That's going a bit far. Sirius was thought to be a murderer who had broken entry into Gryffindor tower AND Harry's dormitory; Harry listened to him, but he still had his wand pointed at him. And Remus IS a werewolf. If she was a bigot towards him, she would've warned Harry and Ron about him. Quite the contrary, she decided to give him a chance--she decided to trust him and she kept his condition a secret for months--but when he started behaving all friendly towards Sirius, she wouldn't believe it at first, and then she thought werewolves just couldn't be trusted.

Hey, she was fourteen! A fourteen-years-old girl is bound to jump to conclusions a little quickly--and I admit Hermione often do that--when she's locked in a creepy house with a famous murderer, a teacher whose actions are seemingly absurd, a friend lying on a bed with a broken leg and another friend who just tried to kill someone and almost got himself killed in the process.

She must have read much about werewolves that year; and she probably didn't read many positive things about them, as wizards don't spontaneously trust werewolves--remember Ron's reaction? 'Stay away from me, werewolf!' Yet she trusted him, she let Harry have private lessons with him all year. She can make her own opinions, you can't deny that ability of hers. The problem is that she's really stubborn about those opinions afterwards *cough SPEW cough*.

I'm getting really confused with all those different definitions of prodigies you guys came up with. If she was only--ONLY--a bookworm spending all her spare time going through tons of books, she would have read about the Gillyweed somewhere. This has strictly nothing to do with being a prodigy. It has everything to do with reading the right book at the right time. Well, it turns out Hermione hadn't read this book yet at the time--maybe because the book had been under Neville's bed for months.

I am all for saying Hermione can be an annoying character, and I understand why some even hate her. I don't, well that's my problem. But really--you are sometimes exaggerating. On a related note, shouldn't we go back to the general character bashing, and start another thread for discussing Hermione's character?

I can't believe I started all this by merely asking why you all thought Lupin was a genius...

 

Yeah, I guess those things were a little off. The werewolf thing was a jump, but it was she was nice to House Elves, but it seemed a little hypocritical to me. Does anyone else notice how weird Hermione feels around Remus and Sirius years after? It always seems she is hesitant to talk to them about anything.

About the Gillyweed thing, yeah, I guess that too. It's just, I can handle her being smart, I can handle her doing a few things that are advanced, but it's just she isn't a prodigy.

Tinn, if you want to continue this with me, you can PM me. We've kind of hijacked the thread to just Hermione. Any new hated characters anyone?

 

Screw high jacking the thread it's called charecter bashing we are doing what it is designed for.

You are letting you hatred for Ron blind you. He is NOT a dumass. He is average in every sense of the word but he has lived in the wizarding world for 12 years the chances that he would know about many of the creatures is HUGE. Did you know about linons and tiger and bears when you were 12? Oh coarse you bloody did just like Ron had a good chance of hearing about "the king of serpents" He knows about giants and other magical things so it stands to reason he would know generic information about other creatures. And a shit load of guys are effected by the vella it doesn't have anything to do with knowledge it has to do with being a horny 14 year old.

 

Harry was effected the first few times. And about Ron, he is comic relief for Harry. He really, really, needs him. He is the only one who can get Harry's mind off things, letting him act like a normal kid, and have fun like a teenager. Without him, and with only Hermione and her bossiness, Harry would have snapped.

 

Basilisks aren't something you would hear about as often as lions, tigers, etc. Most people probably wouldn't believe they existed, if only for the fact that so few people would ever have witnessed one and survived. He may have known of them, similar to the way we "know" of dragons and other mythological beasts, but anything he knew would have to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

I think a few people didn't get what I was saying. I meant that Voldemort did all these great things because he was naturally motivated, and a prodigy. It was an example of how little Hermione, a supposed prodigy, did compared to Voldemort.

 

Other than DD, how many people can compare to Voldemort? Even the series "hero" is nowhere near his level.

 

Maybe harry is at his level though. In a fan fic the author explained the duel at the end of Goblet Of Fire and how during the prior incantatem it showed that Harry was able to overpower Voldemort.

So in terms of pure magic power he is his equal (I hope this finally comes out) but with experience and knowledge he is a lazy bum that should be dead.

Makes sense to me because how else did Harry even stand a chance in that instance that wasn't really down to luck.

 

Hum, maybe i am going to get hanged for this, once again, but Hermione has at least three acceptable reasons for not being "The genius". Some of those reasons don't hold to Voldemort, but they do to people like Snape or Draco or Dumbledore or the MWPP...

The first is simply she doesn't come from a wizarding family, can't use magic during the summers, and wasn't tutored prior to hogwart like Snape for example was (" He knew more curses on his first year than most seven years")

The second is that, unlike Voldemort, she is busy during school years. She has to help out two friedns with their homework. and she has to help Harry out with his quests. Voldemort may have found out where was the chamber and all, but he didn't have to research Flamel on his first year, wasn't petrified in his second, didn't help out an half-giant with a Trial in his third, didn't help out find spells for a friend in his fourth (though that don't count that much), or Ran an illegal organization during his Fifth (Harry may be the boss, but she is the one who organized everything, and maybe made out the lessons plan too)...

The third Reason is that she made the choice to know about everything, and did not stick with only one subject no matter how bad she would be at others (James was supposed to be good at transfiguration and Defence, Snape was shown to be terribly bad at charms and transfiguration, and so on).

 

Ok....not to sound to outlandish or anything but aren't the twins closer to being prodigies than Hermione...I mean sure she's smart but let's not get ahead of ourselves...it's not like she's fit to teach a subject.

And how do we know Hermione isn't getting tutoring during the summers? We know next to nothing about Hermione's home life because Rolling decided to put emphases on the weasels.

My hated character besides the usual are the Slytherins. God! they are supposed to be cunning and sly but what does "the prince of Slytherin" do? He let's the whole world know exactly where his loyalties lie! And Crab and Goyle? The very definition of cunning! Rolling just made Slytherin the breeding ground for bullies!

 

I completely agree with Rake on the whole Slytherin aspect. Why the hell would JK create an entire house dedicated to people who are sly, cunning, determined, and maniplulative and have them be the most idiotic group of people you could ever meet. Crabbe and Goyle act like Hufflepuffs if anything (because of their blind loyalty to Malfoy). And Malfoy is hardly sly or cunning. He's just extremely loud mouth.

 

As for the third, those people never go anywhere in life. They can never find what they want to do and are only good at most things. Excel in one thing, and then go somewhere in that subject.

First reason, no one can use magic during summer, she knew a lot of curses too, she read before, who gives a shit about wizarding families. Big fucking deal.

Second. Whoop dee fucking doo. Voldemort had no one in Slytherin. He wasn't accepted and had to work hard. He had to reaserch shit. It doesn't matter if it was just for himself. Has Hermione discovered Immortality, that's a shit load harder than Flammel.

Who cares if she was petrified, the whole second year no one learned anything. Third year, big deal, he was looking for a Secret chamber no one has found for around 950 years, he found it in 3. 4th year doesn't count, they had Moody's help.

As for 5th...found the chamber, killed someone, got away with it, and was starting his search for immortality. She did a newt spell...OMFG SHE IS SO LIKE PRODIGY!!!oneoneelevelas!!

 

You know some people go really overboard on the "your really the smartest witch of your age Hermione..." comment. No she's not a prodigy. Her very nature rules the idea out. See there are two types of smart people, the ones who are born that way and the ones who work for it. Hermione's one of the second group, she's a hard worker who puts everything into study. If you started studying for finals several months in advance and didn't get a perfect score I would worry about you. True genuses rarely have to work for knowledge, speaking form experience here. Not that I'm a genius or anything, missed that classification by five IQ points, but I've walked into tests that half the class failed without studying and walked out with a perfect paper. If anything Harry is a prodigy, he takes to certain subjects like a fish in water. With a little motivation Harry will learn things far beyond his level in half the time an adult would, see the patronus spell. If things came to her that simply she wouldn't spend all her free time studying the class books. Instead of the class books she'd be reading research journals or something.

 

Wow. Naga's Shadow, a almost genius, writes Harry/Owl porn/erotica/smut/whatever the fuck you want. I weep for America and the world.

 

DLR porn is such a nasty word, erotica is better used in this case. It's much more classy.