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Deep Dark Secret

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tobang, Jan 30, 2006.

  1. Lord Dragon

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    I like harry slitherlin paring :evil:
     
  2. Gullible

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    Don't start with Team America on me.
     
  3. PsyckoSama

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    Fuck yeah... ;)
     
  4. DGD

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  5. Tobang

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    My deep dark secret today is that it actually took me 30 secounds to get this joke.

    I guess you could say I’m an atheist too. Well, more or less, I think there is a chance that something “made” us but to believe that there is a god watching out for us seems kind of retarded to me.

    If there was really some intelligent being watching out for us why wouldn’t he prove to us that he exists. Saying you should just believe without any proof is retarded.

    But then there’s the whole watch on an island theory that gets me thinking a god is possible.

    If you were walking on a deserted dessert island and you came across a watch, you would have to assume that there is a watchmaker out there somewhere, because that’s to complex to have just bee naturally there. For those of you who aren’t good with analogies ill spell it out for you. Humans are too complex to have just popped into existence.

    But then there are problems with that theory. Evolution does exist whether you want to believe in it or not, we have undeniable proof that certain species of animals have totally changed over time. Wouldn’t it go to say that its entirely possible that evolution has made us into the incredibly complex species that we are today?

    There is also the whole fact that we know, for sure, that for millions of year’s humans were not around while dinosaurs and other things were. Directly conflicting with the bible. If you believe in the bible you don’t believe that dinosaurs ever existed.

    I’m also split on the idea of organized religion and if it good or bad.

    Good-Organized religion was the backbone to many of the begging societies of the world. It was the ting that held a bunch of individual farmers together. Without organized religion cities and societies might of never happened.

    Bad-Its not entirely unrealistic to think that people wouldn’t of started societies without a common religion eventually. A group of people working together is more efficient than each man for himself.

    Religion has set us back hundreds of years in our science and technology. Greece had mathematical, scientific and physical theories that would take the world nearly a thousand years to rediscover. All because Catholics literally KILLED anybody who said they were a scientist for hundreds of years.

    Think were are society would be if we…

    Would have launched a spacecraft 500 years ago?
    If calculus was discovered a thousand years ago?
    Decided that if you weren’t a farmer or a priest you didn’t have a place in their society?
    If we hadn't stifled any genius minds who thought that ‘Hey, the earth might not actually be the center of the galaxy.’ or, ‘Err…I don’t think the earth is really that flat….?’
     
  6. LINKed up

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    On your last note, about 2000 years ago, there was this one guy named Heron of Alexandria that was half a step from making the steam engine. And it was the steam engine that started the Industrial Revolution. Think about that for a second. How different would the world be if we had the Industrial Revolution 2000 years ago insted of 200 years ago.
     
  7. ip82

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    What makes you think humans are so complex?
    I'll tell you right now, there's nothing humans have that can't be found on some other animal on the Earth.

    Hell, the difference between chimps and humans is 2% of DNK code - surely not such a huge difference to warrant some super aliens/god creating them.

    The belief that humans are something much more special and divine than animals is just wishful thinking IMO - it's in human nature to think highly of oneself, so people are inventing all kinds of fantastic stories to delude themselves into believing they are special and chosen kind and that their life is more meaningful than it actually is.

    That's why religious folk don't like discussing this from a logical aspect and why they get angry when someone is 'making fun' of their oh so divine fictional characters and historic figures - it breaks the group illusion they are so hard struggling to create.

    It's like a bunch of junkies living in some hovel with bared windows and locked door - it feels so good and cozy just sitting there, getting high together, and pretending the rest of the world doesn’t exist. But if you look at them from the outside, you see them for what they really are - a bunch of deluded sods trying to escape from reality.

    BTW, always wanted to ask this. If humans and the rest of the world are so complex that someone HAD to create them, then WHO created that someone? You’re not telling me that the God is less complex than the world he HAD to create?
     
  8. LINKed up

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    Good point there ip82. Nice thing to think about. BTW, how did this topic turn to religious beliefs and stuff?
     
  9. apocalypsemeow

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    People's deep dark secrets being about religious beliefs and stuff. and yes, good points ip82...It is kind of funny to point out to seriously religious people how similar we are to animals, and see them freak out. Then say that you are going to hell, etc.
     
  10. LINKed up

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    The thing is that humans are just specialized enough to speak. That doesn't make us beter thatn any other organism in the world. If we where, then wouldn't we be able to do anything that any other organism could do? Seriously, humans are animals, thats why we are in the Kingdom Animalia.
     
  11. Tobang

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    I kinda agree with you. I was just stating that theory. What I was saying is that that theory just gets me thinking. It has some valid points. If you have ever taken an anatomy course you would be absolutely amazed at how our bodies function some of the stuff is just so ingenious that its hard to believe that we just naturally came to be like this.

    An example, veins have no actual pressure in them like arteries do, so how does the blood flow threw them to get back to your heart? There are one way valves in them that only allow blood to flow in one direction and they are in imbedded in muscles so when ever you move that muscle you squeeze the vein thus pushing your blood back too your heart.
    (For some of you younglings out there…veins bring blood to your heart, arteries carry blood away from your heart.)

    That seems kind of strange to just randomly happen, but then it is explainable because we have had millions of years for it too randomly happen.

    If you’re looking for an actual answer from me for witch theory I believe in more evolution or creation…. I would have to say evolution.

    But, I’m not going to give any crap to anybody who believes in creation. I just give crap to people who follow the bible b/c there is NO proof that anything in the bible is true. And the excuse of “You just have to believe.” is absolutely retarded in my opinion. B/c people who believe in the bible main argument against evolution is that we don’t have definitive proof for it. Well, we have even less proof backing the creation theory. Can you say hypocritical double standard anybody?
     
  12. LINKed up

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    Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? They are part of the original biblical writings. Now, I'm not saying that I think that the Bible is completely true. Seriously, what happened to the 18 years between when Jesus was twelve and when he was thirty?
     
  13. bornagainpenguin

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    Lest Darkness Fall, by L. Sprague de Camp is one good take on someone traveling back in time to speed things up... There is also a good short story that did a take on the subject from the opposite POV with the resulting combination of extended longievity, good sanitation, and quicker route to industrialization leading to overpopulation, starvation and peak oil\energy crisis occuring way back in the 1700s. The story was called Let the Darkness Fall and appears to be a quick one off jab by a one-time writer. Not much can be found about it online. I seem to recall seeing it in a Isaac Asimov collection called 100 Short-Short Sficence Fiction Stories which is well worth reading.

    --bornagainpenguin

    PS Some fun reading in general here and here. Incidentially they're where I got lost after trying to find more info on the books I mentioned and then just kept reading....
     
  14. Master Slytherin

    Master Slytherin Headmaster

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    Deep secret? No real secret but:

    1. Haven't read a new fic in about three months.

    2. Don't mind reading H/G.

    3. I like canon and can't deny that JK has a brilliant, very readable writing style.

    4. Don't like Evil Harry, Dark Harry or Evil Dumbledore

    5. Dumbledore is my favourite character
     
  15. Rain

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    ...eh? *confused* Don't you write a Dark!Harry story, Master Slytherin?
     
  16. IndoGhost

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    I thought he wrote an independent harry
     
  17. Master Slytherin

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    Not a Dark Harry story but it depends how you classify Dark Harry I suppose. It is indeed a form of Independent Harry.
     
  18. Rain

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    I suppose. I don't read much Evil!Harry either, but that is mostly because there aren't a lot of good ones. *shrugs* I mentally classify them as "Dark" when they are more "Grey", it's probably responsible for my response. That and I haven't read "The Other Side of Hell" since it was still Harry/Tonks and written by Egyptian Flame (I think I have the right author) *sheepish* I keep meaning to, though.
     
  19. SlytherinDamian

    SlytherinDamian Raptured to Hell

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    That was his 'experimental' stage. You really don't want to know.


    As to the questions raised on if I was serious or not on some of my secrets, I'll leave you guessing, but I will confirm I have the most open mind you will ever find.


    I'll add more:

    -I don't think humans are like animals, I know they are animals. Really dumb ones
    -I think the age of consent is unconstitutional
    -Science is a religion, no matter what you think
    -I'm not a catholic, in case anyone wondered. I don't believe in anything, not even my own sense perception
    -Believing what you see is no smarter than believing what you're told
     
  20. SlytherinDamian

    SlytherinDamian Raptured to Hell

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    All wizards are grey in practice, but one or the other in philosophy. It all comes down to means versus ends. Results oriented wizards are dark, because they will justify 'improper' magic use if it suits their own ends. A light wizard, in comparison, will hesitate or refuse to use unethical means even if it results are beneficial. And I agree, decent evil fics are hard to find, but I love them nonetheless. Evil people are hawt.
     
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