Or the DE and/or the Ministry's was stronger.

 

The idea that "Dumbledore knows best" and is to be trusted in his excuses is laughable. His plans are choke-full of flaws and his actions leave a lot to be desired. So, basing anything on his excuses is not a worthwhile argument, especially if it's all assumptions. There is no proof at all that Harry actually was in danger as a child once the Lestranges were locked away and the rest of the Death Eaters played nice (leaving them free and alive, of course, is another failure of Dumbledore. For a guy leading an illegal vigilante organisation, he surely took bad moments to suddenly care about the law.)

 

Man, let's hope that you guys don't write anything, it would be bad.

 

I was mostly just joking (about leaving the thread that is--Durskaban is truly egregious). This thread, on the other hand, is a glorious train wreck. If I stopped reading this, I'd need to start reading YouTube comments to find such amusingly baffling attempts at logic.

 

I know, what you mean, I met all kinds of kooks there.

 

Are you guys doing a really meta HP version of the Dead Parrot sketch? Or are you just not reading anyone else's posts, Starfox?

 

What? The Order? An illegal vigilante organization? I'm pretty sure it wasn't illegal, and they worked closely with the aurors on several occasions.
I don't think anyone is saying that Dumbledore knows best. I think people are saying we have no reason to disbelieve his excuse, and the idea that he is evil is ridiculous. Certainly many of his actions were, in retrospect, not the best actions to take, but none of his actions were worse than his inaction would have been. Literally none of them.

 

When we're talking about Monty Python...

 

Taure simply says "I believe Dumbledore's excuses", and then constructs his arguments based on the information Dumbledore gives Harry.

I see no reason at all to believe Dumbledore in the first place - he is trying to make himself look good in Harry's eyes when he gives his excuses. And if one checks his actions, it leaves such a lot to be desired, I cannot understand why anyone would believe him at all, given how stupid he acted over the years.

His "7 Potters" approved plan is a study in stupidity in itself. Plus his waste of his last year alive to teach Harry over days what he could have learned in a few hours, tops, about Tom's life. And even more mistakes he made, in each and every book.

Why on earth would anyone believe that man knows what he is doing?

 

Which all brings us back to:

Now that you've openly admitted it, we can let it rest.

 

Yeah, Dumbledore is obviously an incompetent because he isn't omnipotent. Dumbledore did the best he could in many very difficult situations. Voldemort wasn't a cartoon villain, he was a genius who had infiltrated and basically took over the local government.

His plans didn't always go perfectly, but the end game was Voldemort's defeat. And considering how that went, I'd say Dumbledore did pretty alright.

Now considering canon, if you honestly think Dumbledore would have Harry suffer for no reason, you're an idiot.

 

Oh god, I have so many good pictures/gifs to use for you right now. This will have to suffice.

 

Because his plans worked in canon.

Fan fiction is where people make scenarios where things don't work according to plan and there are many stories where these situations happen. However in canon, based on the information given to us and the results that were achieved, it's difficult to say that the plan was bad and only resulted in Harry's unhappiness.

 

Nope, he is just a bad war time leader.

If he hadn't been a cartoon villain, Harry would've been dead in book 1.

Only because of all these deus ex culo in the books 6 & 7.

Dumbledore is not evil, he's just inept.

Only because of all these deus ex culo in the books 6 & 7.

 

Except he isn't, because his plan worked.

Except in Book 1 Harry still had his mothers protection.

Except if he was a bad "war time" leader, they would've lost.

 

Honestly, just stop. The more you and that other guy post, the more you prove yourselves to be out of your depth when it comes to this conversation, and perhaps the board as a whole. You don't understand how to back up your arguments with logic or facts. Whatever else you say, your argument hinges on the notion that, for some reason randomly, Dumbledore is (as Taure notes) lying to Harry, that he's an disreputable source. But here's the thing, aside from the notion of the Dursley's and blood protection, can you think of a single instance where Dumbledore straight up lies to Harry (that you can back up with canon fact, not speculation)? Because I can't.

 

With enough Plot no Jutsu and Deus ex machina EVERYTHING works.

Levitate a stone with "Wingardium Leviosa" over his head, splat, "boy who has been squashed" or something like that.

They did, and if it were not for this "mother's protection", which no-one predicted, they would've been fucked.

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Me claiming that Dumbledore lied to Harry? You brakin up the wrong tree, cause I didn't say that.

 

Eh, you and Starfox are basically the same in my mind, frankly.

What you call Deus Ex Machina some could just call a solid grasp of the situation and foresight, but you know. Whatever, dude.

 

If by "inept" you mean his actions were more often then not far from the best actions he could have taken, then I agree wholeheartedly.
But literally none of his actions were worse then his inaction would have been.
edit: In fact his biggest failing is that he so often chose inaction, due to an established character flaw, and fear of doing the wrong thing.

 

Holy hell. I'm just waiting for someone to post that Dumbledore also knew all along the location of the Chamber of Secrets and that Sirius was innocent, but it was all kept secret to test his pawn.

First bold: Disagree. His plans were so flawless that he lead Harry's every action from beyond the grave to ultimate victory. His only failure was in OotP when he ignored Harry and kept him in the dark. If he had said something Sirius would have lived, and he admits this failure to Harry. 99% of his plans seem to achieve what he wants despite any bumps in the road.

Second bold: How is that Dumbledore's failure? We have been shown multiple times that Dumbledore isn't someone who kills people. Even in his greatest victory he left Grindelwald alive. Ordering executions would be 100% against everything he stands for.

Also keep in mind that Dumbledore didn't oversee the Death Eater trials. From his own memories and Sirius' admissions Barty Crouch Sr was the presiding judge of the trials as head of the Magical Law Enforcement. The Malfoy's walked because of corruption and bribes; there's really nothing Dumbledore can do about people believing Malfoy was under the imperius.