No use in healing him and investigating him. If the Death Eaters kill him then good for us. It'll save us a day on our lynch. If he's a Death Eater, they won't kill him, and if he's a wizard and they kill him, nothing horrible will happen. (A lot of people are planing on killing him anyway) Then we'll know he is not a Death Eater so we can focus on other targets.

 

With that in mind, I agree that it makes sense that both the Auror and Healer go after Taure... If he's innocent and thus the Death Eater's know, they would kill him to waste an investigation (unless he actually is the Dark Lord). If he's guilty, then the Auror should hopefully reveal themselves as a result.

Then again, if Death Eaters know that Taure was protected, then they would select a different target since there wouldn't be much point attacking him. You have a point that we might as well leave him unguarded. If he is guilty then we will hopefully find out, if he is innocent, then well... sucks to be him? I mean, then we can focus on other targets that are not going to be in doubt as being the Dark Lord even if claimed innocent by lack of Auror reveal. Or, you know, he could just get killed anyway out of spite I guess...:facepalm

Either way Night Phase and the results, or lack of them, in the next Day Phase should be revealing.

Oh and just checking out the other thread, they had just started on Day Five by page 10.

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While I understand your sentiment, I don't really see the point of killing him needlessly if we can reasonably prove him innocent(Dark Lord 'innocence' aside). Whether or not his roleplaying is annoying or not is pretty irrelevant if he is actually innocent. Such is the loss of being a major forum personality I suppose.

 

How does that make any sense Fenraellis?
If he's innocent and the Death Eaters kill him, it might be a waste of the investigation, but we have the information we wanted.....

And if he's guilty, the Death Eaters won't kill him. Sending the healer and Auror makes zero sense. Maybe you're just trying to waste the healer as well as the Auror? Maybe you're the Death Eater, hmm?

EDIT: And also they'd be wasting their kill by going after Taure, which is good for us.

 

Hashasheen,

I said go after HoS because Fiat Piscis kept on deflecting when it came to him. Only Death Eaters protect each other, unless there's a very good reason.

Logically speaking, Scrittore has a point. Anybody who voted for ratstrub is a potential suspect at this point. However, I personally believe that the people who voted for ratstrub (apart from Fiat Piscis and Krogan, HoS defenders) aren't the DEs, but simply people who wanted a bandwagon and followed the DE's lead. People like Vira and Palindrome were insisting for successful lynches after Ashaya v. Berkeley Hunt, that their bandwagoning of ratstrub makes sense in context. He was an acceptable target at that point.

After you deal with Taure (investigate, lynch him, I really don't care), deal with Fiat Piscis and HoS. Don't forget that Fiat Piscis was the deciding vote against ratstrub and he was the one who started the bandwagon.

Moreover, I wonder why people like Ayreon and Fenraellis didn't vote yet, when they clearly posted in this thread. I'm not blaming or accusing them, because they may have RL commitments and/or were attempting to vote after deliberation. However, those who keep quiet have the most incentive to be Serial Killers. Remember that.

tl;dr, Fiat Piscis and HoS are next on my suspect list, after Taure. If the Auror and/or Hit-Wizard does something about Taure, Fiat Piscis and HoS should be lynched.

 

Jwik: Er, why do you assume that Taure must be a DE if he doesn't get killed tonight? It's more likely that the Death Eaters will pass him over and go after someone else, knowing that we'd lynch him the next day anyways.

I'm liking the Auror plan, though. Let him / her decide Taure's fate. But we should also be careful if someone tries to impersonate the Auror. Even if the real Auror outs themself, we're going to have a bit of trouble deciding who's who. Not to mention the Healer won't know who to protect... Just throwing that thought out there. We have to be careful.

 

A possible solution: the false Auror is probably a Death Eater. So, the two people who claim to be Aurors would either be the true Auror or a Death Eater. While the Healer protects one Auror, the Hit-Wizard keep an eye on the other. If the Healer hasn't chosen the correct Auror, the Hit-Wizard would be able to tell who is trying to kill the true Auror, and we'll have more than one Death Eater candidate.

We might lose an Auror, but we would have caught a Death Eater. It all depends on how the Death Eaters play this game.

 

@ Vira: I never said that Taure is a DE if he is not killed. Some people were saying that we should both protect and investigate Taure, which made no sense to me. All I said was that if Taure was a DE (as many suspect him to be) then obviously his own side won't (can't?) kill him and protecting him would be a waste....

I actually agree with you. Any smart Death Eaters would obviously not kill him, letting us waste another day. That is why I am suspicious of the people who said to protect Taure...

 

Zeitgeist, personally as I mentioned in my post, I was waiting until later, so more discussion could be had. By the time I woke up, a lynch had already been performed only about halfway into the Day Phase.

All said, while I don't overly care about Taure, since I don't know if he is actually innocent, I have been convinced of the method of waiting for the Auror to "investigate until vocal" that Rats subscribed to.

I already admitted that I can see value to not using the Healer on him, but maybe you missed my edit. It's up to the Power Roles to decide what they do either way, I suppose. That said, I certainly don't have any reasonable way to prove my innocence to you, so take that as you will.

 

I can sort of see what you're trying to say, but while it would suck to lose another wizard, it would be worse to waste our healer's abilities. But that's besides the point, no half decent death eater would kill Taure, it just makes no sense.

Btw, there is no guarantee that the Auror will actually investigate Taure. Hopefully he does, but if there is another person he finds suspicious he might just not listen to us and investigate whoever it is he wants.

(I did miss that edit until now)

 

Come on guys, that logic isn't that hard.
The healer should try to prevent people from getting killed (unless it's the Dark Wizard trying to kill a Death Eater, but the DW has nothing to gain from killing our investigation target).
It's far from certain that the DEs will try to kill Taure, but he's still a more likely target to protect than just randomly healing someone at night.
If the healer randomly chooses to heal someone at this point he'll be successful in <10% of cases.
Is Taure, as investigation target, a more likely DE target than 10%?

Again, we don't want people getting killed by Death Eaters. It's not 'fine' because that person was under suspicion. Every true Wizard who dies is a loss to our side.

 

Hit-Wizard, Auror and Healer should all visit Taure. That way, the Hit-Wizard would know who all the major power roles would be. The power-roles could then help each other during the nights and direct us in our lynches.

Personally, I don't see the appeal with the "Auror-out-himself-to-reveal-Taure's-identity" plan. Yes, the Auror should investigate him, but why show our hand already? The Auror should stay in the shadows and continue to investigate, under the auspices of the Healer and Hit-Wizard, and only reveal himself later. That way, he can release *all* of his previous findings and narrow our suspect pools. The Warlocke would help to assassinate anybody who isn't an Auror-verified innocent.

As long as the Auror isn't a dinkus like Lion, (s)he doesn't need to be revealed yet. Continue investigating.

Seriously, Taure's probably going to die either way. Why waste our Auror's identity on somebody many of us are so intent on killing anyway?

 

How should the Hit-Wizard communicate the identity of the Healer/Auror to them, but nobody else? I thought PMs are forbidden?

The only way for the Healer to reliably protect the Auror, is for the Auror to out himself as soon as he finds a Death Eater. Until then the Auror just needs to keep quiet after an investigation and we'll know he found nothing and he can keep his anonymity.

 

The Hit-Wizard would be somebody who would be aware of who the true people are. Thus, he could endeavour to protect them if the Villagers attempt to lynch the Auror/Healer. At either rate, the Hit-Wizard should try to keep track of who is what.


http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Watcher/Strategy

The Hit-Wizard can also watch themselves. Interesting...

 

I'm pretty sure that it would only be identifying the Auror if Taure was marked as guilty.

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Anyway, it's a hard sell to have the Healer, Hit Wizard and Auror there. Then again, if somehow Death Eater targets are accurately guessed each night, and prevented, but three people(aside from the Hit Wizard) visit, with two people the same presumably being the Auror and Healer... actually that kind of falls apart, since not only could Death Eaters use the same killer to throw that off, but the Dark Wizard could visit, or even the Sorcerer/ess. Which would skew the identities charting. That Hit Wizard has his job cut out for him.

Hah, just thinking about it, but one person could have up to five different people(Healer, Auror, Sorcerer/ess, Dark Wizard, and either Death Eater or Warlock depending on their alignment) visit them in one evening, since there are seven power roles. See the Hit Wizard verify which is which without an extended pattern of activity
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With so many roles, I sincerely hope the important people are keeping track of things.

Also, what Ayreon said. Unless the Hit Wizard is revealing who visited who(which sounds like a crappy way of getting yourself killed off, as well as others, since the Death Eaters know who they are), well...

I still say we wait to see what the Auror says, or doesn't say. Of course, if the Hit Wizard is watching someone who only has one person visit, and they get killed, then they should out themselves. Hopefully, with some form of proof that doesn't incriminate the Pro-Town roles. One for one in that situation is probably worth it.

 

You know what? Aside from the fact that roughly half of your logic falls apart if anyone even thinks about them (You were on HoS before I posted in any meaningful way) everything you've said is ridiculously suspicious. The fact that you're declaring me and Krogan as HoS supporters (despite neither of us doing anything other than not voting for him and declaring suspicion of you) is even more indicicative of what you're doing - you're a death eater and trying to have the town kill the people who suspect you.

If you and those that believe you vote to lynch me, I'm fine with it. I'll embrace it, in fact, but any villagers who do so will be fucking over the town in supporting you. It'll just be another meaningless death - and in the event that it happens everyone should vote for you the next day, because any defence you present is bullshit.

If no one says anything about Taure tomorrow, I'm voting to lynch you. HoS is ridiculously suspicious, but you reek of Lord Anarchy. More than that, other people smell it too. Seriously everyone: read what Anarchy wrote last thread. Read Zeitgeist's posts. The differences are academic in nature.

 

True. Most people agree with the Auror should reveal himself/herself, while the Healer shouldn't (especially with the hooker of a Sorcerer(ess) is still alive). The only concern I have is if a Death Eater falsely claims to be an Auror; we would need a means of identifying them. The Hit-Wizard could help with that.

If the Watcher was keeping track of Taure's night visits, he'd be able to clear the Healer at the very least. It all depends on what the Death Eaters do.

At any rate, the Hit-Wizard should visit Taure with the Healer and Auror. At the very least, the Watcher would be verify that those who visited Taure aren't ordinary Wizards and Witches. That is still something.

EDIT:

Fiat Piscis, you're the one who's reeking of Dark magic. Seriously, you deflect attention away from HoS by voting for Fenraellis, refusing to give him the same courtesy you gave HoS. Fenraellis never had a chance to defend himself, yet you gave HoS that same courtesy even after declaring that you were suspicious of him. Why? Because Fenraellis was the only person at the time who had a vote and wasn't HoS?

Your defense of HoS is subtle, I will admit. However, it was you who started the ratstrub bandwagon, and you who rescinded twice. You even delivered the killing blow of a vote. I stuck with my Taure vote. Yes, I'm coming off as a zealot, but you are strangely avoiding voting for HoS. I will admit freely that the initial reason why I voted for HoS was abritrary; I always have.

However, that arbitrariness disappeared when you started deflecting attention away from him. Villagers, remember that it was Fiat Piscis who started the ratstrub purge. And he was avoiding HoS from the very beginning, when bandwagoning was a viable strategy.

The fact that HoS is mysteriously silent and doesn't vote is also telling. Trying to stay out of the spotlight much?

Either way, I'll be voting for you, Fiat. This locks in my vote.

 

I don't find Zeit too suspicious, but since I don't have any proof to back me, I guess it doesn't matter what I say to that.

However, going back a few pages, I saw a lot of people excusing Lutris' declaration of his role because it was most likely his first time. But that is false, since he was in the last game. Personally, like with Zeit, I don’t think he’s a Death Eater, but I thought I’d throw this fact out there and let you guys decide what to think.

 

Seriously, just read his fucking posts. That's literally the only defense I need: read his fucking posts. He's either totally pants-on-head retarded or a death eater, and while his previous posts have indicated the former, if he was genuinely that dumb he wouldn't be capable of writing.

Read the posts again: Lord Anarchy would be proud of him.

Yeah, Lutris is suspicious too. We should look at the people who defended him.

 

Something I just realized looking through the player list, has kaiDASH posted a single time since the game kicked off? Also Lutris bud you seem awfully silent despite viewing the thread multiple times.

 

Fine, my words may sound strong, but look at Fiat Piscis's actions. Avoided a bandwagon for HoS. Jumped on one for Fenraellis, then started one with ratstrub. Rescinded his vote to vote Taure. Then, returned to ratstrub, who's innocent, to deliver the killing blow.

These activities are all suspicious. Since you don't like my tl;dr, I won't say more. The actions speak for themselves anyway.