

    cliché
    ˈkliːʃeɪ/
    noun
    noun: cliché; plural noun: clichés; noun: cliche; plural noun: cliches
    1
    .
    a phrase or opinion that is overused and betrays a lack of original thought.
    "that old cliché ‘a woman's place is in the home’"
    synonyms: platitude, hackneyed phrase, commonplace, banality, truism, trite phrase, banal phrase, overworked phrase, stock phrase, bromide;

    To counter this I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to read a fucking Diagon Alley scene where he buys a fucking magical trunk and meets with fucking Griphook and gets access to the Black, Potter, Peverell, Slytherin, and Willy Wonka vaults on his 16th birthday because he's reached the age of majority, and he picks up a fucking Occlumency tome and learns the whole fucking art in a few fucking days all because Snape was secretly plotting with Dumbles to let Voldemort kill him so they could steal his fucking fortunes.

    It gets tiring.

    Only 99% of the time. Fair point, well made.

    If you can't pick up whether someone's opinion of the story is positive or negative given the context of the rest of the review, and the n/5 star rating, you are beyond help. It's the difference between, "A Cadman Victory is a cliché-ridden pile of turds you shouldn't waste your time with, 1/5", and "It Could Only Happen to Harry takes many of the clichés found in most smut fics and gives them a raucously funny twist, 4/5."

    (HoosYourDaddy pls update ;_; )

    haha i totally dont have the wikipedia page for The Seven Basic Plots open right in front of me honest guys xd

    And you're conflating clichés with cultural archetypes (hint: this is dumb).

    Lol. A Cadmean Victory is definitely on par with the world building and story-telling of LOTR. /s

    Do you ignore the warning labels on cleaning supplies too? They're just labels, the important thing is the delicious sterility inside.

    Or it's not worth our time.

    And here are the garbage closing remarks. If you were half as clued into the culture at DLP you'd know that the members here are very well aware of the short-comings of the books and have discussed them at length.

    EDIT: The OP is now completely different to the post I replied to, but I'm sure it's still meaningless drivel. -_-
     
  8. Zombie

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    You really suck at this whole posting thing.. Pay attention to the names .
     
  9. Deo Gryffin

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    Hey look my old version of this post

    I like your sense of humor.
    Not trying to change anything. Just shitposting(for the most part).

    Yes, something, I've acknowledged in the not deleted before the bug full version of the thread. The thing tiring is not gonna be enough of a nuisance in an actually well written story so focusing on those cliches when reviewing a story and not the writing as I've seen time and time again, I believe is a bad way to critique a story.

    I'm not conflicting them, I'm using them to illustrate a point.
    Never did I mention Cadmean victory has anything to do with this. I used Lotr to illustrate a whole different point.
    Yes, but I was talking at post and comments that say ONLY the cliches. And again I used Cadmean victory as a one of the reasons on why I wrote the original post and in it I had acknowledged that Taure did a really good job illustrating it's negatives. It had nothing to do with this sentence. I did not make the post to the defend "such a good fanfic that no one likes, cuz they are stupid", but to address how people gave as justification for their opinion in comments of some threads individual problems that by themselves do not make a story bad and not mention those that actually do.


    As I said in a comment above half of it was deleted by a bug, I had just as much but it got deleted
     
  10. Jarizok

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    Man, Oz, you’ve inspired me.

    I’m now definately writing about how a drunk Dumbledore takes a muggle on drugs into Gringots for the competition.

    That muggle later goes on to write Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, bestselling children novel of all time.
     
  11. Anarchy

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    Something being cliche is not the opposite of being original, nor is an idea being "original" a synonym for the idea being good. Like, instead of Harry going to Diagon Alley, buying a custom wand with the frozen breath of a dementor and discovering that Dumbledore is stealing from his multiple accounts (some of which he didn't even know he had), you can really just have Harry go to Diagon and buy his wand after getting his money from Gringotts. Not a big deal, why waste words on it?
     
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    And they shouldn't? As far as I'm concerned, the book is superior by the virtue of being the original, rather than the altered copy. After all, without the source material there is no fanfiction.
     
  13. Moukaboy

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    Thanks but no thanks

    I don't know what a post count is nor do i care , i'm assuming it's meaningless very much like internet points
    I'm sure as hell not the only one who posts a few words and doesn't post nothing of substance in some of their comments , i've seen a lot of older members and new ones alike .
    Edit : hell just by looking at your post history for a min some of your posts add nothing to the threads , just saying
    I know it's fun being the edgy dude who insults everyone so i don't blame you :)
     
  14. Xiph0

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    This is a troll whose made a number of accounts over the years to try and shit stir since his initial ban; every now and then one of his accounts slips through. Banned and locked.
     
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