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Does Voldemort belive?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Lord Apophis, Jul 22, 2006.

  1. Lord Apophis

    Lord Apophis Professor

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    What do everyone think, does Voldemort belive in pureblood supremecy or is he just using purebloods to get an army to fight for him?
     
  2. Jon

    Jon The Demon Mayor Admin DLP Supporter

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    To fight for him, in reality he hates everyone and everything.
     
  3. FantasyDuck

    FantasyDuck Second Year

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    I don't think he does. As far as I can see it doesn't really matter in Deatheater circles if you are pureblood or half-blood.

    Futhermore, if Voldemort believed in pureblood supremecy, one could think that he'd treat his pureblood minions with respect, which he really doesn't.
    Also, as we know, Voldemort is half-blood himself and seems to able to live with it.

    My theory's that while Voldemort doesn't believe in pureblood supremecy, he still really hates muggles. The pureblood ideology is just way to get support from purebloods, who often are the people with money, which Voldemort lacks.
     
  4. CGB

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    I think he believes, that muggleborns and muggles are lesser than half and purebloods, but I don't think he really believes what he says to his purebloods. He's just using him.
     
  5. Master Slytherin

    Master Slytherin Headmaster

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    He's just whispering what his followers want to believe in their ears IMO. He couldn't give a fuck in reality.
     
  6. mcatrage

    mcatrage Raptured to Hell

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    just using it as a means to get what he really wants

    immortality and to be the ruler (wonder if he would stop when he conquers the wizarding world or all of england or europe? or keep on going)
     
  7. Lord Apophis

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    I think he would not stop until he is the ruler of the world, both wizarding and muggle or he is dead. He would most likley not stop until the entire world worships him as a god.
     
  8. Fuegodefuerza

    Fuegodefuerza Minister of Magic

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    While I would like to disagree with you, Apophis, I think that some of the rituals that Voldemort attempted scattered his brains. As a Hogwarts student, he was the epitome of Slytherin. Cunning, intelligent, magically powerful, had a vicious streak and had no problem breaking rules.

    However, enter Book 4 and six, and it seems that Voldemort was just a complete psycho, obliterating everyone in his path, setting giants on innocent Muggles, allowing his Death Eaters to rape/maim/loot/pillage randomly and ordering Malfoy to kill Dumbledore. WTF? That is the exact opposite characterization that I would have expected. It seems that JK has painted him out to be a psychotic megalomaniac instead of a sophisticated villian like Hannibal.
     
  9. Soulforger

    Soulforger First Year

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    Maybe the splitting of his soul had more serious consequences than he foresaw, and turned him into a psycho; the Voldemort we see now is very different from the charismatic man that gathered the Death Eaters.

    While he may believe that purebloods are preferable to halfbloods and muggleborns, and while he despises all muggles, in the end it doesn't make a difference; Voldemort doesn't care which group is best, as he doesn't believe any wizard, pureblood or otherwise, could be superior to him.

    Voldemort and his quest is not about a group, but an individual - himself.
     
  10. KANE

    KANE Groundskeeper

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    Perhaps he began as a supremicist and used these dreams to gain his power through dark magic/rituals etc. then later in life he began to just strive for power, regardless of casualties were caused.

    I'm pretty sure he at least began as a pureblood supremicist, after all, didn't he refer to his father as a 'filthy muggle' at some point, it may have been COS, when we saw him as his sixteen year old self.
     
  11. Soulforger

    Soulforger First Year

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    He definitely started as a supremacist, in fact, he never stopped being one, but that's in theory, that's the ideology he imparts to those who follow him.

    Purebloods have an economical weight most others don't have in wizarding society, and they were predisposed to follow Voldemort because he's the heir of Slytherin, but I can easily see him leading an uprising of muggleborns if it suited his purposes; he'd just have to find another excuse.

    If he believed in pureblood supremacy so strongly, he wouldn't have accepted halfbloods into his service, nor would he view a halfblood baby as the most likely to be his equal. And I believe he wouldn't think so highly of himself.
     
  12. Jheph

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    Nope, I think that he doesn’t truly believe in Pureblood supremacy in the wizarding(sp?) world. He is only using them as a means to an end.
    What I think is that he only really believes in nothing but himself; believing that he is superior to anything or anyone.
     
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  13. Athenia

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    I think he truly believes anything muggle is below the wizarding world. (That includes muggleborns and halfbloods with close ties to the muggle world.) For him personally, though, I think he knows that blood is not what determines power and furthermore his driving force is the belief that he is above everyone. He wants power and that is his main cause.
     
  14. Nenagh24

    Nenagh24 Second Year

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    I think that Voldemort believes that Muggles, Muggle-borns, and half-bloods are inferior. I also think that he believes everyone inferior but will settle for just the Muggles and such being dead first.
     
  15. Lord Apophis

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    I agree that he sees everyone as inferior to himself.

    I have read several stories were they say that Voldemort will eventually destroy all life on earth because of thinking everyone is inferior to him.

    Is Voldemort still human enough to want to rule people or has he been so corrupted so that he is just out for destruction?
     
  16. Aekiel

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    I think he's out for domination over the wizarding world and complete annihilation of the muggle world.

    I don't think he's that much of a pureblood supremist anymore, given his new body he must think himself above every other wizard/muggle in the world. He has also been seen to be very egocentric - he only cares for what affects him, without caring for anyone else.
     
  17. andiais

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    I don't think he really beleives it per se; I think he came to view muggles as filthy due to his home as a child, then finding out his father who abandoned him was a muggles, and his mother from the line of Slytherin, which people respected.

    These factors converged into an unbending hatred of all things muggles, and his self-justification that he is above all others. The Pureblood crap is to get other pureblood lines to follow him.

    He can't really believe it, he's a half-blood, and more powerful than almost all others, so he knows without doubt that blood purity is not important. He just believes he is above all others, and that is that.
     
  18. Niffler Lord

    Niffler Lord Headmaster

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    I agree with most people here. He uses the pureblood supremist ideas to get followers. He does believe that wizards of old families are better than others because that justifies his own greatness as a desendent of Slytherin. But is he fighting for Pureblood rights?

    No.

    He is interested in only one thing and one thing only. Power. Absolute power. Once he achieves what he wants then he will probably turn on the Supremists too if they step out of line. But for now he keeps them as cannon fodder.

    "There is only power and those too weak to use it."
     
  19. Kai Shek

    Kai Shek Supreme Mugwump

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    I actually think that he does believe in pureblood supremacy. He denies his heritage, not because he doesn't want his followers to know, but because he is ashamed that he himself is not pureblooded.

    In the Chamber of Secrets, he goes after Muggleborns right away. He doesn't go after some of the more powerful families, just Muggleborns or others in the way.

    He kills his father because he doesn't need anybody tracking down his heritage, same with his mothers family. At that point I don't think it was the simple fast that they had abandoned him.

    There are many things that he could have picked for an idea on starting a war with the government. He picked these Pureblood supremist ideas because, deep down, he feels the same.
     
  20. Haunted Warrior

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    As we have heard numerous times, their are very few Purebloods. Whta better society to control, if they have small numbers and all agree in the same thing?

    He just wants to control the world and as their aren't that many Purebloods, it'd be easier. The reasons it would be easier because they'd be less revolts and if their was one they'd have weaker forces, and that the purebloods have interbred so much, that their brains are so addled that they accept everything before them as fact. Like the general wizarding public.
     
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