You didn't realize sarcasm is what is known as verbal irony?

 

And you are acting retarded right now. Accept criticism, don't feel the need to reply and defend yourself at all times.

 

Why the fuck should I accept criticism that is WRONG. Not bad, not blunt, not harsh. But just plain wrong.

And for someone trying to play the retard card on someone, you really shouldn't try to make an argument of "You should just shut up and accept wrong facts."

And one final point.

Fuck you, i can defend myself if I damn well please, bitch.

 

Can we change the subject ?

(1) The shooting match is becoming quite tiresome.

(2) And Titania is not the Harry's mother, grandmother or daughter, etc. His father would have been a changelling if that was the case and Jim said that Harry's father was perfectly normal. On his maternal side, they were wizards, and they should know better than have sex with faerie. Harry's only relation with Titania, the only link between them is in Summer knight when he kill her daugter.

The fact that Titania may make an apparence in the future is probably linked to that simple fact. She will want revenge.

 

I told you I was being ironical. There's nothing magical about it.


Tylendel, Butcher stated there is a reason that Harry hasn't met Titania yet. So there has to be a relationship, even if it isn't blood.

It would still make for a good fanfic even if she really isn't related to him. Sadly, we probably won't even come close to what the real relationship is.

It's kind of like when Susan first got turned into a vampire. We would never have guessed the underlining reason for it would be that she would be used to destory the entire red court.

But it's fun surmising and guessing why.

 

I'll be really disappointed if Harry gets out of being the Winter Knight that easy. I've been waiting for him to become the Winter Knight for ever and he dies and gets out of it? Bullshit man. Bullshit.

 

Wouldn't count on it being that straightforward. JB has said something along the lines of "Like she hasn't heard that lame excuse before" in regards to him skipping out on the bargain.

 

More specifically, in regards to him dying.

 

Yeah but he didn't actually clarify if Harry would still be the WK when he became alive again, if he becomes alive again (which would be pretty lame if he didn't imo). I mean he could mean that Harry no longer is the WK and Mab gets extremely pissed and threatens Harry for some other kind of deal or something besides being the WK, therefor not getting out of his bargain fully, only partly (as in not being the Winter Knight).

But that would be pretty lame, I mean the whole vibe I got from Changes was that Harry was going to change one way or the other, either by getting a coin of the Fallen or becoming the Winter Knight. The whole plot was a base-focus on them points (to me) and if Harry isn't the WK anymore which we should find out when the next book is released hopefully I think that most parts of Changes were for nothing.

 

I am pretty sure that Harry will remain the WK for at least the next book. Making a bargain with Lea and getting out of it is one thing, enrolling as the WK is another and I think it will get some exploration.

If it weren't for his "death", I would have thought the next book would pick up with him being mostly alienated from his friends and doing his job. Now I believe the possibility him being some sort of ghost or being lost in a metaphysical plane of some sort, where his WK powers still apply and he has to get back.

Vash I think, wrote this short story where Harry got to the Underworld, due to his death and I would like it to take this way.

Related to that I have a question:

With the Nordic gods existing, it probably means that all the other gods exist as well, as well as God. So, when you die, do you get to the place you believe you will go? Kind of like in Discword where people who believe in Valhalla (or the Discworld equivalent of it) will be picked up by Valkyries while others may be reincarnated (whether they believe in it or not) .

Or is there some place that is kind of a mix of all of those where everyone goes?

Also, anyone has a guess on what will happen to Bob? Thomas knows of him, I am not sure about Murphy since it was either in the books or in the LC ficverse.

 

That's a good question, actually. Bob is beholden to whoever 'has' that skull. If Harry is technically dead, and the skull is on Thomas' boat... well, Thomas might now 'control' Bob, in as far as Bob can be controlled.
Or, if Harry left everything he owned to Murphy, or Molly, one of them might now get Bob. Personally, my money's on Murph.
As Changes ended, it looked like she was about to lose her job, but I don't think that'll keep her from investigating. And who better to help you investigate a spirit wizard than the wizard's old spirit?

 

The Winter Knight question isn't a matter of a contractual technicality, it's a matter of the Winter Mantle leaving him upon his death. Suddenly, two blocks over, a Winter-aligned changeling has become the Winter Knight. That would definitely give Harry wriggle room.

 

depends on whether or not he is dead dead. If he truly died, like in heart stopped beating, spirit/soul left the body and all that, I guess some schmuck gets the WK mantle, if he is barely alive or in a plane between life or death or whatever I would say he still is the WK, regardless of his condition.

I don't believe in his real death since his "revival" would include necromancy of some sorts (most likely) and from there on, regardless of what happens, he would be even higher on the shit list of the WC, even more so than usual and without any room to defend himself.

It would be hard enough as the WK, but the WK brought back to the living, definitely too much.

Death could also mean that Harry Dresden, the wizard died but from now on Harry Dresden the Winter Knight continues to exist. Sounds lame but I think something along these lines will happen.

about Bob:

Does Murphy even know about Bob? If I remember correctly, Thomas and Butters are the only ones who know Bob. Maybe Elaine too but Molly is the perfect example that the disciple doesn't have to know about what the master uses.

Would be cool though, to see in that Murphy and Bob join forces somehow. Maybe in the Murphy short story we will see them interact?

Although, Bob probably didn't "saw" or notice Harry getting the bullet. Didn't he say to Harry that he shouldn't use him for a week or so, since it strained him too much?

 

The WK power returns to the nearest queen upon the death of the knight. If Harry has truly died, then the power is gone. He could ofcourse ask for it back if/when he returns to life and Mab would likely give it back. Infact, I expect Mab is going to insist on it.

However Harry will not be compelled to accept, which means that he might not become the WK again after he resurrects. I expect however that having Harry slip free this way would _really_ piss Mab off.

We don't know really. Harry does claim that all the afterlives of all religions exist in NN. And Harry could arguably go either to the christian heaven (what with soulfire, Uriel and his battles against Hell) or possibly to Valhalla (He did take food from Odin and is friends with a valkyrie).

Ofcourse it is possible that Harry will be unique and not go to any afterlife. Normally Ghosts in DV are just imprints and not the real deal, but maybe Harry will be first. It has been speculated that Harry's real soul might be trapped in the physical world for who knows what reason (Soulfire, Mab, Demonreach, Etc). If so, the afterlife may remain a mystery even in the next book and we will simply see Harry in the spirit world trying to return to life.

Either that, or we will simply see the ghost and the real Harry will only appear at the end of the book when the ghost resurrects the real Harry and then vanishes.

Murphy does know Bob. They were introduced in one of the short stories.

I am pretty sure the WK mantle returns to one of the queens, not some random changeling. This was explained in Summer Knight. So the power of Winter will go back to Mab (or Maeve if she is closer).

The reason Lily got the power in SK was because Aurora killed the SK, the SK power went to her (she was closest queen), she then gave the power to Lily (I wonder if Aurora and Lily did the same ritual as Harry and Mab ) and transformed her into stone, causing the power to essentially vanish.

When Harry killed Aurora, the Summer Queen power went to the nearest reflection, which in this case was the Summer Knight power. Lily then had both the SK and SQ powers. She then gave the SK power to Fix.

This means that if Harry were to say remain the WK and kill Maeve (or Mab), the power of the winter Queen would go to him.

 

Harry truly dies, then he would lose the power. Okay we got that down. But what if he's not truly dead? (like 100% completely dead). Or if he is truly dead and gets brought Back to life shouldn't the power return to him? I mean as far as we can tell Mab didn't want him to die and we don't know anything that happens when somebody comes back alive. Just because he died doesn't mean he gets to get off on all his contract unless he stays dead?

All I know is that Harry better still be the WK.

 

I doubt that the power would return to Dresden once (if) he ressurrects.

The bargain with Mab stated that he couldn't kill or have himself killed to get out of their deal. Now, assuming Dresden didn't set up the hit on himself and plan in advance to have Murphy be the next best thing to a witness, then I'd say he's free of the bargain he made with Mab. Which isn't to say there won't be some bitterness and spiteful feelings (and gestures) on her part once (if) he's ressurrected.

I hate having to realistically use the 'if' in relation to Dresden's potential return--but Jim Butcher himself states that the end of Changes isn't a cliffhanger, but a resolution. He'd decided to get his daughter safe, even if it killed him, and it did. Kill him. And if we know nothing else, we know that Butcher is a devious fucker as it comes to plots and character-usage.

 

Yeah. Still, it is the _Dresden_ files. I figure Harry will be back. Too many readers would jump ship if he was gone for good. I figure he will be back as a ghost since the name of the next book is Ghost Story.

Though it is possible I suppose that he might not come back to life fully. He could end up as a creature of the NN or something like that. He could use ectoplasm to create a body for himself in the real world and all, but still be limited by thresholds and the like. That would certainly a be a major change.

But no, While that might actually be interesting, in truth I expect that at the end of the next book Harry will be resurrected as a human, somehow.