The jwlk are you talking about, Aekiel? There's no such thing as an Asylum lynch. There's an Asylum kill, and that isn't mentioned as activating the Fenraellis anywhere.

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Hahaha, my phone autocorrected hell to jwlk. Nice.

 

Semantics, and yes it does.

Is that a bit of panic I detect in your words?

 

Nice one, Aekiel.

I'm going to vote to kill Vira in a second, unless someone wants to explain that it's a bad idea.

 

Aekiel, I barely understand what you're saying. So if a no-lynch doesn't count as a mislynch, you want to 'sacrifice' both Menace and I to see if the Fen kill will go off, to 'prove' our loyalties.

Okay, a) Menace's loyalties will be proven depending on Stojil's role flip, and b) this assumes the Fen is alive. Rubicon could have been the Fen for all we know.

What happens if the Fen is dead, Aekiel?

 

My reasons for waiting for others to post to Lynch was for scum tells Sesc. I didn't see your post asking me to explain about Vira tbh, but Asylum killing her would confirm my suspicions. But I'll admit my evidence is shaky at best and scummy at worst :/ It's just gut and her post feeling off. Waiting for others to post had nothing to do with Vira.

 

My only argument against Rents is he seems like the Shcrodinger of this game. He honestly just strikes me as a massive derp. He's probably trying to play this game when he's really too busy to give it his normal attention. That's the impression I've got from him.

I am fairly certain Wetnurse isn't lying, but I do not like plans that sacrifice potential townies unnecessarily. We can get confirmation of Wetnurse's claim tomorrow and lynch accordingly. If there is no other alternative Menace works, but I would rather wait.

Although I want it to be clear. Even if Menace or Stojil or whatever become a sure lynch tomorrow, scumhunting does not end. So please don't drop in the thread to vote and leave.

FakeEdit: Aekiel's plan is not terrible. It does have issues though.
1. the Fen could be dead. (literally or metaphorically)
2. The information is less reliable.
The only reason I would consider going with it is because there are 6 votes on Menace, and that -might- be the only option when it comes down to it. I would still put Stojil in the Asylum, though.

On that note, I reiterate, where the fuck is Fen?

 

Nah, it's a bit of me getting mad that people aren't reading the rules. Turns out I was wrong this time around, though.

It still isn't a good idea, though, for the same reason that I said lynching me and then Asylum killing Stojil is a bad idea. Your plan will only bring it about faster. On the bright side you'll get a Fen kill, which can kill Wetnurse even if he is the jwlk, but it's a pretty big waste. Also, you're assuming the Fen is alive. What happens if he isn't? You're fucked.

The plan of Asyluming Stojil or me and then Asylum killing the next day has no such reliance. It'll tell us who's scum guaranteed, one way or another.

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That was directed at Aekiel, of course

 

Fishy: That's the same impression Rents gave last game, when he was scum.

Why is everyone assuming Vira is town?

 

Mostly because killing me without the role flip is stupid. If town somehow benefited from it, I wouldn't be making such a fuss about it.

 

I suggested the plan directly after Wetnurse's claim. I have since conceded that switching from Menace at this point is very unlikely, however.

If Wetnurse is a liar I blame myself for not following through and pushing another wagon earlier today.

Would you follow Aekiel's plan, then, Sesc? Kill Vira and maybe get a Fen kill?

 

Why is everyone assuming I'm scum?

I sure like being sacrificed for a role who may not be alive anymore. I don't think anyone cares whether I'm town or not anymore, so whatever. This game was getting kind of stressful anyways.

 

Deadline Lynch Vote: Menace

I will free Vira or kill her. I'm leaning towards free/incarcerate, but if folks like Aekiel's plan, sure.

 

Okay, let's lay it out simply.

Plan 1[/b
Incarcerate Vira.
Lynch non-Menace/Stojil player.
Irene puts Stojil or Menace in the Asylum.
We Asylum lynch whoever is in the Asylum out of Menace/Stojil.
If he flips scum, we then lynch the non-Asylum person.
If he flips town, we lynch Wetnurse.
If he flips town, we lynch someone else and put Wetnurse in the Asylum, on the assumption that he's the Jwlk.

The pros of this plan are the (theoretical) scumhunting we could do between now and the final lynch, meaning we don't tunnel on Wetnurse's claim. We also sacrifice only one possible town player to confirm Wetnurse's alignment.

The cons are that we have very little information going for us at this time. If it turns out that Wetnurse is telling the truth, we're essentially leaving prime scum candidates around for a night and hoping we don't hit the Palindrome/Jwlk. We also don't learn anything about Vira, despite her scummy gameplay on Day One and pre-Wetnurse Day Two.

Plan 2
Wait for Lungs to confirm whether no lynch counts towards the mislynch counter.
If it turns out no, we move on to plan 1 or 3.
If it turns out yes we:
Incarcerate Vira.
Lynch Menace.
Irene puts Stojil in the Aslyum.
If the Fenraellis fires during the night, he targets Wetnurse.
a) If Wetnurse survives, we put him in the Asylum.
b) If Wetnurse dies, we move on to scumhunting.
If the Fenraellis does not fire during the night we Asylum lynch Stojil.
If Stojil flips town, we lynch Wetnurse.
If Stojil flips scum, we move on to scumhunting.

Pros of this plan are that we can potentially confirm whether Wetnurse is telling the truth (with a reasonable amount of doubt, I think) before night happens, which can affect a lot of night actions, especially the info gathering roles, since they'll be better placed to spot connections. We also get to test whether Wetnurse is a protected role or not on Night Two, should it turn out that Menace was town and the Fen fires.

And last but not least, we only sacrifice one town role if Wetnurse turns out to be scum.

Cons are that the Fenraellis might be dead and we have little way of knowing beforehand. Another possibility is that the Fenraellis is in the OTP with an Ex-Mods or the Jon. It also relies on Lungs turning up ASAP.

Plan 3
We lynch Vira, see what she flips as.
If she flips scum, we abandon this plan in its entirety and go back to Plan 1, assuming we have time enough left to lynch someone else.
If she flips town, we lynch Menace.
Irene puts Stojil in the Asylum.
If the Fenraellis fires, he targets Wetnurse (determining whether Wetnurse has a protected role or not).
If the Fenraellis doesn't fire, we Asylum lynch Stojil, discovering his role in the process. We should do this early, since Asylum lynch is determined as soon as majority is reached.
We then move on to scumhunting, using the info we now have on Wetnurse, Stojil and Menace.

Pros of this are that we don't have to wait on Lungs. If Vira flips scum we can safely go back to Plan 1, knowing that we've got one confirmed scum kill and can happily go on to Asylum lynching Stojil to see whether Wetnurse is lying or not. It's also the greatest rewards in the shortest period, meaning that if Wetnurse is telling the truth/the Fen is alive, we get two scum kills by Day Three and can move on to scumhunting with the minimum of fuss.

Cons of this plan are that we may potentially lose two townies today, if Wetnurse turns out to be scum. A lot of this relies on the Fenraellis as well, so if he turns out to be dead, we may even be lynching three town roles for no scum kills. Big risk, bit big pay off.

I'm willing to take risks, so I'd go with Plan 2 first (assuming we can get Lungs in here), followed by Plan 3. I'm not hot on Plan 1 because Stojil came up with it, but there are contingencies in place in each plan so that if Plans 1 & 3 fail, we can use Plan 1 as the backup.

 

Vira: The thing is, both plans rely on the Irene being alive to incarcerate someone. I don't get why you are complaining about the possibility of the Fen being dead, without considering the Irene.

Do any of the people voting to kill Vira want to explain the case against her?

 

If you guys lynch me and don't Asylum kill Vira, you're fucking retarded. That's literally the only way killing me right now makes even the slightest bit of sense, because of the Fenraellis activation.

So with that thought, Asylum Kill:Vira.

 

Stojil: Did Aekiel's plan change your mind about this?

 

Plan 3 is the only one that relies on both you and Vira being lynched today, since it's the one that requires the Fenraellis to activate. It's also the default plan for me if Lungs doesn't show up. Otherwise we go with Stojil's plan, which rankles on a lot of levels, especially since scum!Stojil would have a gambit up his sleeve to along with that plan.