What can I say? I'll say that this isn't just the best Avengers movie and the only reason why it's officially a Cap movie is because Chris Evans had three Cap movies in his contract. It's also the best Marvel film to date and topping it will be tough. Infinity War has its work cut out. It's one of the best comic book movies ever, that's for sure. And I know I'm totally fanboying here, but for me, it's the best comic book film period. Move over Iron Mans and Dark Knights, there's a new king in town.

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Now some spoilers. I found the overall plot good- no scratch that. It's great. Pretty much everything about CW is great.

Action is top-notch. Widow was an absolute badass. Black Panther was a badass. Iron Man, Hawkeye, Rhodes, Cap, Barnes - badass. Spidey, Ant-Man - funny and badass. Lots of good humor all around, like Tony's "who are you?" to Scott.

One tiny issue I had was Widow shrugging off a grenade in a confined space, but whatever, badass.

Could someone knowledgeable tell me if Panther's suit was Wakanda's own tech, or did Tony give it to him? Also, is T'Challa on the super soldier serum? At first I thought it was just the suit, but then when Bucky was escaping he was jumping all over the place like it's nothing and holding his own against Barnes without the suit.

10/10

 

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Well, we won't know for certain until Panther's own film, unless we get word of god. I think it's safe to assume the suit was Wakandan tech though; it's always been a highly advanced place in the comics, more so in many ways than the West (I believe there was a controversial issue where it was revealed they'd cured cancer and then not shared the cure for...reasons).

As far as his abilities go, again, pending further info in his film/WoG, but in the comics they're a combination of rigourous training and magic herbs that grant him a connection to the Wakandan Panther God. I'd put good money on them downplaying that aspect for the MCU, and making it more about a Wakandan version of the serum, but you never know - we've got Doctor Strange coming up, after all.

I'm not an expert at all, mind, so I'm happy to defer to someone more knowledgeable.

 

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Just remembered one thing. In Iron Man 3 Tony managed to stabilize Pepper's Extremis. Doesn't he have it somewhere? Couldn't that be used to cure Rhodes? Or are we just supposed to forget about Extremis?

 

Well, there was definitely a piece of Pepper story missing so maybe Extremis is part of that.

 

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I like you Scott, but asking if Tony made T'Challa's suit is just hitting all the rage buttons on my keyboard.

To enlighten you, no. T'Challa in the comics (and presumably the films) largely produces his own tech, though occasionally consulting with various peers like Mr. Fantastic. The suit is Wakandan-made, and as for a super-soldier serum I can't comment on the MCU but in the comics it was originally derived from an heart-shaped herb privately cultivated by the royal bloodline of Wakanda, though events involving T'Challa's death and return at one point saw it replaced by the more mystical "King of the Dead" powers (basically the same as a super soldier serum but also the ability to raise and control the dead).

 

Eh, I don't read comic books. Um, sorry?

I actually googled before I asked, but MCU has been known to alter big things to fit into the movies (like Ultron's origins), so I figured maybe there was someone MCU-savvy on DLP.

I am probably definitely seeing the movie again this week possibly for sure but yes.

 

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I think my favourite moment was Sam and Bucky's faces after Steve kissed Sharon.

Seconding the Beetle road trip idea.

 

Eh, it's not your fault as much as it is Whedon's and the rest. Panther gave Cap his circular shield, Panther built the Quinjets and Panther was the one who took Klaw's arm in the comics. There's just been a string on omissions or transferals that haven't exactly been the most pleasing to us Panther fans in the MCU.

 

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I think at the end of IM3 Tony say he fixed Extremis in a 'haze' of engineering that even he doesn't remember.

 

He said that he nearly fixed it 20 years ago when he was drunk/hungover, so he should have it fixed in no time.

Loved the movie, though had a huge headscratcher. While Spiderman was great (apart from the Star Wars movie reference, he's Peter Parker, he should know the names of the AT-ATs down to the serial number; although I guess the majority of the audience wouldn't), why the hell was he brought in? I get the need for more people on his side, but Peter is clearly a 15-year old kid in high school, and Tony brings him in to fight Bucky, a guy with a serious kill count? What the shit.

Me and my friend kept giggling at the size of the location titles.
'Gee, I wonder where this is occurring.'
BERLIN
'Thank you movie, that was very helpful'

 

Looking back on it, he doesn't say he fixed it (or the 'haze' thing, don't know where I got that from), he just says he 'fixed' Pepper. Which could well mean he removed the Extremis from her system, not that he managed to create a safe version of it.

 

I thought the operation to remove the shrapnel was possible because of the stabilized Extremis, for some reason. If that's not it, then not having the operation earlier is just wtf because it's not like Tony can't afford to get the best surgeons in the world.

 

I think it was implied that there was some kind of psychological hangup over keeping the shrapnel in since it gave him a reason to keep the arc reactor in his chest, which was tied to him being Iron Man. But yeah, that's kind of stupid, especially with the events of IM2.

Though there were probably issues with doctors' availability...

 

Saw it on Saturday. Had a great time, enjoyed it thoroughly, though I also found myself laughing at the location superscripts.

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Folks have pointed out a few plotholes, but most of them - especially the time lapse in the trip to Siberia - can be papered over. The one that got me was Zemo claimed to have deciphered all those encrypted Hydra files that Widow released, which is what got him moving on the train to revenge-ville; are we seriously supposed to believe that Tony didn't? The guy lives and breathes information, absorbs it like a sponge, and loves puzzles and challenges, not to mention is obsessed with security and proper use of power. How the crap did he not go digging through those files and come to the conclusion that Zemo did?

Other than that, awesome. Didn't really feel like making out with Sharon was earned, not completely, but Sam and Bucky made that scene worth it.

Fights - especially the airport - were spectacular, Ant-man (GIANT-MAN)and Spider-Man stole the freaking show, and it was pretty great seeing Vision and Wanda having a couple moments.

Overall, there was a lot going on, but I never felt lost. Really learning to trust the Russos.

 

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Maybe his decryption algorithm was less efficient than Zemo's and he simply hadn't finished decoding it yet? Unlikely. But possible.

 

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You could argue that his interest is in working out things that other people haven't, and information available to anyone, even if encrypted, might not hold the same appeal. Alternatively, and I think a bit more likely, he'd be going through the files with an eye for information that would hurt Hydra, whereas Zemo would be going through looking for something to hurt the Avengers. Perhaps the information in the files didn't actually say that the Starks were being targeted, and so might have slipped by Tony's eyes (or it just spoke of a male target). It's a bit of a flimsy handwave, but...

 

Plus his attention was on other things as well, not focused purely upon it as his sole mission in life.

 

Yep, he was building

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a 661 mln dollar techno-pensive.

 

Saw it today. Loved it. Will probably go see it again just because I loved it so much.

The thing that's most impressive IMO is how much they made me want to see almost every one of the characters again.

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I mean, really. Every single one. Cap and Iron Man of course, just to see what happens next. There will literally never be a better time for a Black Widow movie then right now (seriously. Where'd she go after the last talk with Stark?). Winter Soldier came off great, and I can only guess he's going to be in Black Panther. Speaking of, I haven't seen much Black Panther before. Count me in.

Falcon, Rodey, Wanda, Vision, and Hawkeye were all great, but I thought more was needed. Especially for Hawkeye, who keeps getting the short end of the stick IMO. I'm honestly not sure how they could've fit more of them in though without bogging down the movie, but I wish they could've found a way.

On a similar note, I was not expecting one of my big thoughts after this to be "Goddamnit! I have to wait two years for another Ant-Man movie! The hell!" But it is.

Spidey was good. Was worried before, not so much now.

And Zemo. God I loved Zemo. Great villain, who doesn't lose anything for not actually fighting the heroes directly. I'm so glad he survived. We need more villains that aren't Loki and I wouldn't mind at all if Zemo stuck around. Maybe he decides to kill all costumed heroes now. Maybe his plans don't work out to well and he puts on a purple hood. Maybe he succeeds and we get a motherfucking THUNDERBOLTS MOVIE.

So yeah. All I can do is ramble about the characters right now, but I loved it all. Story, pacing, humor, whole thing. I want to go see it again right now.

So in short, I would highly recommend everyone on the fence to go see it. Holy fuck go see it.