2 vanilla scum would be the normal 7 vs 2 setup, no?
Adding 2 town roles without giving scum something seems odd.

 

Ok, this was actually 6 minutes after bears' first post

 

I would have said 7 vs 2 with a single good town PR (cop or doc) would be the norm. Prettiest Princess Mafia was 6 vs 2 with a macho cop AND a doc, so I think adding an extra town player and weakening town's PRs leaves that balanced.

Also one-shot doc that misses is basically just vanilla, and there's a fairly high chance of it missing early game, and as Reg demonstrated there's a fairly high chance it dies if it tries to wait for late game.

I don't think your abilities do NOTHING (indeed Gemma confirmed otherwise) but the way they're structured means there's a pretty high chance they'll end up having no effective result. It also might be the case that SOME of your potions are duds while others are not.

 

Your role is not helpful for either alignment.
It helps you survive a while depending on the players.
If you know that the drinks do nothing then giving it to town makes you look better.
But that's it.

 

Assuming Miner would base some of his thoughts on mafiascums idea of a setup, with maybe a stronger bias towards mafia (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=F11) we end up with possible setups of:

• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies.
• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies.
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies.
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.

Which isn't actually helpful, nevermind.
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Ok, listen, they're drinks, not potions. I am a bartender, not an alchemist.
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It adds some utility to town when the full setup is revealed, provided town aren't, like, super dumb.
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The description of the drink of endless night sounds pretty toxic, so maybe that's a poison that could mesh with a doc save. Meh.
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^^^

Jan, look at this, thank.
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There was a discord for mafia in the last dlp game, right?

 

No those setups are totally helpful, that's basically exactly what I was saying. One-shot doc and whatever the fuck your shit is adds up to about one whole competent PR.

 

The setup you are talking about removes a lynch from town.
That is massive for balance.

And if anyone but reg had been the doc then if would have been useful.
A. To clear the slot in most cases.
B. Getting a save in this game would have not been that hard.

 

The second setup, though.
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You clear a slot that would be dead anyway. And town has to sleep later on. Is useless role, except to clear the person who has it.
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And the first line, like, I can see bears is scum chat being like "dc, where are you, game has started" and then dc saying "the thread hasn't updated?" and then bears going "Are you looking at the sign up thread?" and making fun of him.

 

I think So?

That would actually be hilarious if that was a tell/slip.

 

Yeah, they did. Vira and Miner did their pre-game charts thing in it.
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Jan, do you think me/bears is a thing? Because I don't think bears/you is a thing, and if we're clearing Von, then.

 

Okay, but so is having two straight-up infinite use PRs. Particularly noting that if the doc ever hits town gets the lost lynch back again.

And I'm not 100% on the savelogic. In THIS game, maybe, but the game would be balanced around the one-shot doc potentially missing.

The third and fourth setups, though? I mean the second setup is clearly a funnies thing anyway b/c lolblocker with no town PRs. I've always interpreted 7v2 with one town PR as the normal setup.

I'm sure it doesn't count for much, but I can't imagine them doing it a mere six minutes after arriving themselves. I'm pretty sure I'd be left to languish for hours at the very least.

 

The second to last dlp game was me modding qt only.

The last one was eidos gigantic disaster and had discord scumchat, yes.

 

Though, the upside of you townreading Von was that I don't have to worry about him unless he's scum with you, and lynching you resolves that. Lynching not you, however does not.

 

Explain the bolded?

Didn't someone else also townread Von? Like, beru or Gemma or someone?

I'm inclined to say we don't worry about him at all. Or at least if he's scum then basically everyone was wrong about him.

 

:/

I need a bears to do things.
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Both Reg and Gemma said it wasn't a thing, iirc, and I found some posts against it overnight. I'm doing a full reread anyway, so I'll post them when I get to them.

 

If the rest of this game is any indication, you might be waiting a while.

 

Said definitely-not-scum-with-Von!dC.
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Merp.
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Also this.

And the rvs vote on bears.

I'm going down the rabbit hole.

 

I need to re-read you/bears to be sure.
The way you went after them early d1 was less likely aligned.
But your chart was so perfect to clear your partner bears.

I was about to vote dc earlier because he could with you or bears, but then I was not sure enough on you + bears not being a thing.

 

Good, do that. I'm kinda struggling to see how bears is unaligned with ANYONE, given they haven't received focus OR done very much so far.

Now you're getting it!

 

Yeah, ok.
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Ok.

You do that, I'll assess you/bear and you/von.