well, in taking my life in my hands and re-reading HBP (im on holiday and severely board, so I can clam an insanity defence) i saw that when potter tries to wake up dumbles after going after the horcrux, he uses the spell reenervate, which didn't gel with my memory of the enervation charm, being enervate.

Anyone know anything about this?

 

He was being an idiot, maybe. Stress does that to people.

 

but apparently it worked, because dumbles woke up.

 

Ah-ha!

The final conspiracy in HBP has been revealed. The truth is, Dumbledore was killed by Voldemort's little Horcrux trap in the cave. The spell Harry used was in fact a re-animation spell for an inferi. Which means that when they got back to Hogwarts, Dumbledore was already dead and thus immune to the killing curse, and when he was lying at the foot of the tower he was just playing possum. It's all a huge plot by Dark Lord Potter to secretly build up his army of the undead in order to take over the world. In fact, all the rest of the Hogwarts staff have already been turned. Snape realised this and fled the castle, he's really one of the good guys.

Or maybe Rowling is just stupid.

 

:shock:erm....aye, sure, indeed, why don't you just take a little trip down to the neighbourhood assylum now, theres a good chap.

 

You know.. that would make a good plot twist for an AU, make Harry still pissed at Dumbles from OOTP, build it up more in AU-HBP, and then when they get in the cave, and discover the Horcrux is fake, Harry offs him.

 

I really like the idea.

 

That's an awesome idea! O_O

 

Can I just ask this group a question? Obviously I just did, but I digress Why do you all have in my opinion a extreme hate of dumbledore, I have read so many anti-dumbledore fics that i tend to read stories that show him in a good light nowadays . Yes he is manipulative but so are all parents, leaders etc... The only story that really captures dumbledore's character IMO is "Dakkath Prince of Darkness". I would love to read a Au of OotP where when dumbledore leaves the school harry joins him on the run and dumbledore teaches him the dark arts all while evading Voldie and fudge
Sorry for my rant you can delete it if you like but I just had to say it

 

if you don't hate dumbles, then i think you are probably on the wrong set of forums.

 

Personally, I love Dumbledore, a great character. Just because people write him manipulative doesn't mean they hate him e.g. IP82. Some authors just believe that Dumbledore has shown streaks of manipulation and have exaggerated this feature slightly (or majorly) in their fics. However I can't shy away from the fact that some do loathe him and it shows in their fics. My advice to you if you hate a character is not to write them. Kill them off or make them run away or something because it most probably will spoil your fic (hence why I almost never write Ginny).

The hatred for Dumbledore on dlp in general has fallen, I would say, after HBP. It's generally the blood-traitor brat now that everyone hates intensly.

As for the renervate thing, a mistake. It could be forgiven if it wasn't for the fact that it took SIX MONTHS to check everything over. There's no excuse for a mistake so obvious.

 

That's true, and basically what I do. I can't stand Ginny so I tossed her over in a corner and almost never include her in anything. I killed Malfoy on a whim and have pretty much ruined Snape. I don't try to feature any characters that I really abhor in my main story. Happy Red Prince has been a challenge, writing Draco in the best friend role while resisting the urge to bash or abuse him.

And by blood traitor brat I assume you mean Ginny. I always did like Dumbledore as a character, but even if I didn't I don't think I could find it in me to hate him after HBP.

 

I don't particularly have a hate for any character, what I do sometimes hate is the way that their written. I'm willing to have a go at writing any character, and only once I've tried to write them and I don't think I'm doing them justice will I'll move them to one side and place them away from the main plot. Dumbledore is used quite a bit in my fic and I believe he is well written. I think the key to writing Dumbledore is striking the right mix between manipulative and grandfatherly (for lack of a better word). One character I have found difficult to write is Luna, and whilst I know she has fans in the fandom (God I hate that word) I won't be using her so much in my story. Not because I don't like her character, but because I don't think I can do her character justice.

I think people tend to misjudge Dumbledore's character and make him too manipulative. That's not to say he doesn't have it in him to be manipulative and that I don't like a good manipulative Dumbledore story every now and again, though.

 

I beg to differ Sir, our fellow Dlp members have captured the true meaning of my ill thought statment. what I meant to say was I do not like stories that portray him as a obviously manipulative and heartless character. And if you dont think i belong here :roll: check my favorites

http://www.fanfiction.net/~DarkElvenMage1


http://www.fanfiction.net/~CaptainJackSparrow1

I believe i have just about every dark/ independent /evil hp/oc/odd paring there is
by the by your story is awesome

 

Wow, I can't believe I missed discussion on my favorite HP character!

So, here's the answer of the day folks, why don't I like Dumbledore in a completely good role (goody-good grandpa who wouldn't hurt a fly and who's working alongside with Harry etc...).

The reason is simple - It's because Voldemort is one of the worst bad guys in the history of fiction.

He's completely and irredeemably evil - there's no trace of changing mind or showing an ounce of charisma. Fighting him is like fighting the Devil himself, which is sooo boring - no gray shades, no hard decisions, no sympathy for the bad buys, no believable motivation, no inner struggles of any kind - it's just biblical absolute evil against the epitome of good (amazing pussy-boy and his kind-hearted grandpa).

Don't you people see how lame is that? Even some interesting death eaters (Lucius, Snape) can't improve this situation, since they usually have little free will of their own and are there only to execute their master's orders.

That's why I think every fic needs a third side, that would complicate the matters a little and add some shades of grey into the conflict. To put it simply, what HP needs is a character like Darth Vader in Star Wars - a guy who would mix elements of both dark/evil and light/good and create sort of a bridge between the two sides.

Yes, some will say that's Snape, but IMO, he's not powerful and charismatic enough to form his own side. Whatever the fan-girls of that actor guy say about him, the fact remains that he's just a greasy loner, brewing his little potions in a dusty basement and torturing schoolchildren in his free time - not exactly Don Juan kind of guy the bitches make him out to be.

JKR saw that too late and tried to add some more conflict with that new minister guy, Scrimgeour or something, but it was too late at that point - she should have done that in GOF (or had Crouch survive - his ministry could have been that third side).

So, since the Ministry is out now (and honestly, some Minister could hardly reach Dumbledore's and Riddle's caliber), the only remaining thing to do is to split the Order into two groups and make one of them into that third party.

And that puts Dumbledore and his group against Harry and several members of the Order that decided to support him against Dumbledore.

In all honestly, some authors manage to create that third antagonist without using Dumbledore - like Serra did with Malfoy Sr. in the Red Prince or jbern by improving Voldemort in his Harry/Susan story. But still, nothing beats Dumbledore who's only pretending to be a good old grandpa and actually is a scumbag or non-human or... anything but fucking Garry-Stu 100 years after.

In short - Dumbledore is just too fucking good character to waste him on being Harry’s mentor or sitting in his office doing nothing.

Manipulative!Dumbledore forever!

 

Stupid Question: Has there ever been a story that dumbledore openly uses dark magic against voldie and his crew not harry etc.. You know badass gandalf like dumbledore because contrary to what Mrs. Rowling wrote i pictured an earth shattering final battle between dumbledore and voldemort in which dumbles died in blazing glory..... not falling off of a tower like a bitch :!: Just like snape in my opinion she builds him up as a good guy in 1-5 then "BOOOOOOOOOOM" IM EVIL

wow i even ramble when i write
I respect your opinion
ip82

 

No, it's usually Harry who uses Dark Magic and Dumbledore who is against it.

Strangely, in these stories, Dumbledore is a bad guy (stealing money, lying, cheating etc...) but he uses light magic, while Harry is good and morally right but unscrupulous towards DE's.

When I said "need a character who is like Darth Vader", that could also mean Harry turning dark. But since he must turn against Dumbledore one way or the other (otherwise, they wouldn't be in different groups), most authors make Dumbles into a bad boy, so they could justify Harry fighting against him (most people don't like reading about main character who is evil or moraly wrong - if that's not the same thing...).

 

I dunno, it seems to be working okay for me. Though people do complain about Harry being an evil bastard...I just don't listen.