The grammer sucked.

It was a poorly written Harry/Fem!Blaise

Harry gets Uber!Powerful in like 3 months.

And the Dumbles-gone-Crazy part lasted 3 paragraphs.

 

Heh, Amerision seems to harbor some major hate for that fic.

Anyways, So far Yarrgh's reason for him snapping and nonjon's portrayal of the public/Order reaction has sat the best with me. In my opinion they seem to be the most realistic pair. Though old age, as ip82 stated, is fairly reasonable also.

Now under the same premise...

• What could possibly cause Dumbledore to seek Voldemort's aid.
• What could cause Voldemort to do the same.

 

Well, that must be some sort of common enemy, which could be almost anything - from alien invasion to Harry turning ultra-dark (Harry's Madness).

 

The only way I could see them joining up (and not just approaching the other, but both agreeing to join forces) would be some non-wizard threat against the majority of wizards (muggles, demons, etc)

 

Maybe they would join up if there was some threat to the total destruction of wizard-kind. The things for that could be WW3, alien invasion, muggle discovery, nature going totally apeshit on them, etc.

 

Just about anything big enough could do it. Demons, muggles, destruction of the planet, destruction of magic, alien invasion, etc...

Dumbles and Voldie are the two most powerful wizards on the planet. Theoretically. (/me has doubts about the brit-centricity of the magical world). But anything on a large enough scale requiring them to work together could do it.

I can see Dumbledore doing it, but I'm not so sure Voldemort would seek Dumbledore's aid, simply because it would be a sign of his own weakness or fallibility. Frankly, I'd think it would take some cunning ruthless plan that faked asking for Dumbledore's help rather than actually needing/doing it.

 

Dumbles going bonkers and killing people left right and center. I don't think he has it in him to kill without discrimination. He's just too old, and experienced to just snap. I suppose if senility set in and someone stole his Lemon Drops...

Dumbles and Voldie will only join forces in..... (Drum roll) HOLY MATRIMONY!!! (Drum runs over innocent skunk).

Anyway... The two joining forces... Maybe but not likely. Even then it won't be a joining of forces as much as they work together. They will fight together but most likely turn on each other subtly. Like holding back till the other becomes weaker etc.

 

About Dumbledore and Voldemort working together, if it was like in X Men I think they would.
Voldemort's desire is to live forever, not to be killed by scared muggles.

Even an AK would have no effect on an nuclear bomb.

If all the wizarding world was threatened by nukes I think they'd work together.
After all Voldemort is a Slytherin, not someone who'd sacrifice himself for the greater bad.

Litha

 

Lemon drops? Pffft. His love of lemon drops has been blown way out of proportion in fanon. Despite fanfiction's displays, he doesn't offer them EVERY time he meets somebody.

If you really want to piss off the ol' bumblebee, burn all of his socks. That's what he desired more than anything else, at least according to the first book and the mirror of Erised scene. And that is a point on which I almost entirely agree with him: you really can't ever have too many socks.

Silliness aside, I'd have to agree with ghst.san on the reasons for Dumbledore to snap. Hell, for any of the questions I can't really contribute anything that hasn't already been said.

 

If memory serves, there is a Kinsfire fic in which Dumbledore turns out to be a sort of co-Dark Lord with Voldemort, using the threat of Tom to cement his absolute control over Wizarding Britain, while secretly manipulating Voldie into thinking he is in control. At the end, Dumbledore rather casually throws an avada straight at a pregnant Weaselette. Turns out he was essentially the Nazi-like Dark Lord foil to Voldie's Ghengis Khan.

Personally, I think that from what we have seen up to OotP, a canon Dumbledore would have to experience an intense, extremely personal, and extremely damaging and traumatic experience serving to break his arguably tenuous grasp on sanity and forsake his centuries-old dedication to the Light.

Perhaps if he is forced to watch as Harry, his protege and the pinnacle of his hope for the Wizarding World is degraded and broken, his will-power shattered, before finally being killed in a painful, humiliating, and public manner. This would undoubtedly be a very traumatic experience as it would combine feelings of helplessness, despair, sympathy, cold rage at the treatment of his "heir" and the knowledge that according to prophecy, Voldemort will now win the war. If we take this further, and allow the Ministry corruption to turn the public away from Harry, due to a slanderous public relations campaign, and perhaps even have the common folk celebrate the death of a "mentally unstable child, from an abusive Muggle home, who was meeting with Voldemort to finally join the killing of Muggles," then this further disillusions Dumbledore. If the papers investigate, and his treatment at the Dursley's is publicised and then used against Harry, this brings us now to a Dumbledore without hope of winning a war of attrition, who watched the chosen child of his legacy finally broken and conquered, and who has had the cowardly wizarding public and the corrupt ministry rub it in his face and showcase exactly why the Wizarding World doesn't really deserve to be safe.

I think this is the perfect spot for a psychotic break, brought on by age, stress, and an intense trauma that finally separates his percieved reality from that of common consensus. Voila, Dumbledore snaps. To take it further, perhaps he justifies this even now, holding to a moral code and trying to save those he can. He knows now that the Wizarding world is doomed to darkness, and Voldemort cannot be stopped, nor is the Ministry really inclined to do it, being extremely corrupt. One more step down Dumbledore Logic Lane, and you have a large world of Muggles directly threatened by a minority within them, the wizards, who are all as good as dead or irredeemably evil. Solution? Kill all the wizards in Britain in the hopes of protecting the Muggles from totalitarian rule under the Wizarding Class. If Voldemort has no one to rule or follow him except Muggles, they will eventually destroy him, one way or another, through sheer numbers and destructive capability. Or you could go down a totally different path and say that he starts killing Muggles in high places and breaking the secrecy statute and instilling fear of magic and wizards in the Muggles so that when they do reveal themselves and claim the titles of overlords, the Muggles just open fire. Or he could do both. ;P In either case, you have a psychotic Dumbledore without rewriting canon or reading too far into his canon motives. You have a legitimate reason, a clean (and perhaps overdue) break from his previous persona, and you even have a personal ethics system that he holds to as strongly as he ever held to maintaining the status quo in canon. Seems reasonable to me.

Anyway, that's my take on what would happen to make Dumbledore snap, and what would happen if he did. As for joining Voldemort, I don't know if I could exactly justify that one, at least with as much detail. Perhaps something trite, such as the war turning Harry into a darkness bigger than anything Riddle could dream, and obliterating the Ministry. No one side can beat Harry on their own, so do they choose the lesser of two evils and join forces to kill the Boy Who Lived? Perhaps . . .

Yes, I tend to ramble when I'm bored.

 

How about this.

Fawkes was actually Dumbledore. Original Dumbledore was, according to another prophecy, supposed to kill Grindelwald by using power of love shit, but he turned dark and decided to ally himself with Grindelwald and take over the world together.

Fawkes decided to prevent that and he took Dumbledore under a sort of phonexian imperius curse, forcing him to turn light. Thus, the love for candy, twinkling eyes, flashy red-purple robes and other stuff.

Then came HBP; when the killing curse hit, the control was broken, pushing Dumbledore into a death-like coma and Fawkes disoriented. Fawkes tried to reestablish the control at the funeral, but failed due to Dumbledore's increased power (that's when the phoenix flew out of Dumbledore's grave and escaped). So, after everybody had left the funeral, dark lord Dumbledore arises from the grave, planning to continue his old campain.

Fawkes on the other hand, seeks the only one who could stop the both dark lords now - Harry...

 

If Dumbledore went evil...the Wizarding World would be well and trully fucked.

Dumbledore is naturally at about the same power level as Voldemort without the use of any dark rituals.

If he went through dark rituals to increse his power and make himself younger
so would he be pretty much unstoppable. He would be far more powerful then Voldemort and have well over a century of more experience.

Now as to why he would snap, The best place for this is in HPB in my opinion. Dumbledore's hand was destroyed with the destruction of the Gaunt Ring and he sees that Harry is useless, despite Sirius having died because Harry had not taken his studies seriously so does Harry still not take them as seriously as he should. Dumbledore start to use the dark arts to heal his body, he justifies this by the fact that Harry is not ready to take over as leader of the light and wont be for several years. As the Leader of the Light does he needs to be strong. He cant be viewed as human by the common wizards and witches, they must see him as a figure of legend. He would have to use more and more dark arts to heal any wounds he gets to make sure people wont
see that he is just as human as they are.

This use of the dark arts will cause the slow corruption of Dumbledore when
he slowly becomes more ruthless. The Order would follow Dumbledore if his corruption was slow, he would then bring them with him.

The public would refuse to belive that dumbledore had snapped until they personally sees him killing and then will they most likley go hide in their homes and hope no one finds them or pledge themselves to dumbledore simply because they are so used to him being right.