And I didn't just "no u" I gave a reason. Read harder man.

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@ Stojil of course

 

Yes, I disagree at the moment, simply because voting for you wasn't the only thing he did and because there's a decent (mostly unsaid) explanation behind his one-line about you, which, considering your answer, you either missed or are ignoring (and no, I won't say it before he does).

"NO U" isn't intended as just saying "NO U" literally. It's accusing the guy who accused you, usually but not necessarily with scummy reasoning.

 

Well yes Mafia 101 did enter my thoughts Riley. Then I thought about it a little more and realized that that made zero sense.

You were 2 votes short of a Lynch, which means any scum team minus the Jon could have made it happen. So lets look at this:

1) You are scum so they didn't want you lynched. If true, most likely a Hermonie.

2) You are town and scum, for whatever reason they didn't decide to vote you despite it being perfectly reasonable to do so. Lets explore this a little further:

2a) Your town and some of them were voting for you. Now not only do they have to repeat their suspicion of you, they have to go into more depth. Or back off. Either way leaving themselves open to potential gaps in their reasoning/getting more of a read on them based on a detailed post. Not the best situation.

2b) Your town and they were defending you. Personally I can't think of anyone but same issues as above.

2c) Your town and they were indifferent to you. Reasonable approach but if anyone caught them thread lurking near end of Day they'd be in for some very awkward question.

3) Your Town. The Hermonies decided to make an Outrage play and the other scum left you alone/town is the laziest in history. klackerz made a brilliant play in response.

You seem to believe some form of 2 is in play where that doesn't make sense. All that ends up with is a no-lynch Day 1 something that, while bad for town, is still bad for scum. 1 more town power role then there needs to be.

Personally I find 3) and 1) about equally likely due to the fact that Outrage play this early could be deadly while the possibility of you being derp scum can't be ignored.

Also noted: you consider your survival and town getting tied up about it the next day a 'good' circumstance.

The fact that your response to my pressure is a NO U and misrepresenting Stojil's post is very amusing and a continuation of your scummy behavior. You're spot on my short list stays exactly the same.

 

Whatever, if you really wanna lynch me for surviving a night, go ahead, that's your perogative. I never said it was a good circumstance for town to get tied up in this though. I had hoped we could look at the rest of the players and try to find a good target, but if the fact I survived means you still want to lynch me then continue with that dogged perserverance and maybe I will be lynched. I can tell you though, that it won't help town any bit at the current time. All I ask is that you use reasons other than "herp derp, he's acting scummy,". If you want to lynch me, point to a post or two and explain exactly why it's scum. If it's a post regarding my previous "no u" or anything defending myself, maybe you should sit back and realize that I'm having to fend off multiple accusations, at least one-two of which I felt lacked any real reasoning, sound or otherwise.

@Stojil: I put the deadline vote for Kalas because I feel that pushing for a lynch that was already attempted, and which won't get NEW information in most circumstances since things change once a night occurs and people die/live is highly suspicious. The fact that you completely ignored that in the face of "Oh Riley, you derp. Why are you acting like this," is a bit concerning. I guess I missed the bit about the one-liner, maybe you should clue me in? Either of you.

In fact, tell me exactly what new information we as town would get with a lynch put through on me at this point?

I would go through the same reasoning no matter who the lynch was put on, even if it wasn't myself.

I repeat again, I am town, this is a stupid road to go down. No matter how much I may seem scum, I am still town. You can push as hard as you want, both of you, but in the end, me dead is a bad thing, I can't reiterate that enough. If it's a scum move to do so, then fuck it becasue I'm still saying it.

in before: "Sure you're town" sarcastic stupid bullshit.

tl;dr: can we please look at others, like Rents, who despite claiming town wanted the Klackerz to make a decision, or maybe Azira who jumped thread as soon as the lynch vote on me went off like a runaway train.

Rescind vote

 

@Riley: I'm thinking that if playing like this makes you seem scummy every game, then perhaps you should change your play style.

Reading through your last post the impression I get is one of frustrated town, kinda like Wetnurse on day one. On the other hand, this is pretty much the only post of yours I don't find scummy. You're also building a ton of strawmen and attacking them, which just makes your arguments look weak and scummy. Try reading Kalas' posts and understanding them, rather than just seeing them as an attack on you.

@Stojil: Damn it. Knew I was missing something on that list. I think I wrote that one off because it was instant activation, not part of the night phases, therefore it should have gone off in a separate announcement.

Also based on the likelihood of the Jon using his oneshot uber powerful kill this early in the game.

Riley: Give me the reasoning for your scumteams that you helpfully didn't provide yesterday. Post #202.

 

Tell me that doesn't read exactly how I said it did.

That's the beauty of the Asylum. We can pursue multiple targets.

As for posts, myself and others have pointed them out previously. Your multiple posts formatted like something with content but containing nothing, you not throwing down a Mayor vote which could be forgetfullness or it could be derp!scum trying not to get tied to any kind of voting record, you not posting any kind of lynch Vote (more record avoidance), your no U post and this final one where I can't tell if you honestly think like this or you're making a Hail Mary for too derp to be scum.

To be clear here the fact that you weren't lynched is NOT Townfirming despite your belief otherwise. Scenario 1 and 3 from my previous post aren't even mutually exclusive.

The assumption that we won't get new information is naive or misleading. As of now all the information we got off of you was that scum were not willing to hammer.

The fact that your cracking over exactly 2 accusations that you consider baseless is, again, not townfirming.

Saying you are town is not townfirming.

Some town deaths can hurt but we are the only faction where a death isn't The Worst Thing. In fact we're the only faction where someone dying can actively contribute to our win. Defend yourself yes, but a town player going in with the goal of Not Dying is actively contributing to scum.

Bringing up other potential scum/building a case is actually good. Going 'Here are other potential scum, you guys please go look at them instead of me. Please.' is not. One is scumhunting. The other is deflecting.

 

As promised:


Well, interesting that Rubicon (eido) died after making two readwalls.

jwlk is pretty uninteresting so lets focus on Rubicon and the people Eido + Rubi fingered (I understand that since it was switched we should treat them as two people, but I think its important to analyze both sides of the Eidocon entity.)

Eido fingered; Font, me, Vira, Jwlk. Read Jon, Sesc, Stojil as town.

Rubicon concurred about me and Vira, added Caesar to the scum list and Luckylee to the town list.

I think its safe to assume that there is a Hermonie in these names. Not just the ones fingered as scum, all of them mentioned. Not just because of statistical likleyhood but by the pure fact that Rubicon is dead. Any time a producting member of scumhunting has died on day 1, be sure that he hit some scum nerves.


Stojil, Vira, Jon, if you had to pick a Hermonie from all the people mentioned by eido/rubicon, who would you pick? Would you pick more then one? Would they also be hermonies or another scum faction?

 

I agree, so I’ll go through this quickly.
1. I thought Menace was criticizing my plan in general, without bothering to outline his problems with it.
2. You’ll notice that in my first post about my plan, I phrased it as a question, because I was never completely sure it was a good idea. The post you were looking at was a clarification of the idea that I wanted commentary on. If it sounded stronger, it’s only because I was irritated with Menace.
3. I don’t consider the last bit to be giving up. I consider it a request for some actual discussion.
4. Of course I made a qualifying statement. If I hadn’t, then people might have gone with the plan without thinking, screwed town over and then turned around to blame me for proposing it.
Moving on.

Luckylee:

Normal useless first post.

Delaying the decision to vote.

Then he votes without any reason, despite stating earlier that he would wait for some posts before voting.

Luckylee then votes for Aekiel after saying that we shouldn't vote for Aekiel.

Luckylee then puts pressure on Vira, a bit of a No U gesture as Vira was the only one pressuring him.

This is probably Lucky's best post so far, and it's still pretty bad. His main case against Vira is still a NO U, leaves lots of room for backtracking, and he implies a Rents/Sesc scum team without ever following up on it. The worst bit is the sentence about Wetnurse and myself. Perhaps rolefishing is the wrong word, but it seem to be role speculation from a non-town viewpoint.

Another defensive post to my pressure, which admittedly was poorly worded.

Night kill speculation (ok) with some more pressure on Vira (good). Then Lucky proclaims the bandwagon on Riley to be scummy without giving any reasons or putting down anymore thoughts about it.

The derp seems genuine.

tl:dr Luckylee has posted a lot, but has said next to nothing, is overly defensive and speculated on roles from what looks to be a non-town pov. The initial contradictory posts look bad, and the rest looks worse.
Deadline Vote: Luckylee

Lucky: Please give me three scum reads besides Vira, with your reasoning, and expand on the point about the Riley bandwagon.

 

Of the people Eido and Rubicon mentioned, I read Font as definite scum. I also agree with Eido that she’s probably the Eidolonic. Other people that could be scum: you, Jwlk, Caesar, Sesc, and Lucky.

Font: I’ve repeated my suspicions about her enough. Her behavior is fishy, and her arguments don’t hold weight. Ex-Mods, I’m thinking.

Azira: Back in day one, I categorized you with Jwlk, someone who lurked and barely posted at all. I can barely recall your previous posts, you’ve had little impact on the discussions so far. I’d assign you to the Hermiones or the Ex-Mods.

Jwlk: To be honest, if he were scum, I expect he would have posted more. People are saying that Jwlk lurks when he’s scum, but this went beyond lurking to just not interested. Did he post at all in the second phase of last day? I don’t know what was going on with him, but he’s dead now, so I won’t get answers anytime soon. If he were scum, he might have been the Jon.

Caesar: What do I say about this guy? There’s something weird about his posts (unhelpful, I know), so I’m keeping him at the back of my mind. No idea what scum team he could be on.

Sesc: He survived day one, so suspicion automatically falls on him. If he doesn’t die tonight (because he gets an asylum choice on day three), then I may have to look at him more closely. Of the scum teams, he could only be a Hermione.

Lucky: I’ve backed up a bit about my suspicions on Lucky since he’s posted more often, but I’ll put him here anyways. I don’t know what to think of him, his posts indicate that he’s not paying close attention which suggest town (scum would pay attention), but I don’t know.

 

I'm not gonna be defensive against the one of the scummiest people out there. I've already explained my Aekiel mayor vote, I was meh for Sesc being mayor and Klackerz wasn't active enough to to realistically become mayor. Aekiel was Scum Mayor in DLP Hunt 1 IIRC so Rents immeditley voting him in was suspicious as hell, but meh Sesc was just as bad. Scum reads? Fonts, Azira, Wetnurse, and Rents atm. Azira posted very little about mayor Sesc and has just stuck to lurking not seemingly suspicious. Your attacking everyone in a defense game since your probably scum after you little mayor shenanigans with Wetnurse earlier.

 

No, fuck that. In what way does my scumminess affect my arguments against you? There are three scum factions. Even if I were scum, you could be scum on another team. You did not explain you reads on Wetnurse and Rents, and your explanations for me and Azira were frankly pathetic. I don't remember attacking anyone except you, and I will absolutely continue to do so if you don't give an adequate response to my question.

 

What did you want me to post about Mayor Sesc, I wonder? I voted for him, I like who he went with in the Asylum, I have no problems with him.

 

Riley: the bit you missed when it was left unsaid, you also missed it when Kalas slapped you in the face with it. The zero good circumstances for you being still alive wasn't about the night-kills, it was about the failed lynch. You could have argued that's not "zero", but you just failed to read (or faked it).

I disagree with this, as in with the certainty that that's what's happened. It could be, but it's far from the only possible explanation. You're oversimplifying it to a dangerous (scummy) point. But, assuming that's the correct interpretation, it only works for the Hermonies, which are the ones who have killed him (99%). In a vacuum, I could pick any of the people mentioned almost indiscriminately, myself included, almost each one being positively affected by Rubicon's death for different reasons. In this game and with all things considered, I'd say Sesc and either Caesar or Luckylee, maybe. Let's add you for the simple WINE of asking this question.

By the way, Azira, don't lie. You had promised something different (a readwall) than what you did.

 

Stojil; I'm not really happy with you throwing questions to people left and right but when being asked some you throw some names without anything to back them up. Of course I could be wrong but for the sake of the arguement, pretend I am not Also, I'm not wrong.

We're still post night phase, are we not? The day is long, Stojil, have patience.

 

The reason is your attacking me to deflect off you who has been playing way scummier than me this whole game. But I'll bite, Rents has been derping the whole fucking game, but considering thats par the course I can't really be sure about him. As for Wetnurse? Either she soft claimed which makes no sense for a town player to do this early on, or scum. She equally flip flopped her votes yet I see you saying nothing to her whose reasons have been pure meta gaming. Also you tried to revive the wagon on Wetnurse after she clearly wanted to bow out, without giving anything against the other mayor candidates. Which is suspicious and makes me think you two share scum QT

As for lurking and posting very little content? Thats classic scum tells, and all of Azira's post including his post about mayor Sesc were so careful to not offend anyone. Rereading the thread has made me somewhat rethink you being scum, but your actions with Wetnurse and earlier on are still off for town. You've spent more time giving lynch votes or calling other people out than reasonably proving your town is pretty defensive.

 

@ Aekiel: I can't change how I post, unless I want to change how I think. Sorry.

As for your question:

If you just want names, right now im looking at Azira, kalas, fonti for the hermonies, sesc and help(supposed to be Jwlk) for the exmods and Jon as the Jon. Reasons coming when I get to a computer.

Azira: Gave a ridiculous reason for his lynch on me in my opinion. His recent post didn't change much, gave away very little opposed from already known town knowledge. With the number of people "fingered" the chance one is a Hermonie is too high to think otherwise so pointing it out seems to add content when really it doesn't.

Kalas: Last time it was simple gut feeling combined with the meta reasoning for my lynch that led me to think scum. Still hasn't changed since there are far more viable targets to choose from but he insists on pointing the finger at me. Why not Rents or Azira, at least of whom made the dumbest post I've seen, (Most useless town? Really?)

Fontisian: Mostly the "I wanna be mayor, lol no I don't". That and again gut feeling due to over-townishness. I can't tell if that's just overzealousness or scum trying to be town, I went with my gut.

Sesc: Was meh about being Mayor and then took off after it looked like he'd win. Now he's mayor and while he does post, I feel like a Mayor would be more invested in town and pushing votes and thoughts forward rather than squirreling his thoughts away. He's posted a grand total of twice since the night phase which could be attributed to work I suppose and time zones but the second readwall is entirely against Fonti. So I ruled out same team, but he's such a smart player sometimes that it made me uneasy. Hence Ex-mods.

Jwlk: I was entirely unhappy with Jwlk's posting and still am. However the fact that he's in the Asylum is a little bit of a damper on my Scum read. It could be a play to show that he's town but I don't think so at all.

Vira: Throwing thoughts around in a very unrefined manner. Combined with the posts from today however and it seems to me like over-excited town. I'm not quite as sure with him. But with the similarity to Sesc in vehemence at Fontisian's scumminess I left him in here as an ex-mod

Jon: His lackadaisical attitude combined with his promise to kill someone makes me think he's either extremely aggressive town and doesn't care about defense because no one seems to be accusing him of anything or he's the Jon and really doesn't care for the most part as long as no one's accusing him

 

What "backing up" do you expect? I don't get it. Everyone could have gained something from Rubicon's death, even Vira who is the one he tunnelled on. I said Sesc because I think he's scummy, anyway, Caesar/Luckylee because they were soft-accused by Rubicon without being his primary target and you because of the WINE aspect of this question. That better?

 

Luckylee: That's better, thank you.

Or I think you're scum. One or the other.

Wetnurse meant that he is not usually killed early on, and I don't understand how people can think he meant anything else. The post could be considered suspicious because how much Wetnurse wanted the mayor role, but your point is invalid. I could take a closer look at her, but I don't see how my lack of interactions with her contributes to your argument. Could you expand on the flipflopping, perhaps by pointing out specific posts?

You seriously think I would try to revive a mayor bandwagon on a scummate, just after they had bowed out? He left because he wasn't getting any support, something that was changed by me giving him support. If I was actually on a scum team with him and trying to help him become mayor, I would have supported him before he dropped out.

Again, specifics. What parts of Azira's posts are so careful?

I'm not sure what you're saying here, so I'm going to assume that you're saying I have been attacking people (read: you) too aggressivly as a defensive technique and not defending myself enough. That's crazy because I feel I have wasted too many words defending myself instead of pressuring people.

Riley: You do realize that jwlk is dead, right?

 

Ah yes I reread it now. But most of the responses were for the last day.

 

People keep calling me out about that for some reason, but I don't see it. I said I didn't want to be hyper, but that doesn't equate to not participating/being careful. Oh well.