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Dumbledore: Manipulative or not?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Midknight, Jul 9, 2005.

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Manipulative or not?

  1. Yes he is

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  2. No, he's not

    5.2%
  1. ChuckDaTruck

    ChuckDaTruck Overlord

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    Yes, Machiavelli wrote "the Prince" as a gift for an aristocrat and everything, and in that sense Dumbledore has been VERY successful. The light side LOVES the man (canon Harry too) and Death Eaters are terrified of him.

    Unfortunately, it kind of sucks if you're the one being controlled.
     
  2. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Yeah I can see how the puppet wouldn't like the puppeteers hand up his ass too.
     
  3. Giovanni

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    I dunno... In some of the slash fics said puppet enjoys having the puppeteers hand up his ass *shudders* Saw a Dumbledore/Harry fic today... Felt ill after reading summary. Isn't it like pedophilia if ICH... Don't even wanna think about it.
     
  4. ChuckDaTruck

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    Of course its pedophilia!!

    Dumbledore is literally around ten-times his age. According to JKR magical people live to 150-200
     
  5. ChuckDaTruck

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    OKay, BOok 2


    1.) Albus Dumbledore begins when he calls Harry into his office. Midway through the year. He knows at this point that Harry is a parselmouth. He MUST be aware of all the rumors swirling through the school (if he doesn't then he's retarded.) Harry is upset. Rather than try to stop the rumors, or offer Harry comfort and explain the situation to him he does...NOTHING?! THis is either neglecting his duties as Headmaster (something he has already done merely through the prescence of Severus Snape) or he is deliberately manipulating Harry (what I think). I mean, the guy is allowing one student to be singled out?

    2.) Harry is locked in his room. THe WEASLEY'S rescue him?!?!?! Albus has already admitted that he watches Harry (see previous post to see complete list). Anyway, the twins tell Molly "they were locking him up." What do they do? nothing. I am sure they notified Albus, and he did nothing anyway.

    3.) When ALbus is being led away he tells Harry "help will be offered to anyone who seeks it at Hogwarts." He is essentially giving Harry a license to do as he pleases.

    4.) Whomping Willow. ALbus acts like he would have legitimately expelled Harry, when he reality there was NO chance of him expelling Harry.


    There are more and better arguements for these, but I pretty tired. Didn't sleep much last night, but here it is. I may make it better later, or better yet, if someone can list others they can think of from this book.
     
  6. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    i think the simple fact that the man is always aware of what happens at that school, and despite that, he's almost always conviently indisposed of at the climax at the end..?

    SS, COS, POA (he suggests the time turner, yet does not go himself to make sure it goes right), GOF (gee he didn't bother securing Crouch worth a fuck and he got kissed, etc, etc) OOTP UMBRIDGE.


    He's either the stupidest fuck to ever fuckup, or he's a manipulative twit.
     
  7. Zevrillion

    Zevrillion Founder Retired Staff

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    No, No, I have the perfect explanation for our beloved headmaster. He is schizophrenic. We all know he is a whacko and this explains it. One of his personalities knows what is going on and the other or others don’t. The problem is that he doesn’t have any control over the other personalities and they sometimes emerge when Harry is in trouble.
     
  8. ChuckDaTruck

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    OH! How tragic.

    Now it all makes sense to me. That poor, poor man.
     
  9. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    this quote, from, http://www.redhen-publications.com/Dumbledore.html , describes where I'm taking MY headmaster, he's not hopelessly evil or manipulative to the extreme, just a borderline stupid man, with too much on his plate, who neglects major things to spread his small amount of time over the smaller problems he can easily fix.

    Yeah, he's still manipulative, because with that little time, he needs others to do his dirty work for him.
     
  10. Giovanni

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    I dunno. Personally I see him as the tiny asian guy in that one episode of the Simpsons where the Yakuza fight with Fat Tony's mob. He just stands there watching the fight, not really doing anything except some passive shit, then getting involved and kicking the shit out of everyone... Before getting his ass kicked.

    Or at least thats what he was trying to be.... Kinda backfired on him though.
     
  11. ChuckDaTruck

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    I see him as this guy who looks oiut for EVERYONE and tries to help EVERYONE do the "right thing" even if he has to steer them there himself. He has good intentions, but doesn't see the larger picture that not everyone can be saved (nor should they), you need to fight dirty, and sacrifices need to be made, and people need to choose their own path and not be guided by his all-knowing hand (pretty arrogant too). He ALWAYS assumes the best of people to the point of Naivety and foolishness. In fact, if he wasn't so powerful, he would be a rube.
     
  12. Western_Frontier

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    Then Dumbledore must be on drugs too. That might be the reason why he always eat those lemon drops and why he has abnormal sparkly eyes. Those lemon drops must be laced with potion that acts similar to speedballs. ‘Dumbledore the drug addict’, I like that title.
     
  13. Midknight

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    thats one thing that pisses me of about him, the godamned TWINKLE.

    HOW THE HELL DO YOU TWINKLE?!?! does the man have a godamned flash bulb in his eyes? No? then stfu about it, it's annoying damnit!
     
  14. Zevrillion

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    It even worse when Harry's eyes starts to twinkle too.
     
  15. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Yes, a ton of fics make it when he's stronger he started to do it to.

    I think I'll write a scene about that.

    Harry holding a butter knife

    "Twinkle ONE. MORE. GODAMNED. TIME... and i'll cut your bloody eyes out old man"
     
  16. Zevrillion

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    In walks Lord Voldemort and stares at them with blood red twinkling eyes. "My eyes twinkles more yours do. I am the greatest twinkling eyes master in the world." Ominous laughter.
     
  17. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Ya know, if JKR used Voldemort as more then a cheap ass way to end a book with a quick fight, I'd give a flying fuck about him.

    Sadly she doesn't use the man really at all, so I don't have feeling towards him =(
     
  18. ChuckDaTruck

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    Do you think the twinkling has any effect on people (magically) like hypnosis or inclined to trust or something?
     
  19. IndoGhost

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    how does a eye Twinkle anyway??
     
  20. ChuckDaTruck

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    You take a few drops of draino and clorox bleach, you dump a little into your eye, and VOILA! twinkling eyes.
     
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