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Dresden's Dilemma Take Two.

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Riley, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Riley

    Riley Alchemist DLP Supporter

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    Dresden's protection does not show up as a visit. All others give you something in the way of telling you that you were visited in the night. Its different text depending on who visits you.
     
  2. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    Really? You don't understand? If nobody else had claimed, there'd be no lynch on me, and there'd be a much higher chance that scum would be lynched.
     
  3. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    Zennith, describe your visited in the night flavor in general terms. (Don't copy and paste it, though, that's frowned on.)
     
  4. Jibril

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    No Lynch: Zennith
    Lynch: fontisian

    Why? Basically what Sesc wrote. The only way to be sure is to kill them both, but the scum will do the second part for us - or they will not, to sow more suspicions among us.

    Also, I hope that Marcone targets the White Court tonight, as IMO they are the more dangerous of the two.

    I off to sleep and then to work, so I will be back in about 19 hours.
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2013
  5. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    Welp, was basically told that I was visited in the night by a person who seemed like a shadow on a shadow. A second visitor arrived and chased away the first visitor.
     
  6. fontisian

    fontisian Slug Club Member

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    I'm sick to my stomach and may not post again before day end, so I might as well get this out.

    I disagree. If we we're only facing the White Court, we could usually tell who they tainted each night and use that to narrow down the court while keeping the town voting power. The White Court catching us unawares with their tainted would normally be the biggest danger, but with this game setup we would see it coming from a mile off.

    The Red Court on the other hand is actually able to kill, and while their kills narrow down the pool of suspects just like the taint, they also kill off our voting power.

    Marcone would probably most help town by going after the Whites though, because his power strips off the taint and forces the Whites to start over. All he achieves by going after the Reds is making them vulnerable to the Whites.
     
  7. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    Says the guy from the white court.
     
  8. Typhon

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    If that was the message you got, then why would you have been curious about the order things went in? I think that's pretty straightforward... I suppose it could've went the other way, but it would be illogical for the "good guys" to be described as particularly shadowy.

    ---------- Post automerged at 10:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:59 PM ----------

    Admittedly, I thought that too.
     
  9. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    I asked because there's absolutely no guarantee that the "flavor" is always accurate when it comes to Riley. That's come up as an issue before.
     
  10. fontisian

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    I'm saying the White Court is less dangerous but more beneficial for town for Marcone to use his power on. There's a distinction that important to keep in mind, especially if the Red Court is lynched before the White Court. I'm sure you can figure it out.
     
  11. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    You keep dodging talking now about the lack of flavor you claimed in your visit, by the way.
     
  12. Castiel

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    Let us assume you are Dresden. And there are 2 people with visiting ability. White King and Molly. And according to your flavor you were visited by 2 people. And the next day Jibril calls you non-human.

    Why would you even consider Jibril as non-Molly at this point?
     
  13. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    Because who the fuck actually knows what that flavor means? I honestly wasn't sure.
     
  14. Typhon

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    Touché. I guess that's a fair point.

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    I actually completely overlooked that... That's actually a pretty irrefutable point. I can see not trusting Riley's flavor to correctly interpret the sequence, but it would have to be complete bullshit for it to be so off that you didn't believe you were visited by 2 people. I still think fontisian is suspicious, but I'm open to lynching Zennith today at this point.
     
  15. Moridin

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    Honestly, I think it's a moot point. Whichever we don't lynch is certain to be NKd by the Reds tonight anyway. That said, are we sure we want to be lynching Zennith today? If he's telling the truth and is the Dresden, he could at least get one last protect off before he dies. Assuming his protect target is hit before he is, that should work.

    Fontisian has basically claimed vanilla town at this point, so her dying now or at night doesn't make much of a difference, does it now? Unless we got very lucky with Schrodinger, lynching Zennith now has no tangible benefits that I can see (in comparison to letting him die tonight or lynching him tomorrow).
     
  16. Zennith

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    My question - would you like me to keep Jibril alive, or myself alive? I can promise one or the other.
     
  17. Moridin

    Moridin Minister of Magic DLP Supporter

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    Lynch: Fontisian

    That said, let's continue discussion. Castiel, I'm somewhat happier by your posts today than yesterday, but let's move away from Zennith for a moment so we don't waste the whole of today. What's your view on Rubicon?

    Lochness hasn't been heard from in a while. Care to volunteer any updated opinions based on today's game?

    Is NobelFiction even in the game anymore?

    Zennith, outside of Fontisian, who would you vote for today and why?

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    Let's not telegraph Dresden's target, yeah? Any statements to that effect would guarantee the death of the other.
     
  18. Castiel

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    Eh, I honestly don't know if you're just stupid scum or a ridiculously stupid townie.

    That flavor means you were visited by 2 people. Three people could've been a part of flavor and one of them was you. So the other two had to be Molly and White King.

    If Zennith is scum his Dresden claim is pretty good.

    If the real Dresden comes forward, he and Molly will both die and we will definitely lose.

    And when Zennith is still alive tomorrow he will go with the "I took a calculated risk and decided to protect myself instead of Molly" route. (See the post he just made.)

    We can not verify his claim.

    font is under suspicion just because of a 'he said- she said', and in this case the 'he' is the guy who has been checked as non-human, made scummy posts yesterday and started this day with even more scummy ones.

    For now I will keep my vote on Zennith.
     
  19. Moridin

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    Just to be clear, I'm advocating killing both of them. You're right, we can't trust the Zennith roleclaim because there is no reason whatsoever for Dresden to come forward and contest it. As such, if Zennith survives the night, we lynch him tomorrow. My only reason for advocating the killing of Fontisian now is because, well, we can't really trust her either (it's similar to the Molly counterclaim scenarios we were discussing yesterday). And since we are killing both, might as well let Dresden get one last protect off.

    Also, can you answer my question please?
     
  20. Rubicon

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    Lynch: Zennith for now, because I don't want that wagon to die. At the moment I'm not inclined to accept his claim. His posts today are rubbing me the wrong way.