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Castle

Discussion in 'Movies, Music and TV shows' started by Illution, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. Hero of Stupidity

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    I know, but at least he could have waited a day... still back to the question: I agree, wtf?
     
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    I agree with Innomine, but just in case you haven't learned your lesson HoS there are spoilers in my post ;)

    Castle stuck his hand pretty far down the mouth and had to reach around a bit to find whatever it was that opened the door. I don't know about you but I don't typically go sticking my entire arm into pieces of art at the local monastery. It's not that hard to believe no one discovered the way to open the door.

    That said, there was windows in that room. Did no one ever see the windows leading into a room they'd never seen and wonder about it? Plus why didn't Beckett just hold her phone up to the window straight away and get reception?

    So yes, there were some inconsistencies but overall I really liked the episode. I fucking despise Pi and he's dragging Alexis down with him but most of the episode was pretty entertaining if unrealistic. I've never really watched Castle for it's realism though so I'm pretty ok with that.
     
  3. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

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    God Alexis is such a fucking bitch. She ACCEPTS Beckett? She knew Beckett for 4 or 5 years before Castle got together with her, and then they were together for nearly a year before Castle proposed. It is not unreasonable in the least for them to get married after 6 years of knowing each other and seeing each other all the time.

    She, on the other hand, threw Pi in Castle's fucking face the moment she came back from Costa Rica. She didn't warn him that she was bringing a smelly hippie back nor that he would be living with them. I don't know any parent who would even consider letting their daughter's dirty boyfriend live with them when the daughter is only 19 years old.

    1) She didn't ask for Pi to move in, she just expected Castle to be OK with it. Not only did he move in, he was rude about it. He pushed his food choices down Castle's throat and was not a very clean person in general.

    2) She didn't ask to move in with Pi, she just expected Castle to be OK with it. Now, she's 19 and an adult, true, but Castle probably pays for her education. He probably pays for a lot of her bills. And he DID pay for her amazing private school education up till that point. I'm assuming he paid for her trip to Costa Rica. She can't be a full time student at an expensive fucking Ivy League school and not live in complete and utter squalor. Her apartment was huge. This is NYC, even if the building was shitty, I'm going to assume that costs a buttload to rent. Her acting like a self-righteous bitch when Castle is paying for everything really pisses me off.

    3) When Castle is understandably upset, she gets fucking offended and then refuses to talk with him even after he apologizes (which he shouldn't have even had to do).

    Comparing Beckett and Pi is just fucking retarded. I am really sad that Alexis is just going to be seen as the one in the right, even though she's pretty much completely wrong about everything.
     
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    I don't know. I feel like this is a long time coming. Alexis has been borderline Mary Sue for a while, so her acting like a spoiled teen make her feel real. At least, that's the way I see it. I'm gona wait and see who the writers are going to write as in the right/wrong.
     
  5. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

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    But that's the thing, from what I can see, everyone except Castle is OK with Pi and with Alexis living with him. Both Beckett and his mother think that he's overreacting and that everyhing is fine. Alexis' latest behavior is not being a spoiled brat, it's just a logical extension of the bullshit that's been festering in Castle's life the moment Pi walked through the door.
     
  6. Gengar

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    Omfg, Sree, I came to this thread to rant and you took the words right out of my fucking mouth!

    Every point you made is exactly the ones I was going to bring up in my own rant too!

    To reiterate on your points though, I've got no problem with Alexis perse, if anything, she's super in-character. I've got a spoilt little sister myself, whose had everything handed to her on a silver platter since she was an infant; Alexis personality and character mirrors her in many ways. I don't have a problem with Alexis being the way she is and acting like a bitch, it's believable to me, and even in character given the series so far.

    It's fucking Martha and Beckett agreeing with everything Alexis does, assuring Castle it's just a phase and undermining every bit of parenting he tries to do that really, really pisses me off.

    This didn't just start with Pi either, it's been this way for the entire series. I still remember the 'arc' where Alexis posted her schedule on the net in video format or some such, and she got kidnapped. If I remember correctly, Castle was vilified for blowing up at her for that also.

    Martha throwing his parenting back in his face by referencing his youth (a troubled one, if the evidence is to be believed, with a single mother who, while she no doubt loved him, was probably borderline negligent if her current behaviour towards her grandchild is anything to go by) and how much he screwed up as a kid doesn't help matters at all.

    This show's strong point, for me, has always been its characters and their relationships with each other. Castle with the police peeps is gold, Castle with his family? The shit almost ruins the show.
     
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    Without the captain they are really missing the old archetype mascline fatherly figure. It's been screwing with the balance.
     
  8. Gengar

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    The new captain almost tries to be patronly and matronly at the same time, weirdly, while insisting on being referred to as sir.

    Is that an American thing? Is it an insult to be referred to as ma'am? When did that happen?
     
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    So I just thought Alexis was a massive bitch before but now she's become retarded on top of everything else. Going into a drunken murder suspect with a bad tempers home on her own? I mean for fucks sake, there's dumb and then there's just breathtaking stupidity. I think I could have stomached it all in the end though if Castle hadn't said at the end that he was wrong and he deserved it. No the fuck he was not and no he did not, Alexis acted like an ungrateful, arrogant, holier than though bitch non stop for the last three episodes. Not only did he not do anything wrong, he would have been perfectly justified back handing her through a wall. The only thing that redeemed this episode for me was the performance of the lady who plays Ava on Justified and The Castle/Beckett moments.

    On a side note, the Justified folks are branching out a lot these days. First Walton Goggins (Boyd Crowder) playing a tranny hooker multiple times on Sons of Anarchy and now Ava on Castle.
     
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    Now you took away my will to watch the episode...
     
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    Honestly I can't feel bad about that, the base of all of these episodes are really good but Alexis has become such an unbelievable bitch I feel I have to warn people.
     
  12. Hero of Stupidity

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    It's really sad, because when she began working at the police station I thought this will be awesome but then she became this typical bitchy entitled girl... I had such high hopes...
     
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    No it's not even that, it's her new boyfriend Pi. The nanosecond he entered the show she turned into a spoiled, entitled, arrogant little bitch. I'm currently pinning my hopes on her realizing he's a worthless smelly hippy, dumping his parasite ass and getting herself back to non bitch mode. My highest possible hope is everyone realizing Castle was 100% right from the word go about Alexis and apologizing for criticizing him but I know that will never happen so Im improvising.
     
  14. Hero of Stupidity

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    As was mentioned above, she turned bitch a long time ago. Around the time she was kidnapped...
     
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    I haven't really had the will to watch castle this season, and every time I read this thread I want to watch it even less.

    I'll prob it pick it up later down the track, I'll keep track of this thread, and hopefully it gets better.
     
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    I can completely understand that, Im a massive fan of Nathan Fillion though so I'll watch this until the end. Also like I said the base plots honestly are fun, it's just that lately Alexis has become such an unbelievable bitch getting through her scenes are honestly painful. Sree explained better than I ever could a few posts back.

    @HoS: You're probably dead right but scary as fuck dead inside Castle made up for that by orders of magnitude so Im completely fine with those episodes.
     
  17. Gengar

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    You're not wrong. I try to ignore Alexis and Martha as well as Beckett's advice as much as possible.

    Watch it for the funny moments between castle and others.
     
  18. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

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    Yup, just what I expected, everything peachy between Castle and Alexis because Castle said he was wrong and Alexis was right.

    Fucking bitch.

    I was almost ready to yell at my computer screen when Alexis comes marching in, demands Castle's help, then gives him the cold shoulder for the first part.

    "How's Pi?"

    "Fuck you, this is about the case."

    "Oh you're right, sweetie, let's get back to that."
     
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    I cared way more about the Da Vinci rip off then this episode.

    My question: what the hell happened to the Ryan subplot with his own wife? Or the Esposito/Laney interactions? I'd rather see Espo hit on and get rejected by Laney over and over before I watch more "Alexis is just another woman in Castle's life who's always right," shit. He already gets it from his mother and sometime from Beckett, he really doesn't need another one added to that. I really really hope Alexis gets kidnapped again or something.
     
  20. LittleChicago

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    ... Maybe Castle's a masochist. I mean, he surrounds himself with redheads, soulless monsters all, willingly, and they are the only ones who tell him he's wrong - even when he's right.

    Now, granted, redheads are fucking hot, but I digress.

    He's never once had the gumption to look at any of them and say, "You're important to me, so yeah, from time to time, I'm going to get fucking worried and over-react a little! I'm human, just like you self-righteous ginger bitches, and I will make bad decisions, but it's only because I love you!"

    ... Which he would be far more than justified in saying to Alexis, his mother, or Kate at this point. He's a pleaser - all he ever tries to do is help out the people he cares about - and others, if given the chance - and all they ever do is shit on him for being just like them - human.

    And he fucking takes it and comes back for more.

    I get it, his character is supposed to be the epitome of the man-child, and as such, he's not supposed to be right, it's supposed to be funny.

    The problem is he's written as too smart, observant and capable to put up with half the shit he takes from people, who, for whatever reason, can't seem to tie their fucking shoes if he isn't there to point out the details they are missing (a point hammered home repeatedly last episode).

    And every time he's told off, or put in his place, or shot down, he just accepts that he was wrong and the ones telling him this - the three most important people in his life, usually - were right, even when they have behaved no better than he did.

    Okay, maybe he's not a masochist, maybe he's just whipped...

    Bottom line is, I'm beginning to understand why Alexis and his mother are virtually absent from half the episodes every season. There's no way to write them consistently and keep his relationship with them believable if we saw them all the time. At least Beckett can occasionally admit she was wrong.