Yeah, yeah. I can never tell between what I should call people out on and what I should keep to myself in oblat setups. My bad.

 

You missed my vote for Rents Vira.

 

What do you think of the following players?

Vira
Aziraphale
Caesar
Fishy Justice
fontisian

You're trying to doubtcast in Riley's direction, particularly in that last "Sure", without actually calling him scum. You also haven't said what you dislike about Rents, I don't think - I'm very curious to know what you particularly dislike about his play here compared to other players like jwlk.

If you (mis-)interpreted Wetnurse as saying his role could survive multiple night kills, and think random (strong) players are voting him for mayor for no apparent reason, shouldn't your first instinct be to call that suspicious (i.e. scummy), even if it is derpy?

But your particular phrasing is based on the assumption that these players must have a stronger player on the team to coach them? Hermonies have 3 members, Ex-Mods have 2, and Jon has one, so that doesn't make any sense and makes it look like you have some kind of inside knowledge.

Yeah but he was town last game is what I'm saying.

Okay, so what sort of information do you expect to get and how might it make you interpret her shift on the mayor thing?

Also what do you think about Aziraphale?

Yeah, how do you interpret that comment from Riley?

I'm not so sure. What do you think about fontisian's change of heart on being mayor?

Also I don't quite get your vote on Aekiel. Walk me through your reasoning?

 

Because this:

is not an adequate description of why he's voting for me and it reeks of putting a vote down that generally means nothing to appear like he's trying to scum hunt when in reality this was his last post to date and he's not responded at all to anything since. The combined factors of stupid post and no response is my reason for voting for him. I want him to respond to my answers.

 

1-He didn't seem town on Day 1 last game is what I mean.

2-Links to other players, scum-tells in posts, role-flips from Asylum kills, etc. (Also, rolefishing?) Obviously, I can't tell you how I would interpret information I don't have yet.

3-From what I know of his meta, it's unlike Azira to be so quiet in the early game. I'd like to see more before coming down on one side or the other.

 

@Rubicon: Further explanation: I honestly would have let it go as just him attempting to put pressure on me to do some info-fishing but the fact that there's been no response whatsoever in about 7-ish hours is a bit weird. I can give him the fact that he's traveling in the US but 7 hours and not one response of any kind? Really?

 

Riley, you missed my question about fontisian.

In short, fontisian's change of heart is "interesting" but you can't tell me what's interesting about it until you get a better idea who scum is, but you also can't tell me how knowing who scum is would make it interesting, and really when you said "interesting" you just meant "I'm keeping my eye on her, ha ha".

Can you see how this sounds like you just grabbed onto something other people were saying which you didn't 100% understand to (1) look like you were doing something, and (2) cast vague suspicion in her direction without committing to anything?

 

Ah, sorry about that Rubicon: regarding Fontisian: the take back on Mayor seems to simply be a derp but it's telling because of the people who latched on to it. I'm not sure but to me it almost seemed like it might have been slightly intentional to give her scum-buddies something to poke, but that might just be my paranoia talking.

 

@Rubicon: I'll admit that my phrasing was poor. I do, however, object to the accusation that I merely wanted to look like I was doing something. Anyway, I'll try again: at the minute there are several possible interpretations of font's withdrawal. As the game progresses some of these will be closed off. At the moment, however, it's hard to find a pattern with so few points of reference. In any case, I'm presently more concerned with the lack of activity from Seratin, Jwlk and Rents. Oh, and Kalas.

 

Err, kind of forgot about this after the Mayor vote. Didn't realize I had not posted for close to twenty-four hours of a day-phase. Well, that and a lengthy sleep, but that was enjoyable, so myee~h.

Give me a bit to re-read the last few pages at least, if you would.

 

I was horribly derping by quickposting before bed and after several drinks.

Sorry I haven't posted in a day and a half, I was out of the house the whole time

Kalas: thanks for the defense, but rl has calmed down enough that I've got the time to focus on this game.

honestly none of the people with votes seem scummy enough to kill yet, but I keep getting the feeling some people are more defensive than they need to be with how little pressure is on them.

Wetnurse's anger though actually seems sorta town/not!Hermonie. it's just all... indignant and sad. there's not much actual defensiveness there, just wanting to be understood.

 

Okay, I'm back. Got distracted by hanging out with Ashaya yesterday and have still only mostly recovered from it.

Riley: I was intending to pressure you over the course of yesterday, but as I said, distracted. You replied adequately anyway. Enough that I can now quite happily justify my lynch vote on you.

In short, your readwall is stupid in every single way. The only definite scumreads you have are on me, mostly because I put a lynch vote on you, and Rents because he's derpidle. For someone who claims to have put a lot of time into this, you're telling me that you can't decide on anyone but the one who attacked you and person with a single relevant post that's still almost half jokes?

That, on top of the slip in your first post (saying you'd make a terrible candidate for town) makes me think that up until your readwall you were trying to get by on not saying much of importance. Also, post #71 could be construed as you trying to limit the pool of roles that would want to become Mayor (i.e. roles that could survive a nightkill).

After the readwall it's just one long line of you explaining that your vote was basically NO U.

Given that there are 6 people that could survive a nightkill on night one (the MattSilver, the Palindrome, the jwlk and a KaiBOT or Mishie's targets). If the Mayor then takes a nightkill and survives, he becomes an instant target for the jwlk. This is not a good thing and it's distinctly possible that your mentioning it was an attempt to limit the pool for the Ex-Mods.

So, I'm quite happy to leave my vote on you at this point.

In other news, it's interesting how many people are piling on the Virawagon with nobody stepping up to defend her. I agree that she looks fairly scummy, but it strikes me as odd that the only thing that could be construed as even a soft defence is Caesar's post 144.

Caesar: If you had to decide right now what alignment Vira was (town or scum), which would you pick?

tl;dr - I think Riley is scum, Vira probably is too. They're on different teams. I'll happily settle for Vira getting lynched and Riley being stuck in the Asylum though. There are a few links between him and others players, while only Caesar has shown any links to Vira.

 

Hmm. A lot of her early posts were content-lite, as people have already mentioned and that does fit her scum-meta. She's been somewhat non-committal and reluctant to scumhunt unless pushed. If I had to call it... scum. I will note, however, that Riley and Rents are at least as scummy to me.

 

Mhm. There are three scum teams though, so just because one person could be scum doesn't mean the others are innocent.

 

Meant to add that I would support a lynch on any of the three.

 

Whoops, sorry. Let me fix that.

Lynch Vote:
Vira (2+2) – Rubicon; Menace; Lucky (Deadline); Wetnurse (Deadline).
Riley (2) – Aekiel; Azira.
Rents (0+2) – Stojil (Deadline); Caesar (Deadline).
Fontisian (0+1) – Vira (Deadline).
Jwlk (0+1) – Sesc (Deadline).
Caesar (0+1) – Font (Deadline).
Aekiel (0+1) – Riley (Deadline).

Alright, all caught up.

Moving on:

The difference between Rents and Jwlk is that Jwlk hasn't been obviously stupid. He's been lurking hardcore, and that's what's making him suspicious. Rents has been derpy to the point of trolling. He's been posting, but he hasn't seemed like he's paying attention. However, he has a RL excuse, so I'm not sure how much I can judge.

Wetnurse isn't suspicious by himself, it's the other players flocking to him that makes me raise an eyebrow. However, when Wetnurse snapped at Klackerz on the previous page, that ailed my suspicions somewhat. I don't think a scum player would get defensive like that (in a frustrated, emotional way). Back to your question, I don't know. It's the first day, I haven't played mafia for over a year, so maybe those players who voted for Wetnurse have played with him before or know things about his playing-style that I don't. Either way, I don't think Wetnurse is someone we have to deal with today.

Five out of six scum roles have teammates, only the Jon doesn't, so why doesn't it make sense? Have you never been on a scum team before?

Aekiel, you say this:

But then you say:

So, you say it's strange so many people are jumping on the bandwagon to lynch me, but then you jump on it in the same post. That's rather faulty logic, don't you think?

 

You've mistaken two separate statements for a logical fallacy. You can put together what he meant based on your own statements above. I'm feeling this is going beyond mere derp.

 

I said it was strange that you had so many detractors. I didn't say that meant you were innocent. The possibility of bussing is there, as well as you being the Jon or having protection from lynches. Otherwise there is the possibility of your scumbuddy(ies) being idle, or simply of them (which is still the majority of players) not interacting with you for fear of being linked.

And as I said before, there's more than one scum team. Could be that you're the Jon or and Ex-Mod and the Hermonies are trying to get you lynched.

 

@Aekiel: That slip you're talking about was fixed, you'll notice I made two mistakes. If you really want to go that route I can tell you right now its not the smartest path. If I had just made one mistake I'd understand.

As for my reads taking a lot of time, I never said anything of the sort.

Also how strong a conviction do you expect me to have without any kind of information beyond what I can deduce from the internet? Of course I'm not going to have strong feelings about a lot plyers due to that. However you'll notice I've made further posts regarding scum thoughts. The problem is I can't act on any till a lunch occurs or more info is given out.

You're really barking up the wrong tree dude, I can guaran-fucking-tee that.

Plus its only you and azira focused on me, how do o know you aren't tag teaming to throw me under the bus due to an honest grammar mistake?

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